Buyer Beware: Walmart Site to Store, An Open Letter

 I believe it is important for anyone who is considering using Wal-Mart’s new Site to Store service to read the letter I sent Wal-Mart Corporate early this morning regarding my family’s significant problems with their service over the past week.  Please read below.

 ”Wal-Mart Corporation:

My name is Tyler Thompson, a resident of Derby Kansas and a frequent customer of your stores.  As a profession, I am a web developer in Wichita and also the Editor-in-Chief of a popular technology website PCMech.com.  I am writing in utter disbelief of the events relating to your store, its customer service, and your new Site to Store service.  Over the past week, my family’s patience has been pushed beyond the limit by the sheer lack of competence shown by the Wal-Mart employees at your Derby location.

Please let me begin by describing the situation over the last week.  My mother and I had been looking for a game, Guitar Hero III for PlayStation 2 with a Guitar, for several days when I came across an available version at your online store.  Immediately, I sent the link to my mother who proceeded to place an order on Tuesday December 4, 2007 with shipping options set for your new Site to Store service.  The problems began here, as the credit card used for the transaction was declined three times by your online processing service and then was locked out by the same service for exceeding your overflow limit.  My mother tried again with a different credit card, which worked perfectly the first time.  It was not until later she realized that although your online processor had declined her first credit card, it had charged this card all three times for the amount of the order.  After calling customer service, this issue was resolved quickly.  Unfortunately, the problems did not end there, and they were relatively minor in comparison to what was to come.

On Saturday December 8, 2007, my mother received an email notification (the first sent by your service since the order) with the subject “Pickup Confirmation” – we believed this to be the notification promised as per your invoice’s instructions on how your Site to Store service worked, step one: “Wait for an email telling you your order is ready for pickup (7-10 days)” – however, the email did not mention anything about the order being ready for pickup.  In fact, it was worded as if the order had already been picked up.  Confused by the situation, I called the store to clarify whether this was the email notifying us the order was ready for pickup.

When I called, I immediately asked for a customer service representative, who I was readily transferred to.  I inquired about the email we received and was then put on hold for “someone who knew something about how it worked.”  After a few minutes, another person picks up the phone, and after again describing the situation to her, I was again told “I don’t know how that works, let me find someone who can help you.”  Finally, on the third try, I was handed off to someone from the back of the store who “knew what they were doing”.

This person was very responsive and positive to deal with, as she promptly looked up our order, first by last name.  She sounded frustrated when no results came back for an available pickup.  She then asked for a street address to check for.  Again, within seconds, she came back with a negative response about a pickup being ready.  The representative then asked for an order number to search.  I found the order number and read it to her over the phone, to a quick response of “Oh no.  It shows the order has already been picked up.  Are you sure you have not had anyone pick it up for you?”  My response was that no one had picked up the order and the situation was not good.  The representative looked up the order status further to find that there was a signature on file for the package.  As soon as this was discovered, I was transferred to a manager, where I let my mother take over the phone conversation because she had been the one to place the order.

After a few minutes on the phone, my mother was asked to come into the store to discuss the matter further.

She left at around 10 PM and went to management in your Derby location.  Obviously the signature was not a valid one for the package, and the situation began to escalate.  After an employee from the stocking area confronted my mother and told her, several times, that “She was not perfect,” my mother asked for her to get out of her face, to deal strictly with management, and to be issued a refund.  Three different managers refused to process the refund request, and at one point an employee told my mother “It would be extremely easy for anyone to just print off an order confirmation page and bring it in to the store for items such as that.”  This has two meanings, first of which alleging that my mother was defrauding the company, or that Wal-Mart’s security is not tight enough regarding its online order process.  After being refused the refund by the management, she requested to speak with corporate headquarters, which was originally denied, but upon further attempts was allowed in the store.

The lady who my mother dealt with at corporate was very accommodating and immediately told the manager in the store to process the refund and to apologize for the employee’s rudeness.  The refund was eventually processed and corporate issued a new order to be shipped to our house for free.

First of all, the most important implication of this event is security.  On the order confirmation page, step three, it says “Go to the Site to Store area at your store and present your printed email and a valid photo ID.”  And under that, in at least two different areas, it lists the “Pickup Person” as “Kim Thompson”.  If a photo ID is required, how did the box get signed for without an ID verifying the identity of the pickup person as “Kim Thompson”?  The answer to this question is probably pretty simple – an employee had to have falsified the signature (a state felony as defined by KS 21-3710) and then stolen the package my mother had paid for (a state misdemeanor or felony as defined by KS 21-3701).  Since the package could have crossed state lines, this action could also violate various Federal Interstate Commerce regulations.

Also, the implication that anyone could forge an email by your online store and come in to pick up the package is troubling.  Being a web developer, I deal with internet security and e-commerce on a daily basis.  As such, your website should have adequate protections built in to prevent such happenings.  Also, in order to forge the order confirmation, one must know the order number, time of order, pickup person name, and credit card information.  As this information was passed from your servers via Secured Sockets Layer communication, it would be impossible for an outside source to intercept the encrypted content and decrypt it for personal use.  Internet security is not a joke, especially for someone who works in the industry.

Secondly, the way your store handled the situation was dysfunctional at best.  From the very beginning, no one at the store seemed to know or understand how the Site to Store worked, and the way the management and employees communicated with my mother was offensive.  Customer service should be a priority, especially in situations where it is possible that an employee stole merchandise belonging to a customer.  My mother being told she was “not perfect” is extremely unprofessional and borderline on childish behavior.  This kind of behavior is sickening from a company of your size.

Thirdly, if this can happen in Derby Kansas without anyone catching on, in how many of your other stores is this lack of oversight causing problems?  How many other customers are going to be affected by similar incidents?  This needs to be taken care of immediately.

As I mentioned earlier, I am the Editor-in-Chief of a website called PCMech.com.  I am publishing this letter as an Open Letter on the website to warn our audience of the dysfunctional status of Site to Store, and also to hopefully make your company accountable for the actions of your employees.  This letter will be featured in a newsletter which is received in the inbox of over 25,000 people, and visible on the internet to our audience of over 15,000 per day.  As an open letter, your company is free to respond openly on the website as a comment.

In order to make sure this letter is acted on, I will be mailing this to your corporate headquarters and to the Manager of the Derby Wal-Mart.  To rectify this situation, we would like to receive a written apology from both the corporate office and the Derby Wal-Mart, as well as have action taken as necessary against the employees involved in this situation.  I am saddened that it has to be taken this far, but in light of the treatment we received; I feel the situation can not be ignored.

Thank you for your time.

Tyler Thompson”

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  • Danielle

    Hi there. I know this is kind of old. But i to have had problems with the site to store service. My husband and i ordered a baby swing for our new arrival. We have emailed the site and they wont respond and we have also talked to the employees at the local wal-mart. We cant get any help. We ordered this quite a while ago and now it says its been delayed in transit. It says that Processing would take up to 48 hours and it took our order more like 2 weeks then 2 days. So our baby is being born Wednesday and we still don’t have a swing. I will never use their service again.

  • ED

    Why is PCMECH still spending time and bandwidth on this problem? I repeat my comment of 12/10/07….
    “Your experience(s) are indeed unfortunate, your rant(s) do not belong in this newsletter”
    An open letter to the editors:
    Stay on subject!

  • hitchface

    Open letter to ED: The editors can write about anything they want.

  • ED

    Please, editors of PCMECH, give us the content that we visit your site for….tech and related….not rants about the shortcomings of WalMart!

  • jeff

    Oh god, please don’t let it happen to me as I have already ordered a product on walmart.com!

    I hope by now, my local Walmart knows how Site to Store operates.

  • richard s.

    I made the mistake of using the Site-to-Store feature. After three weeks the goods have yet to appear at the store and getting a refund is a complete runaround. (I am on hold as I type this.)

    I made the mistake of assuming Wal-Mart’s superior reputation with supply chain management would make the entire process efficient.

    I was wrong. I won’t make that mistake again and now have yet one more reason to avoid the world’s largest retailer.

  • brian

    same story here.. i ordered 4 storage ottomans on Aug 18th.. it took a week for them to just process the order, then another week to arrive at the “Sorting Facility” . They are now en route to the “Delivery Facility” wherever that is.. and I just checked the site, and its now updated with “Your Site to Store order has been delayed in transit”, which pushed back my delivery date to 9/9/08.

    This is a joke, and completely misleading information. Their site clearly states that the Site to Store shipping time is between 7-10 business days.

    Not a month.. will never use site to store shipping again.

  • Concerned

    Why wouldn’t you just buy the Guitar Hero III if you are a working man, don’t get your mommy to buy it for you!

  • Susan Davis

    I don’t have a website.

    I am on hold now with Walmart’s Site-to-Store people. I ordered a SET OF 6 weatherproof file boxes (very necessary for my purpose) and I paid nearly $100 for all six. Walmart saw this as a (1) item and sent only one box. They didn’t read the text of the product (set of six) and didn’t notice the $100 charge, far too much for one box.

    I was just told by one person who called from WM that I have to wait 2-3 weeks until WM revamps their warehouse before I can get the other five boxes. I asked to talk with management and she put me on hold, and I think I will be sitting here listening to Xmas music until Xmas.

  • Susan Davis

    I am still on hold with Wal-Mart’s .com (they explained that their management (in California) is different than the store chain’s management in Bentonville, Arkansas so I can’t complain to Bentonville). They don’t know when or if I will get the other five boxes, they will arrange to pick up the one I did get (I NEED it!) and will repay my credit card. I live 70 miles r/t from the nearest Walmart. Now they are looking for someone else to help me, so I am still on hold.

    She also said to NOT reorder as the same thing will happen, I will be shipped one box and not the other five.

    I told this woman (a support manager) that she should come to this website and READ what people are saying. She says she doesn’t respond to public input (company policy). I told her I have worked for Walmart, Sears, Fred Meyer and many other retailers in my 50 years of experience (I am also a retired business teacher!) and I have not seen this level of incompetency in a long time and if they want their site to store to be successful, they need to LISTEN to us! She said maybe I don’t want her help and she should cancel the order, I told her not to threaten me! She said she will personally try to locate where my one file box was sent from (hey, wouldn’t you expect their paperwork would show this??????) and will personally follow up with me.

    You can BET Bentonville will hear about this! Everyone, send your complaints to the top dog at Bentonville. If WALMART is going to have their name on the site to store website, then WALMART has got to show some responsibility!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Susan Davis

    Why did you remove my posts of November 1, 2008?

    I was able to reach someone at the Walmart Bentonville location yesterday. They ARE very interested in what is going on with Walmart.com. These are two distinctive branches of Walmart, but the main Walmart entity is still in control.

    Why remove my posts when you left the other ones on? I did give Walmart your website address so they could read the posts for themselves.

    Now mine is missing and I can’t reconstruct it. It was a good way for me to keep track of the progression of what I have been going through.

  • Tyler Thompson

    Susan,

    I am still able to see both of your posts on 11/1/2008, but this could be because I have administrative rights to the page. I will do some investigating and see what happened on the PCM side.

    It amazes me that after a year of launching the service, they still can’t get it right. I heard absolutely no response from the company, except for Marty above, regarding this issue. They did not care, simply put.

    If someone in Wal-Mart would like to respond, I would love for them to interact with the customers who have posted above, myself included, to discuss the issues. It is obvious that the problems I had were not isolated, which is why I wrote this editorial to begin with. I was worried people across the country would run into the same problem.

    In response to “Concerned” above, the gift was from my mother to my sister. I was helping to find the gift.

    Susan, if you would like to personally contact me, my email address is tyler@derbydigital.com

    Thank you.

    • Susan Davis

      My search for the other five or six archival boxes from Walmart.com has evolved.

      Walmart gave me a gift certificate that was for the amount to ship the remaining five boxes not with my original order delivered to the Walmart store.

      So yesterday I received a package right where I live! In it was yet one more archival box. Now I have two of the six!

      If I figure it right, Walmart owes me four more boxes. If it costs them approx. $20 for shipping each one to me (apparently separately since they don’t know how to bundle an order), then it will cost them $100 for gift certificates to cover shipping.

      Stay tuned!

  • R.Owens

    Boy! Am I glad I read all of these coments. I was just about to place an order. I think I’ll just save myself a headache.

  • http://popartdiva.com PopArtDiva

    Thank you so much for your letter, and thank god you know good SEO and popped up on the first page just below Walmart’s own site links on Google!

    I didn’t even finish your letter before I decided that Site to Store wasn’t getting my business.

    Good luck to you and all the others who are currently dealing with problems. Thanks to all of you I will not be having those same problems!

  • Sherry

    Very interesting and I’m sure it’s absolutely accurate.Iam a Walmart Associate. This happens all the time. The training that was given was very poor and frustrating. As a consumer the BS you went thru from the associates and managers is ridiculous. The fact that they sent you a letter explaining that it was actually two different companies, credits are difficult to process, bla..bla..bla is nice to know. However, you are the customer whatever difficulties they have is not your issue, it’s there’s to deal with….you sould get the credit and they can duke it out between the to two divisions. I find it amazing that they are concerned about taking a loss. I mean please….this company makes billions. As a footnote to this, they are not spending any of those billons on there employees. The training is a boring joke and when new items and new rollouts come thru there is a chance that the first shift {7-3)may have some idea what’s going on. The second shift (3-11) probably doesn’t know too much as they received it word of mouth from first shift ( who probably didn’t retain much of it} As for the third shift( 11-7) don’t even bother, as no one tells them anything. I was taught at an early age that if you chose to work in the retale inustry that you’d better accept that the customer is right period.And yes we do get alot of customers that actually are not right and rude and vulger. Well,too bad Associates…deal with it and let it go. Don’t take it out on the next customer. If you don’t like it LEAVE. Besides, anywhere else you go will pay you more,have better benefits and might treat you as an employee with respect..
    As an associate, I apologize that you had go thru the BS you did But, please be sure there really are alot of associates that do care and have the ability to understand and care aout our customers. You may ask why I stay, that is a personal issue.

    Thanks for your letter and taking the time to read mind.

    Sheree

    • Susan Davis

      Thanks, Sheree, for your support. I worked at Wal-Mart for two years part time, mostly as a cashier. I gave the same good customer service that I did when I worked at Fred Meyer, Sears, and many smaller retail jobs before I went to college and became a teacher (and took alot of abuse from my students!). I ended my career as office manager in Computing Services at Southern Oregon State College (now SOU).

      I finally got my box situation resolved. To recap: I got the first box at the store (should have been a set of six, having ordered one item with six in it–think six sausages in a package, you buy one package, right?). The second single box came to my home address and cost Wal-Mart $20 in shipping. The last four boxes from Wal-Mart (actually they re-sent six) came to my home in one big box with two lids broken (hard vinyl) and about six clips on the bottom–one had sneaked under the flap and got lost in shipment somewhere–(each box has four clips, two on each side), some clips broken.

      Meanwhile, the manufacturer, IRIS in Wisconsin, offered to send me another set of six from their plant to my home. I got those, too, and two clips had compromises.

      Further recap: I finally ended up with twelve boxes (my original wish but I couldn’ afford so many), Wal-Mart sent eight, two of which I couldn’t use for my project (archival storage), and IRIS sent six boxes. I was able to salvage enough clips to put on the dozen boxes and gave the two with broken lids and missing clips to my friend Matt who will use them to store small car (Corvair) parts!

      IRIS was very helpful and generous. They contacted Wal-Mart several times and I believe the way Wal-Mart had their computer system set up for this particular product did not indicate it was a set of six; that is why they were sending them out one at a time. Did someone not do their job?

      Please look for IRIS vinyl containers when you are shopping. I think they sell many online. They were very professional with me! I gave them some ideas on how to package their boxes. These are special boxes, thus they cost more.

  • Tina Armstrong

    wow that is awful to have to go through that. Luckily I have used the site to store feature many many times and have never had any problems. I used to work at walmart and I do know that the new site to store area that is used it what used to be the layaway department which means that if the store has a mcdonalds in it they have access to that area too (to get to the bathrooms) as well as all walmart employess (in all areas of the store). When I worked there merchandise from back there was always being stolen by other walmart employees. This sounds like what happened to you. An employes probably seen that you had what they wanted and “stole it” even though they are required to ask for Id when you go to pick it up. I know that they never ask for Id at my store so anyone can pick up your shipment easily.

  • Lois

    632 Grassfield Pkwy
    Chesapeake, VA 23322

    (757) 312-9468?

    I used the above Walmart Location (which is a fairly new store)for the site to store last Christmas and had no problems. They called me to tell me when it was there and put the bike together and even walked with me to my truck to help load it in for me. KUDOS TO WALMART. Just because one store has a problem, all of them don’t. It is like a nurse / doctor……one could be great and go above and beyond but others don’t.

  • Susan Davis

    Just to clarify–it was not my local WalMart store that was the problem. I had contact with them only once, and that was when I went to pick up my order after notified it was there. It was the distribution center that was the problem. There was nothing that the local store could do to help me at that point. I am hoping WalMart works on their distribution situation. They have too many people working on the same problem with none of them having the authority to solve the problem.

  • Joe

    I am going through this right now with Walmart site to store. I ordered an item, got an e-mail 48 hrs later and then waited for the order. Finally getting frustrated and checking online for a estamated delevery date it says that the item wont be arriving for another 7 days thats a total of 17 days from the day I ordered it. Then I get the song and dance about high volume and many orders being placed for site to store and I am thinking well if you can’t deliver in 7 to 10 days then dont say you can. I had several items that I was going to order this way that I have now decided to purchase from other sites and thats a shame because I dont know about some of you out there but from Where I stand Walmart is going to be losing alot of money from people that they are letting down, Regardless of if walmart.com and Walmart store are seperate they have the same name and most people will connect that as one in the same.And I still dont know if the item I ordered will be in on the target date.

  • GARY GRANT

    GOOD JOB,TYLER.IF THEY ARE NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE,THEY HAVE NO REASON TO CHANGE.{ AND PROBABLY WOULD NOT}

  • Shellie

    I just found this open letter to Walmart by mistake, I was actually trying to find out how many stores Walmart opened in 2008 (I heard on NPR, they are opening 40 in 2009, which is pretty incredible. I work in the retail industry as well, as we are only opening eleven store, so far, in 2009). In any case, this is really remarkable. I myself do not shop at Walmart, unless it is something I absolutely cannot find anywhere else. In this case, it was a radio/ipod player. I bought one for myself (ship to store ) and one for my daughter (that was sent to me at home). I had no issues, fortunately. But the closest Walmart to me is not that close so there is no reason for me to go there. I would rather go to the Target that is across the street. I do not agree with Walmart’s politics or treatment of their workers, so I would rather do my part and just not give them my money. But your story is horrific and just makes me not want to shop there at all!

  • Susan D

    I worked for Walmart for two years, mostly as a swing shift cashier. I had alot of problems with inflated egos among management, and I finally quit in protest. I was newly retired state employee, I did not have to work, I wanted to work part-time and was not interested in climbing any ladders. I had more retail and corporate experience by that time than all the mgmt in the store combined and then some. But they treated me like dirt alot. They asked me when I quit why and told me I didn’t have to. I said I have taken all I can. By the time I left, none of the several teams of mgrs were still there that I had worked under. In fact, the day I STARTED my job, they had a storewide meeting the minute I clocked in because both their manager and assistant manager had been fired. I remember thinking, uh oh, here we go again. That had happened to me on another job 20 years before! I shop at Walmart when I need to. They are 70 mi round trip from me, so I usually go to WM when I return home to my valley to visit a few times a year. For you young folks, hang onto your hats, we are in for a wild ride this next year and beyond economically. You are in for a huge shock. Give our president a chance, he is NOT the only one responsible for getting our country back on its feet! No one is going to hand you anything on a silver platter. Nothing. I already see major splits in our country, and I can assure you that if we don’t pull together and help each other, we will NOT have a US of America and sooner than you think. We have a global economy now, my English cousin and I talk about this (he is in England). We have got to work together, and that includes YOU! I raised a child, worked 30 hrs a week, and put myself (with help from Pell grant, work-study, loans, and four scholarships) through university. I know what belt-tightening is all about. As a senior I still have to do it. I have to budget every cent I spend. I have a small income, but I own my RV that I live in, my space rent in an RV park is minimal, and I enjoy living in one of the most beautiful coastal towns in Oregon (Bandon). But I have never been to Starbucks! Can’t afford it, consider that sort of thing a waste of money. Occasionally when I travel I stop at the kiosks for coffee, but I get the day’s special. Anyway, you are the steward of your future. Don’t know if the stimulus will work, we have never had to deal with this before, but if there is good oversight (like there was not for the TARP), it might work. For those congress persons who didn’t support it, their states can go without aid, IMO. Bye

  • Susan D

    PS–I am writing now as they announce the stimulus package was approved by both houses of Congress.

    • John

      Walmart rocks! Obama, Spendulus, and Unions suck!

  • Veronica

    I use to work at wal-mart. The Site to Store issue was an on going thing. They notified us as the did the consumer that layaway would be closing and this new “site to store” thing would be taking its place. That was about it. No real training on how it worked or the procedures. It just kind of happend. The confusion starts. The items are shipped in on the same truck as all of the other wal-mart merchandise. Things that are common Wal-mart items sometimes end up on the shelves and sold. It is horrible at times. The way this store handled it was very wrong! They should have went about this completely different, but as we all know with wal-mart that usually isn’t easy!

  • theresa

    Wow. Yes, like everyone else said, excelent letter. I read every single word and my eyes were big with disbelief. I just put in an order with Site to Store a week ago. My ipod and dvd player are at the store. Still waiting on my LCD tv. LOL i go to walmart online to track status about 10 times/day. Hope everything goes ok when i go to pick it up. I had my checks and debit card stolen in 2005. The thiefs went to wal-mart and had a good ole time. I went to management and they basically gave me the feeling of “so what do u want me to do about it?” The employee never asked for ID when MY debit card was swiped.

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