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> <channel><title>Comments on: 5 Reasons Why Biz Continues To Run Ancient Crappy PCs</title> <atom:link href="http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/</link> <description>Helping Normal People Get Their Geek On</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:13:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Sergio</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-36948</link> <dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:42:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-36948</guid> <description>MComputers at my workplace are fairly old and slow, however they seem to affect that much for the purposes we use them. But one thing that I saw is that other departments always get apgraded with the latest and greatest at least once every year whereas we&#039;ve been with the same old computers forever.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MComputers at my workplace are fairly old and slow, however they seem to affect that much for the purposes we use them. But one thing that I saw is that other departments always get apgraded with the latest and greatest at least once every year whereas we&#8217;ve been with the same old computers forever.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33654</link> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:59:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33654</guid> <description>I don&#039;t get what&#039;s with all the boss-hating.  Maybe my company&#039;s different, but my boss is incredibly competent and was promoted from within our group so he knows what everyone&#039;s dealing with.  And this is from someone at the very bottom of the ladder in engineering.  Our VP is technical enough to take a Master&#039;s level class in acoustics, and the President has a Bachelor&#039;s in EE and Master&#039;s in Mech E, or the other way around.  Not all bosses are lazy, incompetent jerks.  Maybe just most ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get what&#8217;s with all the boss-hating.  Maybe my company&#8217;s different, but my boss is incredibly competent and was promoted from within our group so he knows what everyone&#8217;s dealing with.  And this is from someone at the very bottom of the ladder in engineering.  Our VP is technical enough to take a Master&#8217;s level class in acoustics, and the President has a Bachelor&#8217;s in EE and Master&#8217;s in Mech E, or the other way around.  Not all bosses are lazy, incompetent jerks.  Maybe just most <img
src='http://pcmech.pcmediainc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich Menga</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33532</link> <dc:creator>Rich Menga</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:19:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33532</guid> <description>The easiest way to migrate to newer PCs while still keeping the old apps is to simply use emulation software. This was done in the early days to connect to mainframes using a terminal emulation software title called Reflections. The modern variant of this is called AttachMate: http://www.attachmate.comIf it&#039;s a Windows-based app that will not run in XP, Vista or 7, the solution is to simply server-farm it. This can be done the cheap way with VNC or the proper way with Citrix (their XenServer software is free.)And of course the best option is to get your apps delivered by the browser, even if intranet-based. If the end user PC has its primary apps delivered via the network in the form of an internet web-based app, the PC is essentially a dumb terminal - and that&#039;s good because it can be easily replaced if it breaks with minimal setup involved for the new box, should that occur.As far as the employee learning curve goes, there is no way to avoid it. However if there&#039;s one thing that&#039;s absolutely true, you will spend more by not upgrading sooner. Using dinosaur-era hardware and software is a short-term gain, long-term loss. Using modern software, hardware and peripherals is a short-term loss (setup, cost, etc.), long-term gain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easiest way to migrate to newer PCs while still keeping the old apps is to simply use emulation software. This was done in the early days to connect to mainframes using a terminal emulation software title called Reflections. The modern variant of this is called AttachMate: <a
href="http://www.attachmate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.attachmate.com</a></p><p>If it&#8217;s a Windows-based app that will not run in XP, Vista or 7, the solution is to simply server-farm it. This can be done the cheap way with VNC or the proper way with Citrix (their XenServer software is free.)</p><p>And of course the best option is to get your apps delivered by the browser, even if intranet-based. If the end user PC has its primary apps delivered via the network in the form of an internet web-based app, the PC is essentially a dumb terminal &#8211; and that&#8217;s good because it can be easily replaced if it breaks with minimal setup involved for the new box, should that occur.</p><p>As far as the employee learning curve goes, there is no way to avoid it. However if there&#8217;s one thing that&#8217;s absolutely true, you will spend more by not upgrading sooner. Using dinosaur-era hardware and software is a short-term gain, long-term loss. Using modern software, hardware and peripherals is a short-term loss (setup, cost, etc.), long-term gain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich Menga</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33531</link> <dc:creator>Rich Menga</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33531</guid> <description>I&#039;ve seen a few instances where employees that are absolutely sick of the old hardware decide to simply bring in their own. This is nothing but sad when this happens.The only sure-fire way that usually makes management move is if you specifically request new hardware for health reasons (as in you get headaches, hurt wrists, etc. from existing peripherals.) The reason it&#039;s sure-fire is because the company doesn&#039;t want to get sued for subjecting the employee to an unsafe environment.If you&#039;ve tried everything else to get your hardware refreshed with something built in the last DECADE but nothing has worked, citing health reasons usually will.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen a few instances where employees that are absolutely sick of the old hardware decide to simply bring in their own. This is nothing but sad when this happens.</p><p>The only sure-fire way that usually makes management move is if you specifically request new hardware for health reasons (as in you get headaches, hurt wrists, etc. from existing peripherals.) The reason it&#8217;s sure-fire is because the company doesn&#8217;t want to get sued for subjecting the employee to an unsafe environment.</p><p>If you&#8217;ve tried everything else to get your hardware refreshed with something built in the last DECADE but nothing has worked, citing health reasons usually will.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jase</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33497</link> <dc:creator>Jase</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:18:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33497</guid> <description>most organisations i know of, still use them simply because they still suit the needs they were originally intended to fill.although most are starting to upgrade - we&#039;re talking 25+ year old rigs in some cases! they&#039;re hanging onto the old ones in the event of equipment failure, so theyve got the old reliables ready to go if needbe.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most organisations i know of, still use them simply because they still suit the needs they were originally intended to fill.</p><p>although most are starting to upgrade &#8211; we&#8217;re talking 25+ year old rigs in some cases! they&#8217;re hanging onto the old ones in the event of equipment failure, so theyve got the old reliables ready to go if needbe.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Herbert Trayte</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33486</link> <dc:creator>Herbert Trayte</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:39:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33486</guid> <description>Add one more factor - Conversion Costs.  You allude to it in point 3. Even replacing one PC with the same OS creates conversion costs in migrating the apps and data to the new PC.  If it includes a new OS, another bag of conversion costs is opened. Compatibility of apps, the need to upgrade apps, training of users and support staff, compatibility of backup and historical data, etc.  In a large company, upgrading of an OS may require all PC&#039;s to be upgraded at the same time.  What about peripherals? Some of these may not work in the new OS and must be upgraded or replaced.  These conversion costs do not add to productivity or to company profits but are a cost of doing business that is avoided by management until it is necessary.The whole upgrade problem must be addressed sometime as equipment ages and wears out.  Our management recognizes this but in today&#039;s economics we cannot afford the change.  We have an ad hoc committee researching  the subject hoping to come up with a reasonable plan.  In the meantime, we replace old PC&#039;s with new or slightly used PC&#039;s that use our standard OS</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add one more factor &#8211; Conversion Costs.  You allude to it in point 3. Even replacing one PC with the same OS creates conversion costs in migrating the apps and data to the new PC.  If it includes a new OS, another bag of conversion costs is opened. Compatibility of apps, the need to upgrade apps, training of users and support staff, compatibility of backup and historical data, etc.  In a large company, upgrading of an OS may require all PC&#8217;s to be upgraded at the same time.  What about peripherals? Some of these may not work in the new OS and must be upgraded or replaced.  These conversion costs do not add to productivity or to company profits but are a cost of doing business that is avoided by management until it is necessary.</p><p>The whole upgrade problem must be addressed sometime as equipment ages and wears out.  Our management recognizes this but in today&#8217;s economics we cannot afford the change.  We have an ad hoc committee researching  the subject hoping to come up with a reasonable plan.  In the meantime, we replace old PC&#8217;s with new or slightly used PC&#8217;s that use our standard OS</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Larry Thompson</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33483</link> <dc:creator>Larry Thompson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33483</guid> <description>How appropriate I was just dealing with one this morning</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How appropriate I was just dealing with one this morning</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David K.</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33471</link> <dc:creator>David K.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33471</guid> <description>We have a slew of crappy Win2k computers.  I try my best not to give them to permanent employees.  Usually contractors end up using them...which is probably not real smart either, but at least opportunity for complaints decrease, ha ha.But your&#039;e right on.  And the in-office bickering is a real deal.  I&#039;ve never seen how fast grown ups can turn into 2 year olds than equipment upgrades.  At my last company when they started upgrading CRTs to LCDs, chaos ensued.  I didn&#039;t even care about upgrading, but had to because my CRT died, but man, the jealousy.  It got so bad that LCDs that were put into conference room were swiped within days.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a slew of crappy Win2k computers.  I try my best not to give them to permanent employees.  Usually contractors end up using them&#8230;which is probably not real smart either, but at least opportunity for complaints decrease, ha ha.</p><p>But your&#8217;e right on.  And the in-office bickering is a real deal.  I&#8217;ve never seen how fast grown ups can turn into 2 year olds than equipment upgrades.  At my last company when they started upgrading CRTs to LCDs, chaos ensued.  I didn&#8217;t even care about upgrading, but had to because my CRT died, but man, the jealousy.  It got so bad that LCDs that were put into conference room were swiped within days.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David M</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33463</link> <dc:creator>David M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33463</guid> <description>Rich, you really hit the nail on the head this time. :)My wife works for a CPA firm what has nothing but old crappy computers.  Her monitor used to be a blurry 17 inch monitor that gave her headaches because her eyes were always trying to focus while looking at it.  Keep in mind here that she has to look at IRS forms, Excel spreadsheets and other specialized accounting software all day long.So a few years ago, we both decided to upgrade our monitors at home to a couple of Dell 24 inch monitors.  We took the 21 LCD inch monitor that was being replaced and put it on her desk at work.  Boy, the you know what hit the fan.  She was not in trouble but it sure made her bosses look like cheapskates and made a few employees envious.  Nobody stopped her because everyone knew the firms monitor was crap. For her bosses to tell her she could not use her own monitor at work would have made them have looked bad.I think another reason businesses hold on to old computers is that that they fear changing anything that might disrupt productivity.  This comes from ignorance or even fear of computers.At the university I work for, they will not upgrade to Vista out of fear of having problems.  But then, they might have a legitimate point. :)As for my computer at work, I am stuck with an ancient Shuttle and a tiny LCD monitor.  Fortunately, all I ever use it for is emails and running Excel and Word.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, you really hit the nail on the head this time. <img
src='http://pcmech.pcmediainc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>My wife works for a CPA firm what has nothing but old crappy computers.  Her monitor used to be a blurry 17 inch monitor that gave her headaches because her eyes were always trying to focus while looking at it.  Keep in mind here that she has to look at IRS forms, Excel spreadsheets and other specialized accounting software all day long.</p><p>So a few years ago, we both decided to upgrade our monitors at home to a couple of Dell 24 inch monitors.  We took the 21 LCD inch monitor that was being replaced and put it on her desk at work.  Boy, the you know what hit the fan.  She was not in trouble but it sure made her bosses look like cheapskates and made a few employees envious.  Nobody stopped her because everyone knew the firms monitor was crap. For her bosses to tell her she could not use her own monitor at work would have made them have looked bad.</p><p>I think another reason businesses hold on to old computers is that that they fear changing anything that might disrupt productivity.  This comes from ignorance or even fear of computers.</p><p>At the university I work for, they will not upgrade to Vista out of fear of having problems.  But then, they might have a legitimate point. <img
src='http://pcmech.pcmediainc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>As for my computer at work, I am stuck with an ancient Shuttle and a tiny LCD monitor.  Fortunately, all I ever use it for is emails and running Excel and Word.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: eli</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/5-reasons-why-biz-continues-to-run-ancient-crappy-pcs/comment-page-1/#comment-33459</link> <dc:creator>eli</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:09:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=10423#comment-33459</guid> <description>Here at the public library some of our staff still have to use ancient crappy PCs. They have to wait minutes for booting up, and sometimes almost a minute or so for an app to open. They suffer through it admirably, and I don&#039;t hear too much complaining, not that there&#039;s anything I could do about it anyway. There won&#039;t be any money for new staff machines for a while.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here at the public library some of our staff still have to use ancient crappy PCs. They have to wait minutes for booting up, and sometimes almost a minute or so for an app to open. They suffer through it admirably, and I don&#8217;t hear too much complaining, not that there&#8217;s anything I could do about it anyway. There won&#8217;t be any money for new staff machines for a while.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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