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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/linus-torvalds-mac-os-x-is-utter-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-35022</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone stated the point of an os is to run applications and mac does that compared to linux. Mac looses to windows which more than thousands times the applications than mac. Macs are ok i don&#039;t like them because i dont get to use them that much and are not accustomed. Though many people use Apple because it is hip. No other reason. I have many examples from mac to ipod. To summerize.
apple king of marketing and being hip.
Windows king applications and strong focus of backwards compatibility.
all things linux(as well as distros) king of being free and only free with many flavors.

All succeed and fail because of there strongest points I feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone stated the point of an os is to run applications and mac does that compared to linux. Mac looses to windows which more than thousands times the applications than mac. Macs are ok i don&#8217;t like them because i dont get to use them that much and are not accustomed. Though many people use Apple because it is hip. No other reason. I have many examples from mac to ipod. To summerize.<br />
apple king of marketing and being hip.<br />
Windows king applications and strong focus of backwards compatibility.<br />
all things linux(as well as distros) king of being free and only free with many flavors.</p>
<p>All succeed and fail because of there strongest points I feel.</p>
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		<title>By: robert Pavlis</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/linus-torvalds-mac-os-x-is-utter-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-20268</link>
		<dc:creator>robert Pavlis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason there seem to be a shortage of people who understand that a decent operating system environment needs to have &quot;mousing&quot; systems with all the drag and drop stuff for programs that one seldom uses, and powerful command line system for frequently done operations. There needs to be a powerful shell system with standardised commands.  If one be a decent typist the (explicatives deleted) mouses waste an incredible amount of time running frequently executed and familiar programs. 

For that reason Linux, BSD, and other such systems when equipped with xwindow and decent window managers are the only sensible way to do things. For people in science, engineering, and mathematics it seems ridiculous to throw away money to translate Unix programs to run under anything not POSIX compliant.  Apple, to their credit, makes it fairly easy to migrate Unix programs to their system, and has x available. 

It should be obvious that for an operating system to be able to do anything it needs lots of commands, and text based commands are far simpler to use than moving (explicatives deleted) mouses around the screen for complex operations.   Having one&#039;s computer screen covered with icons so that it looks like a church after a tornado is not a user friendly thing to do either!

It is also highly unsatisfactory to have to do everything from command lines.  Thus a x with a good window manager with a POSIX operating system underneath with a good shell is the only thing that makes sense to people who use computers for serious purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason there seem to be a shortage of people who understand that a decent operating system environment needs to have &#8220;mousing&#8221; systems with all the drag and drop stuff for programs that one seldom uses, and powerful command line system for frequently done operations. There needs to be a powerful shell system with standardised commands.  If one be a decent typist the (explicatives deleted) mouses waste an incredible amount of time running frequently executed and familiar programs. </p>
<p>For that reason Linux, BSD, and other such systems when equipped with xwindow and decent window managers are the only sensible way to do things. For people in science, engineering, and mathematics it seems ridiculous to throw away money to translate Unix programs to run under anything not POSIX compliant.  Apple, to their credit, makes it fairly easy to migrate Unix programs to their system, and has x available. </p>
<p>It should be obvious that for an operating system to be able to do anything it needs lots of commands, and text based commands are far simpler to use than moving (explicatives deleted) mouses around the screen for complex operations.   Having one&#8217;s computer screen covered with icons so that it looks like a church after a tornado is not a user friendly thing to do either!</p>
<p>It is also highly unsatisfactory to have to do everything from command lines.  Thus a x with a good window manager with a POSIX operating system underneath with a good shell is the only thing that makes sense to people who use computers for serious purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: MMS Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/linus-torvalds-mac-os-x-is-utter-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-17359</link>
		<dc:creator>MMS Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Into the fire!
Ignorance is curable, stupidity is terminal. Ignorance can be overcome. Stupidity is the willful act of disregarding new information for emotional reasons. (And yes,I could learn from my own words.) Vista is ultimately just a way to get me to spend more of my $500./month on something BIGGER. XP works fine for me and has lots of stuff written for it. I love tinkering with GNU/linux and hope to completely switch over and help my friends do the same. I have a huge collection of computer parts and pieces to tinker with, but just threw out the Apple/Mac stuff as it was taking up space and could not be recycled.(They were still working) My mother swears by her Mac, and has worked in Typesetting, Pasteup/layuot for Kansas state High School Athletics Association. But everytime I visit her she is quietly swearing at her machine. Her old mac sits on the shelf collecting dust unsupported. I don&#039;t expect her, or any of you to be able to build a bone stock 1967 VW Bus that will peg the speedometer,(100+mph)but we all have our stronger points and should celebrate them and share them with others that they not be lost on our selves. (Yeah, I know, TOO preachy!)(and mom doesn&#039;t like to go that fast)
My point... Mega suck works for for the main stream, (Vista in a controlled environment)GNU/Linux still has a ways to go, and Mac makes cute Adds on TV! That&#039;s my two pieces of over valued bi-metal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Into the fire!<br />
Ignorance is curable, stupidity is terminal. Ignorance can be overcome. Stupidity is the willful act of disregarding new information for emotional reasons. (And yes,I could learn from my own words.) Vista is ultimately just a way to get me to spend more of my $500./month on something BIGGER. XP works fine for me and has lots of stuff written for it. I love tinkering with GNU/linux and hope to completely switch over and help my friends do the same. I have a huge collection of computer parts and pieces to tinker with, but just threw out the Apple/Mac stuff as it was taking up space and could not be recycled.(They were still working) My mother swears by her Mac, and has worked in Typesetting, Pasteup/layuot for Kansas state High School Athletics Association. But everytime I visit her she is quietly swearing at her machine. Her old mac sits on the shelf collecting dust unsupported. I don&#8217;t expect her, or any of you to be able to build a bone stock 1967 VW Bus that will peg the speedometer,(100+mph)but we all have our stronger points and should celebrate them and share them with others that they not be lost on our selves. (Yeah, I know, TOO preachy!)(and mom doesn&#8217;t like to go that fast)<br />
My point&#8230; Mega suck works for for the main stream, (Vista in a controlled environment)GNU/Linux still has a ways to go, and Mac makes cute Adds on TV! That&#8217;s my two pieces of over valued bi-metal</p>
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		<title>By: ghio</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond is right, sorry guys :D. Anyway, i&#039;m waiting for a software to run on OS X, the developers can&#039;t launch it because Java is still crap in OS X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond is right, sorry guys <img src='http://www.pcmech.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> . Anyway, i&#8217;m waiting for a software to run on OS X, the developers can&#8217;t launch it because Java is still crap in OS X.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Zanol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Zanol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Linux user and I think some of the statements here are way out of context. For starters about the market share of Linux never going to be huge, who ever said that is the goal of Linux. Except for a few distros of linux, Linux is not a commercial for profit enterprise. As such it really does not matter how many people use Linux. I realize some Linux users make statements contrary to that but the fact remains Linux exists as an alternative to Windows and Mac. A free alternative, not only as in free beer but also as freedom to use the OS and software how you like and on as many machines as you like (no licensing restrictions). 

Mr Martin I disagree with you when you say most computer users are stupid, rather than they just aren&#039;t informed or educated on the options available to them. It is an attitude such as this that keeps a lot of people who otherwise would have tried Linux from doing so. Why would someone want help from you or use your OS after you just insulted them. Those who have knowledge and experience should share it rather than criticize those who don&#039;t have it. I repair and build computers from my home and I take the time to try to help those who I have the opportunity to do work for with issues that maybe will teach them how to do it themselves rather than pay someone to do it for them. If it were that all people were like Mr martin I would never have learned a thing about computers for his insults would have prevented me from even asking for help. Those of us who know something have to have humility and remain humble because we aren&#039;t the omes who invented the stuff we know, it was given to us by someone willing to help us and a lot of our own hard work...RAZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Linux user and I think some of the statements here are way out of context. For starters about the market share of Linux never going to be huge, who ever said that is the goal of Linux. Except for a few distros of linux, Linux is not a commercial for profit enterprise. As such it really does not matter how many people use Linux. I realize some Linux users make statements contrary to that but the fact remains Linux exists as an alternative to Windows and Mac. A free alternative, not only as in free beer but also as freedom to use the OS and software how you like and on as many machines as you like (no licensing restrictions). </p>
<p>Mr Martin I disagree with you when you say most computer users are stupid, rather than they just aren&#8217;t informed or educated on the options available to them. It is an attitude such as this that keeps a lot of people who otherwise would have tried Linux from doing so. Why would someone want help from you or use your OS after you just insulted them. Those who have knowledge and experience should share it rather than criticize those who don&#8217;t have it. I repair and build computers from my home and I take the time to try to help those who I have the opportunity to do work for with issues that maybe will teach them how to do it themselves rather than pay someone to do it for them. If it were that all people were like Mr martin I would never have learned a thing about computers for his insults would have prevented me from even asking for help. Those of us who know something have to have humility and remain humble because we aren&#8217;t the omes who invented the stuff we know, it was given to us by someone willing to help us and a lot of our own hard work&#8230;RAZ</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/linus-torvalds-mac-os-x-is-utter-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-16206</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fool. Linux is better than both OS X and any Windows. I have used all of them and I still come back to Linux for its power, reliability, flexibility and so forth.

I have Mac OS X Leopard here and Windows. They just cannot do the things Linux can. This idea that Linux people are fanboys is stupid, it is the Mac people that are fanboys and cannot see the flaws that are staring them in the face when they use it. Here is a list of some flaws in the recent OS X:

- upgrading from Tiger to Leopard results in a slower system (that is why Snow Leopard is aimed at performance issues--bad engineering there).

- X11 under Leopard is partially/fully broken (it worked in Tiger--Linux has the latest and greatest version).

- Java was screwed up in Leopard and only recently is starting to catch up with Linux and Windows--works perfectly under Linux.

- Spaces in Leopard is garbage. Talk about a ripoff idea from X11 window managers, that have provided virtual desktops for over 10 years;under Linux it works flawlessly, under any desktop manager, not just the one that Apple provides--catch up Apple.

You might also want to check the fact that Apple took some of their basic software from KDE (Safari, Mail, and some others). 

The reason Linux is not more popular is not because there is something wrong with it, it is because most computer users are stupid and do not see the difference between the computer and operating system. They go to a computer store and buy whatever is there expecting it all to be set up for them, thus they get the pre-installed Windows crap every time because of MS bundling policies with hardware manufacturers and then expect to get it always.

And just because Ubuntu does not do exactly what you want does not mean the many other distros out there cannot. Try Mandriva, OpenSuse, Fedora, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fool. Linux is better than both OS X and any Windows. I have used all of them and I still come back to Linux for its power, reliability, flexibility and so forth.</p>
<p>I have Mac OS X Leopard here and Windows. They just cannot do the things Linux can. This idea that Linux people are fanboys is stupid, it is the Mac people that are fanboys and cannot see the flaws that are staring them in the face when they use it. Here is a list of some flaws in the recent OS X:</p>
<p>- upgrading from Tiger to Leopard results in a slower system (that is why Snow Leopard is aimed at performance issues&#8211;bad engineering there).</p>
<p>- X11 under Leopard is partially/fully broken (it worked in Tiger&#8211;Linux has the latest and greatest version).</p>
<p>- Java was screwed up in Leopard and only recently is starting to catch up with Linux and Windows&#8211;works perfectly under Linux.</p>
<p>- Spaces in Leopard is garbage. Talk about a ripoff idea from X11 window managers, that have provided virtual desktops for over 10 years;under Linux it works flawlessly, under any desktop manager, not just the one that Apple provides&#8211;catch up Apple.</p>
<p>You might also want to check the fact that Apple took some of their basic software from KDE (Safari, Mail, and some others). </p>
<p>The reason Linux is not more popular is not because there is something wrong with it, it is because most computer users are stupid and do not see the difference between the computer and operating system. They go to a computer store and buy whatever is there expecting it all to be set up for them, thus they get the pre-installed Windows crap every time because of MS bundling policies with hardware manufacturers and then expect to get it always.</p>
<p>And just because Ubuntu does not do exactly what you want does not mean the many other distros out there cannot. Try Mandriva, OpenSuse, Fedora, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ooi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.. I think Linus s joking by saying OS X is worse than Vista! I don&#039;t agree to that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.. I think Linus s joking by saying OS X is worse than Vista! I don&#8217;t agree to that!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve done Torvalds a disservice by misquoting him.  I suggest you fix the headline to reflect the actual quote.  In fairness to Apple fanboys everywhere, I don&#039;t think anyone thinks HFS+ is anything other than hoary 1980&#039;s  technology that has been patched and extended until Apple can get ZFS to the point that it can reasonably replace HFS+.  Interestingly ZFS, which is a highly-regarded file system from Sun Microsystems, will most likely never run on Linux because the license isn&#039;t GPL compatible.  I&#039;d say Linus has about another year to poke fun at HFS+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve done Torvalds a disservice by misquoting him.  I suggest you fix the headline to reflect the actual quote.  In fairness to Apple fanboys everywhere, I don&#8217;t think anyone thinks HFS+ is anything other than hoary 1980&#8217;s  technology that has been patched and extended until Apple can get ZFS to the point that it can reasonably replace HFS+.  Interestingly ZFS, which is a highly-regarded file system from Sun Microsystems, will most likely never run on Linux because the license isn&#8217;t GPL compatible.  I&#8217;d say Linus has about another year to poke fun at HFS+.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting...Someone responsible for Linux calling Leopard crap.  Who has the more popular OS?  Why is the Apple OS more popular?  I don&#039;t even have to answer the question it is so obvious.

Some people want to know whats under the hood of a computer and how it works.  Other people could care less and just want their computer to do what it is supposed to do..run software.  The vast majority of people fall into the latter category...I know its hard for us geeks to understand that but Linux is for geeks...and Apple is not. You dont need to be a geek to use an Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;Someone responsible for Linux calling Leopard crap.  Who has the more popular OS?  Why is the Apple OS more popular?  I don&#8217;t even have to answer the question it is so obvious.</p>
<p>Some people want to know whats under the hood of a computer and how it works.  Other people could care less and just want their computer to do what it is supposed to do..run software.  The vast majority of people fall into the latter category&#8230;I know its hard for us geeks to understand that but Linux is for geeks&#8230;and Apple is not. You dont need to be a geek to use an Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Cirvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cirvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux is not an operating system.

It&#039;s a kernel, a layer of code that abstracts the computer&#039;s hardware. It manages the memory, the file systems, and other devices. What you see on the screen when you use a GNU/Linux system is either the command line shell (BASH or what have you) or the X window system.

You say that it&#039;s hard (if not impossible) to set up dual monitors in Ubuntu, and as a regular Ubuntu user, I completely agree. The GUI configuration utility that Ubuntu uses is utterly worthless, However, to blame Linux is completely uncalled for. What&#039;s really at fault is the X.org server and Canonical&#039;s terrible configuration utility. 

If you have an Nvidia card, they have their own utility for GNU/Linux systems that configures the X server with no trouble whatsoever.

In short, Linux is not an operating system. Just a part of it. Do some research before writing something like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux is not an operating system.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a kernel, a layer of code that abstracts the computer&#8217;s hardware. It manages the memory, the file systems, and other devices. What you see on the screen when you use a GNU/Linux system is either the command line shell (BASH or what have you) or the X window system.</p>
<p>You say that it&#8217;s hard (if not impossible) to set up dual monitors in Ubuntu, and as a regular Ubuntu user, I completely agree. The GUI configuration utility that Ubuntu uses is utterly worthless, However, to blame Linux is completely uncalled for. What&#8217;s really at fault is the X.org server and Canonical&#8217;s terrible configuration utility. </p>
<p>If you have an Nvidia card, they have their own utility for GNU/Linux systems that configures the X server with no trouble whatsoever.</p>
<p>In short, Linux is not an operating system. Just a part of it. Do some research before writing something like this.</p>
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