Last night I downloaded and tried out Linux Mint 4.0 (Daryna).
Before continuing I’m going to say up front I purposely avoided using Mint because I was under the impression it was just an "Ubuntu with some nice stuff added to it". And there’s a few distros out there like that.
Not so with Mint as I found out.
Here’s what I was able to do with Mint:
- Configure dual monitors - and they actually worked.
- Play Flash animations in a web browser
- Play DVDs
- Play MP3s
Sound impressive? Of course not.
Want to know what’s truly impressive about the above? I didn’t have to go to the command line once. I was able to do all of that completely from the GUI. There was absolutely none of that frustrating-beyond-belief command line crap.
In addition, the interface is super clean, super easy and honestly speaking I wish Ubuntu did all this stuff this easily.
I seriously suggest checking it out. It’s a CD-sized distro so it doesn’t take forever to download - a nice touch.
Begin nerdy technobabble here:
Dual monitor follies
I run an nVidia GeForce 7 series video card with 256MB on board. It has two outputs; DVI and VGA. I have a widescreen 1680×1050 LCD on the DVI and a 1280×1024 LCD on the VGA.
My DVI is on the left; the VGA on the right.
On the surface this really shouldn’t matter, right? Wrong. The VGA port always defaults as Screen 0 and DVI as Screen 1.
On other distros I’ve used it’s always been a challenge (said politely) to instruct via xorg.conf to use the DVI as Screen 0, but no matter how many times I rewrite that @#*&@! file and restart X, the screen flashes a few times and defaults back to VGA as screen 0 all the time, every time.
Very annoying.
In Mint I still have the same issue, however, the nVidia setup was by far the smoothest I’ve seen since Sabayon.
After initial install the "restricted" nVidia driver is immediately available as a card-looking icon in the task area so I didn’t have to go hunting for it. Very cool. Click ‘n’ enable. Nice and easy.
In addition, the installation of Envy was listed as an app you can just click and install. It does all the compiling crap so you don’t have to. Were you to do it manually it would take at least a good 15 minutes (or more) of typing a bunch of crap in a terminal without even a guarantee of getting it working correctly. But Mint takes care of it all.
My dual-monitor setup works fine save for the fact the login screen still defaults to VGA first (as it is configured as Screen 0 because I have no other choice). But once inside GNOME the screens set themselves proper. I can deal with that.
I only have one real issue: I can’t enable Desktop Effects.
What’s interesting is that Envy reported I could enable Desktop Effects after a reboot.. but it doesn’t work.
If I configure the system to use a single monitor (either one), I get full Desktop Effects enabled easily. It’s only in the dual setup with Xinerama that it does not work.
Why I was able to do dual-screen full-on effects in Sabayon but not in Mint is anyone’s guess. The only real difference as far as X is concerned is that Sabayon was using KDE environment while Mint is GNOME. I’m under the impression that it should (keyword there) not matter which desktop environment you’re using, but maybe it does.
Totem Player worked first try!
Can you believe it? After the install of Mint (even before I installed Envy) I could pop in a DVD and it started playing. No issues whatsoever. Incredible. No downloads required, no codecs needs, none o’ that. It just worked. Hallelujah.
My only gripe with the Totem player is that it’s a bit too basic compared to PowerDVD for Windows. I have basically no sound options that I could locate (such as boosting volume for loud environments) and the picture options were also a bit lacking.
But aside from that, it worked and that’s the most important thing.
No wheel options for the mouse
In Windows XP I have my mouse wheel-click set as a double-click and use it all the time.
While it’s true the wheel does proper scrolling in Mint (something very much appreciated), I could find no options in the Control Center for mouse wheel options. Either I’m not looking hard enough or maybe there’s some other package I can download that will give me those options. All I want is the wheel-click to be a double-click; that’s all I require.
Network is fast without any IPv6 disabling required
On a few distros I’ve tried (such as Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.10) the IPv6 is enabled by default. This ordinarily isn’t a problem per sé but depending on your ISP it can slow down your internet to a crawl.
In this situation you either type in about:config in Firefox and set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true or manually turn IPv6 off via, you guessed it, a manually edited file. The file is different depending on what distro you’re using.
Some Linux nerd made a comment to me once that disabling IPv6 cripples the network on the box but never said exactly why. Well, it’s already crippled by the fact when IPv6 is on the internet speeds crawl, so what’s the @#*&^ difference? Hmm?
Linux nerds are funny like that because they’ll always point out your problems but never offer solutions other than RTFM. Yeah, thanks a lot. What manual? A-ha! Gotcha there, Charlie. And no, "Google it" is not a proper answer either. Try helping instead of blabbering, jackass.
But I digress.
I didn’t have to do any of that IPv6 disabling crap in Mint. The networking worked flawlessly and the internet speed was fast like it should be.
As an aside, on a recent tryout of Fedora 8 it didn’t have the IPv6 issue on my network 7 did.
Mint Updater works well
The updating program for Mint is actually a bit better than Ubuntu because it states severity levels for each update listed, denoted by a big 1, 2 or 3. This is a really nice touch and truth be told, I actually haven’t seen update severity levels listed in any other operating system that I know of (Windows and OS X included). Not like this, anyway.
Crashes apps less
In Ubuntu as well as others there would be times I’d have to do the tried-and-true "kill app" thing. This normally happened because an app was looking for something that wasn’t installed (i.e. a codec, driver or whatever), but the fact Mint has all that stuff pre-installed gives pretty much every app more stability. Why? Because if an app searches for something it needs to run, it’s there.
I only ran into a "Mint needs [this] to launch [this]" when in the Control Center - and it only happened once. But the Control Center didn’t crash. It just reported the error, you click OK and go back to where you were.
Yeah, I know this sounds overly simplistic but I have experienced times in other distros where the Control Center/Panel/Whatever would actually crash if that happened and you’d have to "kill" it before going back.
Super key works without any need for combination keystrokes
In no distro of Linux is the Win-key ever called the Win-key. It’s always called the "Super" key.
And I were putting Linux on a Mac I’d call it the Apple or Command key.
Why? Because that’s what they keyboard shows it as. I don’t see a Superman logo on that key so there’s nothing super about it.
But y’know, come to think of it, it would be kinda cool to see a Superman logo on that key.. But it’s not there. Oh well.
In some distros I can head to the Control Center and set a keystroke to pop up the Applications menu when I press the Super key. In others it’s required to have it as a combination like Super+A.
In Mint I can pop up the apps with the Super key alone and I dig that.
And yes I do this because that’s the way the Start Menu is brought up in Windows 95/98/NT/ME/2000/XP.
Conclusion (for now)
Later on I’m going to see if I can get VMWare running in Mint and also see if I can fix that Desktop Effects thing for the dual monitors.
For those who ask why I care about Desktop Effects so much, if you’ve ever used Beryl you know exactly why. It absolutely blows the doors off of anything Windows or OS X can do as far as user experience is concerned. Is it useful? No, but who cares? It’s modern, it’s cool and it looks awesome.
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Jah said:
1/23/2008 10:57 am
Cool. I have a couple Daryna CD’s laying around, popped it in once. Noticed I can watch DivX(or was it Xvid?) video files, said thats nice, and went back to Mandriva(which has support for mp3’s and all that fancy stuff “out of the box”). I never really gave Mint a chance. I, like you, am coming from windows and hate the command line(which ubuntu has forced me to go to several times). I can say that when I started Mint it did look very nice and whatnot. I did notice that Mint got my wireless(laptop, atheros(most problematic for linux if you didn’t know) based) working without editing any files like the blacklist and stuff… which I had to do in Ubuntu… after installing the ndiswrapper… really big hassle.
But I think I will check out mint a second time… and yes, beryl and compiz are truly awesome… and aren’t resource hogs like lets say aero for vista.
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Rich Menga said:
1/23/2008 2:05 pm
What prompted me to give Mint a shot is the fact a crapload of people downloaded it according to DistroWatch.com. The number was high enough to tell me “Well if that many people dl’ed it, it can’t be *that* bad”. Even though I had worries it was just another Ubuntu clone, it definitely isn’t. It’s just better all around.
And a small update: The software portal for Mint installs apps so easy it’s not funny. Picasa, Filezilla, Google Earth, Acrobat Reader, Audacity? Works, works, works, works, works, all on *first* try and it lands launch icons in the proper places.
And screencast recording *with* sound? WORKS. Also on first try. No command line required. It’s all on the portal site. I’ve never seen app installs this easy in a Linux - *ever*.
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Johannes Eva said:
1/23/2008 7:28 pm
Great review!
I am a Linux Mint enthusiastic since December, the best Linux distro I ever tried in my life… and you’re right, it’s just what Ubuntu should be!
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evenorbi said:
1/23/2008 7:54 pm
You can live without the commandline in Ubuntu too. Use Firefox for install Flash and Totem will ask you if you want to download codecs the first time to run it (and does it since last April), or you just install VLC from Synaptic and it’ll play anything for you. Ubuntu doesn’t contain all of these extra stuff because not everywhere is legal to play certain things, which is really sad.
But I recommend Linux Mint for any new Linux user, it’s really easy and if they want to learn they will move to another distro.
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warner said:
1/24/2008 6:09 pm
If you are interested in VMWare check out Virtualbox (.org), a gpl virtualization app, very slick, very stable.
It runs on Lin/Win/OSX, highly recomended.
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Tyle said:
1/25/2008 12:16 am
I’ve heard of Mint before, but like you, I’ve always just thought of it as another “knockoff”. I enjoy using Ubuntu, however I usually end up getting frustrated with it for some reason or another…usually having to do with something video related (I too use a NVidia card). Maybe I’ll have to give this a try and see if it works better. It would be nice to have some of this stuff work right out of the box for once. The out of the box dual monitor support is also intruiging.
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kDest said:
1/31/2008 8:11 am
I just wanted to point out the reason that many Linux distros, including Ubuntu avoid having codecs and full dvd accessibility.
Many codecs are patented, and Linux cannot in most countries legally play the dvds you buy at stores. libdvdcss (I believe its current name is) is illegal in most countries that respect copyright law and also have some variant of the DMCA (though one can argue the main reason that the backers of CSS enforce this law against it is because they wish to sell a license to everybody who would play dvds to decode them).
It’s basically to avoid litigation. As for the dual screen and flash animations, I agree it would be nicer if Linux had these easier to config, but again it’s probably a patent issue, copyright issue, or closed source issue.
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Aphex said:
2/6/2008 1:30 pm
Ok,
So heres the part where I say, its Free and its not ever meant to directly compete with Windows or OSX. If you don’t like the command-line why use gnu/linux? Its one of the best things about it.
If you can’t enter a few simple commands into a virtual terminal with a browser open, then OSX is what you need. This review sounds like you couldn’t figure out screen0/screen1 and when Mint does it, BEST.DISTRO.EVER.
gimme a break. News just in: Linux provides free butter!! BEST.Distro.EvER!!!
RTFM and Google are absolutly the best advice you can give newbies to linux otherwise every kid who thinks using gnu/linux is ‘kewl’ would be screaming about how to do the simplest thing on the forums.
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OSX User said:
2/16/2008 3:09 pm
LOL @ Noob Linux users.
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Todd said:
2/21/2008 4:57 am
In your comment about using the “Super Key” alone to launch your applications menu, does that mean it launches the custom “mintmenu” (which pops up when you click the logo in the lower left corner)? I can’t for the life of me figure out how to map the super key to open the mint menu, and the mint forums haven’t been any help.
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Rich Menga said:
2/23/2008 5:37 pm
Yes and no. You can configure it to launch a “floating” applications menu which holds the same contents as the Mint menu, but I was not able to get the Super key to launch the from-taskbar Mint menu itself.
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