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		<title>By: franz</title>
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		<dc:creator>franz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and by using hotmail/livemail you can access several services of of live like live spaces (kinda social networking), onecare(free anti virus online scan) sky drive (online hardisk) for sharing files, and it seems that you have your own page in it also with your email add you can sign in to thier Microsoft Office Live Small Business witch u can have your ownFREE websites with your own domain name and you can have a company email cool is in it? and with your account you can access to thier events (here it the philippines). and there is more... try it expirience it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and by using hotmail/livemail you can access several services of of live like live spaces (kinda social networking), onecare(free anti virus online scan) sky drive (online hardisk) for sharing files, and it seems that you have your own page in it also with your email add you can sign in to thier Microsoft Office Live Small Business witch u can have your ownFREE websites with your own domain name and you can have a company email cool is in it? and with your account you can access to thier events (here it the philippines). and there is more&#8230; try it expirience it</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I hardly get any in my inbox and if I report it as spam, it won&#039;t show up again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I hardly get any in my inbox and if I report it as spam, it won&#8217;t show up again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite disagree with your statement about losing some functionality from using Gmail with a mail client.  My mail client gives me things that Gmail does not have or won&#039;t have.  For example, in the web interface of Gmail, I can see multiple images but I need to either open a window or a tab for each one to see the picture individually.  However, with my mail client, if there is more than one image, I can view it as a slideshow.  In addition to viewing multiple images in a slideshow, if there were any date or times important to me, then I could have that in a calendar on my computer.  Not only that, but if there was an address in the Email, I could have a map from Google brought up (you can&#039;t do this in the Gmail web interface).  If somebody were to send me a video, I could open it w/o having the proper application to view it (with proper codecs of course) (Gmail makes you download the video, if you use the web interface).  As for those of you that think it is bad to defend a product (like Mac users do), why do Windows users do the same thing?  That is called being a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite disagree with your statement about losing some functionality from using Gmail with a mail client.  My mail client gives me things that Gmail does not have or won&#8217;t have.  For example, in the web interface of Gmail, I can see multiple images but I need to either open a window or a tab for each one to see the picture individually.  However, with my mail client, if there is more than one image, I can view it as a slideshow.  In addition to viewing multiple images in a slideshow, if there were any date or times important to me, then I could have that in a calendar on my computer.  Not only that, but if there was an address in the Email, I could have a map from Google brought up (you can&#8217;t do this in the Gmail web interface).  If somebody were to send me a video, I could open it w/o having the proper application to view it (with proper codecs of course) (Gmail makes you download the video, if you use the web interface).  As for those of you that think it is bad to defend a product (like Mac users do), why do Windows users do the same thing?  That is called being a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everyone wanting to use Outlook 2007/Hotmail together:
Go to Google. Type in &quot;Outlook Connector&quot;
It&#039;s a plugin (yes Rich, we hate them, I&#039;m with you on that!) for Outlook 2007 to sync/connect via HTTP connection to the @hotmail.com or @live.com domains.
When I used to use it it was a bit buggy and while it did work, I didn&#039;t feel as though it was as efficient or fast the Windows Live Mail client was.
But yes, it does work and the option to sync the two together is possible.. It has been for some time now.

NOTE:
You must have a validated copy of both Windows AND MS Office 2007 so for anyone into warez/releases from the scene etc. who bypass the WGA and OGA protection so they get full functionality without the validation, forget about it - it won&#039;t work.

So in a nutshell:
YES - You can sync your Outlook 2007 via HTTP with your free Hotmail/Live account.
YES - it works. Granted, not as well as the Windows Live Mail client in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone wanting to use Outlook 2007/Hotmail together:<br />
Go to Google. Type in &#8220;Outlook Connector&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s a plugin (yes Rich, we hate them, I&#8217;m with you on that!) for Outlook 2007 to sync/connect via HTTP connection to the @hotmail.com or @live.com domains.<br />
When I used to use it it was a bit buggy and while it did work, I didn&#8217;t feel as though it was as efficient or fast the Windows Live Mail client was.<br />
But yes, it does work and the option to sync the two together is possible.. It has been for some time now.</p>
<p>NOTE:<br />
You must have a validated copy of both Windows AND MS Office 2007 so for anyone into warez/releases from the scene etc. who bypass the WGA and OGA protection so they get full functionality without the validation, forget about it &#8211; it won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>So in a nutshell:<br />
YES &#8211; You can sync your Outlook 2007 via HTTP with your free Hotmail/Live account.<br />
YES &#8211; it works. Granted, not as well as the Windows Live Mail client in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Menga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Menga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only will Outlook fanatics not use anything other than Outlook, they won&#039;t even think about it. When they say &quot;My life is in there&quot;, they&#039;re dead serious. Doesn&#039;t just count for the Bay area either, it&#039;s for anyone who uses it all the time.

I don&#039;t put Outlook in the same arena as Hotmail because they serve different purposes. And I absolutely could not convince a dedicated Outlook user to switch.. to anything. No way, no how. I would lose and lose huge. I might get *some* leeway with Yahoo Mail because it syncs to Outlook easily, but they still wouldn&#039;t switch.

You&#039;re correct, Google only cares about how its mail works in the browser and nowhere else. That&#039;s their m.o., as in to do everything inside (internet) and not out (client).

Concerning the spam, part of the reason Hotmail attracts more spam (and yes that&#039;s true - I don&#039;t deny that) is because it&#039;s been around longer than Gmail. However both Hotmail and Gmail require &quot;training&quot;. You will get false positives with both that you have to de-spam. Put heavy use into the contact list, train for a while and either will &quot;learn&quot; what is and isn&#039;t spam quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only will Outlook fanatics not use anything other than Outlook, they won&#8217;t even think about it. When they say &#8220;My life is in there&#8221;, they&#8217;re dead serious. Doesn&#8217;t just count for the Bay area either, it&#8217;s for anyone who uses it all the time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t put Outlook in the same arena as Hotmail because they serve different purposes. And I absolutely could not convince a dedicated Outlook user to switch.. to anything. No way, no how. I would lose and lose huge. I might get *some* leeway with Yahoo Mail because it syncs to Outlook easily, but they still wouldn&#8217;t switch.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct, Google only cares about how its mail works in the browser and nowhere else. That&#8217;s their m.o., as in to do everything inside (internet) and not out (client).</p>
<p>Concerning the spam, part of the reason Hotmail attracts more spam (and yes that&#8217;s true &#8211; I don&#8217;t deny that) is because it&#8217;s been around longer than Gmail. However both Hotmail and Gmail require &#8220;training&#8221;. You will get false positives with both that you have to de-spam. Put heavy use into the contact list, train for a while and either will &#8220;learn&#8221; what is and isn&#8217;t spam quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree that Outlook is overkill for most users. However speaking as a small business tech in the Bay area, it is very hard to get my clients to use anything besides Outlook for their mail clients. Its not because they use every bit of it, but more that it is what they are use to using. So while I have tried (and failed) to get my clients to try out T-Bird they&#039;re in the end going to stick with Outlook. 

This causes a large problem for your argument that live mail is better then Gmail. Everything syncs properly though Imap and the new google calander sync all thats missing now is a Google made contact sync. And best of all (for them) they get to keep using Outlook. 

In truth I dont think Google care one way or another how well the sync works with any of the clients out there. This is all a stop gap while they work towards getting Google Gears  related online/offline products ready for the masses. When that time comes I am almost positive we will see a change in the ascetics of the Google interface as well. 

One more thing. While this is really just a guess, I believe that hotmail/live accounts do lead to more spam. But I believe this is more to do with a use having the account linked to .net and using Internet Explorer. I have never really done the research to validate any of this. It is solely based on experience. I will explain further is you do not already know what I am speaking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that Outlook is overkill for most users. However speaking as a small business tech in the Bay area, it is very hard to get my clients to use anything besides Outlook for their mail clients. Its not because they use every bit of it, but more that it is what they are use to using. So while I have tried (and failed) to get my clients to try out T-Bird they&#8217;re in the end going to stick with Outlook. </p>
<p>This causes a large problem for your argument that live mail is better then Gmail. Everything syncs properly though Imap and the new google calander sync all thats missing now is a Google made contact sync. And best of all (for them) they get to keep using Outlook. </p>
<p>In truth I dont think Google care one way or another how well the sync works with any of the clients out there. This is all a stop gap while they work towards getting Google Gears  related online/offline products ready for the masses. When that time comes I am almost positive we will see a change in the ascetics of the Google interface as well. </p>
<p>One more thing. While this is really just a guess, I believe that hotmail/live accounts do lead to more spam. But I believe this is more to do with a use having the account linked to .net and using Internet Explorer. I have never really done the research to validate any of this. It is solely based on experience. I will explain further is you do not already know what I am speaking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Menga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Menga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly because &quot;fail&quot; is a real word. Netspeak is anything that is a made-up word from the online world - but your point is valid.

And no I did not read his 2nd paragraph. Still haven&#039;t. And won&#039;t.

OL 2007 doesn&#039;t emcompass the whole Windows Live thing for whatever reason. It seems to be purposely separated from it by design with no way to connect to mail via the HTTP protocol (i.e. Hotmail).

Even though that&#039;s true, the first rule to using Outlook is to not see it as a mail client because it does ten times more than just mail. This is the reason I don&#039;t use it. Having it just for mail and nothing else is a bit of a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly because &#8220;fail&#8221; is a real word. Netspeak is anything that is a made-up word from the online world &#8211; but your point is valid.</p>
<p>And no I did not read his 2nd paragraph. Still haven&#8217;t. And won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>OL 2007 doesn&#8217;t emcompass the whole Windows Live thing for whatever reason. It seems to be purposely separated from it by design with no way to connect to mail via the HTTP protocol (i.e. Hotmail).</p>
<p>Even though that&#8217;s true, the first rule to using Outlook is to not see it as a mail client because it does ten times more than just mail. This is the reason I don&#8217;t use it. Having it just for mail and nothing else is a bit of a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rich Menga reply on June 3, 2008 10:25 am:
“OMG” = netspeak = fail, and it’s not PCM (that means Pulse Code Modulation), it’s PCMech - fail again.&quot;

Correct me if Im wrong but wouldn&#039;t &quot;fail&quot; standing on its own  be considered &quot;netspeak&quot; now. A bit of pot calling the kettle black I believe. Also this is far and away a better example of an attack then any of the above posts by Craig. Also I do believe you read his second paragraph, but had no real retort prepared so you came with a second attack on poor Craig.

But hay, whatever. Lets get on with getting on.  

Also why has no one responded to my first post with regards to free hotmail not working with Outlook 2007?

ps. I just noticed that the two of you are Tampons, like myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rich Menga reply on June 3, 2008 10:25 am:<br />
“OMG” = netspeak = fail, and it’s not PCM (that means Pulse Code Modulation), it’s PCMech &#8211; fail again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct me if Im wrong but wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;fail&#8221; standing on its own  be considered &#8220;netspeak&#8221; now. A bit of pot calling the kettle black I believe. Also this is far and away a better example of an attack then any of the above posts by Craig. Also I do believe you read his second paragraph, but had no real retort prepared so you came with a second attack on poor Craig.</p>
<p>But hay, whatever. Lets get on with getting on.  </p>
<p>Also why has no one responded to my first post with regards to free hotmail not working with Outlook 2007?</p>
<p>ps. I just noticed that the two of you are Tampons, like myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Sizemore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Sizemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in this world do you set your Hotmail account up with Live.com Mail? I can Receive Mail, but for some oddity can not send it??

And How do I get my SIGN IN PAGE of XP Back? 

One More, My DVR, CD Drives are not working, How do I fix it?

I&#039;ve Emailed my Brains out, my fingers off To Dell, and to Microsoft. Can&#039;t find anyone who KNOWS ENGLISH..........They use all this fancy wording, and I have NO CLUE as to what they are refering to? So If you can Please help me I would Greatly Appreciate it!! You&#039;ll be in my Prayers until I Die!!
Sincerely,
Kelly S. Sizemore.
KPockets8761@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in this world do you set your Hotmail account up with Live.com Mail? I can Receive Mail, but for some oddity can not send it??</p>
<p>And How do I get my SIGN IN PAGE of XP Back? </p>
<p>One More, My DVR, CD Drives are not working, How do I fix it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve Emailed my Brains out, my fingers off To Dell, and to Microsoft. Can&#8217;t find anyone who KNOWS ENGLISH&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.They use all this fancy wording, and I have NO CLUE as to what they are refering to? So If you can Please help me I would Greatly Appreciate it!! You&#8217;ll be in my Prayers until I Die!!<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Kelly S. Sizemore.<br />
<a href="mailto:KPockets8761@hotmail.com">KPockets8761@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh David, perspective, perspective, perspective.  It&#039;s all about perspective.  In a working relationship of course you&#039;ll see that Rich doesn&#039;t have a Rich-is-Right attitude.  My relationship with Craig goes way back...so of course I see his responses in that light.

It&#039;s not just this post that makes me thing that Rich&#039;s &#039;style&#039; is a detriment - I&#039;ve read plenty of his posts on this site and have generally come away with a feeling that someone didn&#039;t do all their research (remember...I&#039;m a researcher) yet has an attitude that not only is he right, but that there is no other opinion.  Believe me, I run into that all the time in academia - it&#039;s something I have a difficult time dealing with but I have to accept it.  So after reading paper after paper with that same attitude, it&#039;s pretty easy for me to call a duck, a duck.

But this is taking the topic completely off topic - which is not the point of a blog.  But I can assure you, if Craig of all people gets tired of attitude (he can take it as well as give it) others have.  Yes it&#039;s a blog, but it&#039;s also a place where people come for help.  To respond to someone with &#039;Only fanboys type “Windoze”. Fail. Get a clue&#039; (one example of many) is, IMO, very put-offish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh David, perspective, perspective, perspective.  It&#8217;s all about perspective.  In a working relationship of course you&#8217;ll see that Rich doesn&#8217;t have a Rich-is-Right attitude.  My relationship with Craig goes way back&#8230;so of course I see his responses in that light.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just this post that makes me thing that Rich&#8217;s &#8217;style&#8217; is a detriment &#8211; I&#8217;ve read plenty of his posts on this site and have generally come away with a feeling that someone didn&#8217;t do all their research (remember&#8230;I&#8217;m a researcher) yet has an attitude that not only is he right, but that there is no other opinion.  Believe me, I run into that all the time in academia &#8211; it&#8217;s something I have a difficult time dealing with but I have to accept it.  So after reading paper after paper with that same attitude, it&#8217;s pretty easy for me to call a duck, a duck.</p>
<p>But this is taking the topic completely off topic &#8211; which is not the point of a blog.  But I can assure you, if Craig of all people gets tired of attitude (he can take it as well as give it) others have.  Yes it&#8217;s a blog, but it&#8217;s also a place where people come for help.  To respond to someone with &#8216;Only fanboys type “Windoze”. Fail. Get a clue&#8217; (one example of many) is, IMO, very put-offish.</p>
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