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> <channel><title>Comments on: Do You Still Need An Anti-Virus Client?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/</link> <description>Helping Normal People Get Their Geek On</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:29:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Jason Faulkner</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-44872</link> <dc:creator>Jason Faulkner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:53:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-44872</guid> <description>The whole point of this article was not to say AV is a waste of money, rather it is not a &quot;foolproof&quot; protection method.In your case, it sounds like you have people using the system which fall into &quot;I want to see this and will click anything it takes to get to it&quot; category, so the extra layer of protection is probably worth it.Not to mention, you can always fall back on the fact that you have AV installed. If you don&#039;t run AV then you might be &quot;perceived&quot; (by some) as not protecting the system.There is a reason there are 5,000 AV and clean-my-computer programs out there--- because people have been made to believe these are absolutely essential.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of this article was not to say AV is a waste of money, rather it is not a &#8220;foolproof&#8221; protection method.</p><p>In your case, it sounds like you have people using the system which fall into &#8220;I want to see this and will click anything it takes to get to it&#8221; category, so the extra layer of protection is probably worth it.</p><p>Not to mention, you can always fall back on the fact that you have AV installed. If you don&#8217;t run AV then you might be &#8220;perceived&#8221; (by some) as not protecting the system.</p><p>There is a reason there are 5,000 AV and clean-my-computer programs out there&#8212; because people have been made to believe these are absolutely essential.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew K</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-44869</link> <dc:creator>Andrew K</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-44869</guid> <description>My problem is the one caveat: you cannot protect people from themselves. We ran our system  virus and malware free for years.  Then facebook came along.  The boss clicked on a link, and boom, computer down. I decided that I can&#039;t come check every link someone wants to click on, so I upgraded our av protection to bitdefender&#039;s biz suite.  I sleep better now.
I am curious though to try your methods.  The only problem is, I can&#039;t control the other people who might use my machines (boss, coworker, wife, kids etc.).  In this case it seems an AV protections is necessary. Would you agree with that? Especially considering I just spent $700 for 3yrs worth of protection for our network.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem is the one caveat: you cannot protect people from themselves. We ran our system  virus and malware free for years.  Then facebook came along.  The boss clicked on a link, and boom, computer down. I decided that I can&#8217;t come check every link someone wants to click on, so I upgraded our av protection to bitdefender&#8217;s biz suite.  I sleep better now.<br
/> I am curious though to try your methods.  The only problem is, I can&#8217;t control the other people who might use my machines (boss, coworker, wife, kids etc.).  In this case it seems an AV protections is necessary. Would you agree with that? Especially considering I just spent $700 for 3yrs worth of protection for our network.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: How Effective Is Your Anti-Virus Program? &#124; PCMech</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-44647</link> <dc:creator>How Effective Is Your Anti-Virus Program? &#124; PCMech</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 10:00:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-44647</guid> <description>[...] many readers may know, I am not a big believer in anti-virus programs as an essential program for computer protection, however I ultimately had to cave due to customer [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] many readers may know, I am not a big believer in anti-virus programs as an essential program for computer protection, however I ultimately had to cave due to customer [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Friday Only: WinPatrol Plus Is Only 99 Cents &#124; PCMech</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-38100</link> <dc:creator>Friday Only: WinPatrol Plus Is Only 99 Cents &#124; PCMech</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:33:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-38100</guid> <description>[...] many of you know, I did not run anti-virus programs on my machine for over a year (now AV is required by some of my customer&#8217;s VPN policies). The [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] many of you know, I did not run anti-virus programs on my machine for over a year (now AV is required by some of my customer&#8217;s VPN policies). The [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Question for PC experts</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-29025</link> <dc:creator>Question for PC experts</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:47:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-29025</guid> <description>[...] the latter case. Here&#039;s a good page with advice on how to avoid getting malware in the first place: Do You Still Need An Anti-Virus Client? &#124; PCMech. I don&#039;t use an anti-virus, but I&#039;d recommend for less knowledgeable people to use a free one as a [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the latter case. Here&#8217;s a good page with advice on how to avoid getting malware in the first place: Do You Still Need An Anti-Virus Client? | PCMech. I don&#8217;t use an anti-virus, but I&#8217;d recommend for less knowledgeable people to use a free one as a [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew Henson</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-28975</link> <dc:creator>Matthew Henson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:25:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-28975</guid> <description>Ok, I normally don&#039;t respond to these, but you all seem to have missed the obvious.  I am a builder / repair shop and so constantly have many users with virus problems.  I do NOT use antivirus software installed on my personal machines.  I mostly do as he describes above.  However I have a dedicated AV machine that runs Linux, Windows XP, Windows 7 and Mac OS.  I do regular scans of my personal systems drives using that dedicated machine and/or if I notice something that doesn&#039;t seem right I run a scan.  So in the end I have personal systems that don&#039;t have AV installed and run fast.  On a regular basis I scan those drives using multiple flavors of AV software running on a separate machine.  This still isn&#039;t perfect and I have had to deal with a couple very frustrating root kits.  However I am certain my machines are better protected than the vast majority.  Also you left out a VERY big point of detection on machines not running AV.  You need a smart firewall/packet sniffer so you can monitor your network connections.  The sneakiest malware in the world still wants to phone home.  If you monitor your packet traffic it is MUCH easier to recognize an infection.  In the case of some of the advanced rootkits it is the ONLY way you are going to detect that you have become infected.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I normally don&#8217;t respond to these, but you all seem to have missed the obvious.  I am a builder / repair shop and so constantly have many users with virus problems.  I do NOT use antivirus software installed on my personal machines.  I mostly do as he describes above.  However I have a dedicated AV machine that runs Linux, Windows XP, Windows 7 and Mac OS.  I do regular scans of my personal systems drives using that dedicated machine and/or if I notice something that doesn&#8217;t seem right I run a scan.  So in the end I have personal systems that don&#8217;t have AV installed and run fast.  On a regular basis I scan those drives using multiple flavors of AV software running on a separate machine.  This still isn&#8217;t perfect and I have had to deal with a couple very frustrating root kits.  However I am certain my machines are better protected than the vast majority.  Also you left out a VERY big point of detection on machines not running AV.  You need a smart firewall/packet sniffer so you can monitor your network connections.  The sneakiest malware in the world still wants to phone home.  If you monitor your packet traffic it is MUCH easier to recognize an infection.  In the case of some of the advanced rootkits it is the ONLY way you are going to detect that you have become infected.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SAP</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-28926</link> <dc:creator>SAP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:18:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-28926</guid> <description>An AV solution is still useful for checking external files; maybe one can live without an AV running automatically, but surely there are occasions when you want to check a specific file?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An AV solution is still useful for checking external files; maybe one can live without an AV running automatically, but surely there are occasions when you want to check a specific file?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Soldier1st</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-23713</link> <dc:creator>Soldier1st</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:51:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-23713</guid> <description>The Op is simply showing his opinions about how he handles stuff, you don&#039;t need to take the advice if you don&#039;t want to but if you thats your choice but if not then thats ok too. Seatbelts are a must and should always be used. would you want to happen?your computer to go off for a bit or would you rather be killed?i would prefer the PC going down rather than being killed,a PC can be replaced but a Person can not.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Op is simply showing his opinions about how he handles stuff, you don&#8217;t need to take the advice if you don&#8217;t want to but if you thats your choice but if not then thats ok too. Seatbelts are a must and should always be used. would you want to happen?your computer to go off for a bit or would you rather be killed?i would prefer the PC going down rather than being killed,a PC can be replaced but a Person can not.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason Faulkner</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-23454</link> <dc:creator>Jason Faulkner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:19:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-23454</guid> <description>Thanks for the well thought out reply. To address a few of your comments/questions:&quot;with one Anti-virus and one firewall and for six years no serious infections&quot;
Note that despite having AV on your system, you still get infections. The problem is the buck stops with the user and if everyone is an Admin, no matter how &quot;secure&quot; your system is one inadvertent or ill-advised click and your security is completely compromised.As for the 90 second boot time. I had AVG 8 on the system and took roughly 1 minute on every boot-up (I shut my computer down at night) for AVG to contact the update server, install the update, initialize, etc. During this time, my CPU hovered around 75-100% usage which made the system crawl.As for this article being an excuse for people to blindly uninstall AV without any consideration. For people that fit in this category, I have some snake oil medicine I would like to sell them. Seriously though, this just proves my point that no matter what you do, you cannot protect people from themselves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the well thought out reply. To address a few of your comments/questions:</p><p>&#8220;with one Anti-virus and one firewall and for six years no serious infections&#8221;<br
/> Note that despite having AV on your system, you still get infections. The problem is the buck stops with the user and if everyone is an Admin, no matter how &#8220;secure&#8221; your system is one inadvertent or ill-advised click and your security is completely compromised.</p><p>As for the 90 second boot time. I had AVG 8 on the system and took roughly 1 minute on every boot-up (I shut my computer down at night) for AVG to contact the update server, install the update, initialize, etc. During this time, my CPU hovered around 75-100% usage which made the system crawl.</p><p>As for this article being an excuse for people to blindly uninstall AV without any consideration. For people that fit in this category, I have some snake oil medicine I would like to sell them. Seriously though, this just proves my point that no matter what you do, you cannot protect people from themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Oldkid</title><link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/do-you-still-need-an-anti-virus-client/comment-page-1/#comment-23345</link> <dc:creator>Oldkid</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:55:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.pcmech.com/?p=9305#comment-23345</guid> <description>I have to agree with Sharon, a lot of people will ignore any statements like &quot;this is not for everybody&quot;.  Computer usage conditions people to instant gratification even more than what might be natural to their personality.  So many will sacrifice speed over security, especially if given justification by an article like this.  That&#039;s why I don&#039;t recommend to anyone that they should run without an AV or even imply it in a public venue.Because I do think there are situations where some can get by without an Antivirus.  But only for those whose behavior doesn&#039;t lead them to be infected.  For example a computer that is dedicated to gaming or where the internet is only used to surf to certain sites, but as you yourself say, common sense, and I will add safe surfing habits that are learned with the help of common sense, is the biggest factor--so I&#039;m a bit distressed to see it at the end of the list.  I&#039;m not sure there aren&#039;t some &quot;gotchas&quot; with running as limited user, so think you are overemphasizing this.  For one thing, if you have the right to Run as Administrator to install software, what is to prevent malware from running a script that does the same?  Not sure if that&#039;s possible, but even so, there are situations using XP where running restricted can cause problems.  When there are multiple users, such as on my machine, one account running restricted slows things down as some programs that install globally and need Admin rights, throw up errors.Four users on this system, all Administrators now, with one Anti-virus and one firewall and for six years no serious infections.  I have seen a lot of people that overload their systems with security apps--I don&#039;t have any anti-spyware/malware guards or monitors and think they aren&#039;t needed if your surfing habits are good.  I try to run lean and mean, so agree that a lot of security apps can be eliminated to improve performance.  But I won&#039;t sacrifice an AV lest Murphy&#039;s law catches me with my pants down.What AV are you using that takes 90 seconds to startup?  I also have an old system with the same processor as yours, less than a Gig of RAM, and it takes me 40 seconds to get to the logon screen from a cold start and about 20 seconds to load autostart programs after login (but I have more than just an AV loading and could reduce this if I wanted).  I use Antivir, which has a very light footprint.Security is a matter of risk reduction.  Not using an AV increases your risk at the expense of saving some time and not worth it in my opinion.  Even if the times savings are significant as you&#039;ve demonstrated, a good multitasker will find a good use for that time.  People who get infected and thus allow it to spread to others usually (not always, usually) don&#039;t have enough common sense to discern that your advice is not suited to them and will use it as an excuse--all they care about is increasing performance and saving time and continuing with their bad habit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Sharon, a lot of people will ignore any statements like &#8220;this is not for everybody&#8221;.  Computer usage conditions people to instant gratification even more than what might be natural to their personality.  So many will sacrifice speed over security, especially if given justification by an article like this.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t recommend to anyone that they should run without an AV or even imply it in a public venue.</p><p>Because I do think there are situations where some can get by without an Antivirus.  But only for those whose behavior doesn&#8217;t lead them to be infected.  For example a computer that is dedicated to gaming or where the internet is only used to surf to certain sites, but as you yourself say, common sense, and I will add safe surfing habits that are learned with the help of common sense, is the biggest factor&#8211;so I&#8217;m a bit distressed to see it at the end of the list.  I&#8217;m not sure there aren&#8217;t some &#8220;gotchas&#8221; with running as limited user, so think you are overemphasizing this.  For one thing, if you have the right to Run as Administrator to install software, what is to prevent malware from running a script that does the same?  Not sure if that&#8217;s possible, but even so, there are situations using XP where running restricted can cause problems.  When there are multiple users, such as on my machine, one account running restricted slows things down as some programs that install globally and need Admin rights, throw up errors.</p><p>Four users on this system, all Administrators now, with one Anti-virus and one firewall and for six years no serious infections.  I have seen a lot of people that overload their systems with security apps&#8211;I don&#8217;t have any anti-spyware/malware guards or monitors and think they aren&#8217;t needed if your surfing habits are good.  I try to run lean and mean, so agree that a lot of security apps can be eliminated to improve performance.  But I won&#8217;t sacrifice an AV lest Murphy&#8217;s law catches me with my pants down.</p><p>What AV are you using that takes 90 seconds to startup?  I also have an old system with the same processor as yours, less than a Gig of RAM, and it takes me 40 seconds to get to the logon screen from a cold start and about 20 seconds to load autostart programs after login (but I have more than just an AV loading and could reduce this if I wanted).  I use Antivir, which has a very light footprint.</p><p>Security is a matter of risk reduction.  Not using an AV increases your risk at the expense of saving some time and not worth it in my opinion.  Even if the times savings are significant as you&#8217;ve demonstrated, a good multitasker will find a good use for that time.  People who get infected and thus allow it to spread to others usually (not always, usually) don&#8217;t have enough common sense to discern that your advice is not suited to them and will use it as an excuse&#8211;all they care about is increasing performance and saving time and continuing with their bad habit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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