Mozilla Thunderbird 3 – Where Did You Go Wrong?

I am a diehard Mozilla Thunderbird user. Even though I’ve tried out just about every single email there is (Yahoo! Mail, Gmail and Hotmail included), and just about every single mail client there is, I always go back to Thunderbird. It’s because it does the job that good.

But unfortunately I can’t say that anymore.

Now I have to say I’m a diehard Thunderbird 2 user.

Before I get into why that is, bear in mind when it comes to email, people are fiercely loyal when it comes to their mail clients. Some Windows users positively refuse to give up Outlook Express 6. Many Mac users absolutely will not use anything but Apple’s Mail app. And there are even some diehard Eudora users out there still. All of this stuff (including Apple’s Mail) are programs built upon very old code – but working and good code. Each one of those mail apps are super-fast and work without complaint.

Thunderbird 2 is the exact same way. Light, quick on its feet and stupidly easy to use. It’s mail the way it was meant to be. It works flawlessly in Windows, Mac or Linux.

Thunderbird 3 on the other hand is a totally different story.

The good stuff

The global search is by far 3′s best feature. No question. To find mail anywhere in any folder, just start typing in the search field. Search by anything. This search is amazing.

Originally I wasn’t too hot on the idea of tabs in my email, but the way they’re implemented in 3 works quite well. It is better to have an email open up in a tab rather than a new window. The awesome global search I mentioned a moment ago makes extensive use of these tabs and does so well.

T-bird 3 also takes advantage of Windows 7′s search. What this means is that you can locate emails without even having to open Thunderbird. Just click the start logo and type. And yes, you can turn it off (which I did because I like to keep mail searches solely within the client).

The new icon sets do look better than 2′s did – particularly the icons for attachments and starred mails.

The relocation of certain buttons to be within the reading pane window are very convenient. I did like that the reply button was in a place that, for lack of a better term, felt better.

The bad stuff

T-bird 3 tries in its best effort to automatically set up an email account by guessing what servers you would use. Unless you’re using a very popular email service this is a complete waste of time, because it takes longer for that process to complete compared to manually entering in the POP/IMAP/SMTP server information yourself.

The "smart folders" 3 uses make no sense whatsoever. I quickly dumped that for the older standard tree-style listings instead, easily done by clicking an arrow at the top of the list.

You would assume the new "Archive" feature would follow the date of emails for proper date-based archival. It doesn’t. If you "archive" a mail from 2008, guess where it lands? In the 2009 folder. This makes the feature worthless. I can do the same thing with a drag-and-drop in T-bird 2.

But even with this bad stuff, I was still set on using this client. But then there were two things that were total deal-breakers.

Unfinished product

There were several instances I found where things just simply didn’t work.

One that really stuck out was the F8 shortcut. This is a toggle function in T-bird to turn off/on the reading pane. I use it quite a bit. It would not work unless I specifically clicked the View menu first, then clicked again, then it would work. Very annoying.

If you add in columns with information that justifies itself to the right side (like "Size") and place that on the right side, there isn’t any padding. The text slams to the right border and makes some text unreadable no matter how you position it.

Unstable

On an attempt to double-click a tiny-sized email to open it in a tab, T-bird crashed. I’m not kidding. Crashed. Never have I had T-bird do this to be before with an official release. It crashed so hard I had to force-quit it Windows style via the Task Manager.

T-bird 3 for no apparent reason jumped to over 100,000 K of memory usage – even when it was not indexing and just sitting there. Most email apps will use 20,000 to 30,000 K (which T-bird 2 did) even when loaded with add-ons and never exceed that resource. There was literally no reason 3 had to be this chunky on resource whatsoever.

On attempt to mass-select emails where you click a mail, hold SHIFT and press the PageDown key – even with the reading pane off, T-bird 3 stuttered and was flaky on execution. It wasn’t even rendering any emails for view other than the list. What was it "thinking" about? That question goes unanswered.

Was it a "Windows thing"?

I was getting so desperate to figure out what was going wrong with T-bird 3 that I entertained the idea that maybe somehow it was Windows 7 messing it up, because there was no possible way Mozilla would release something this bad.

T-bird 2 never, repeat, never had a problem in Win 7. Or XP for that matter.

No matter what I did, T-bird 3 was just a sluggish beast of an app that couldn’t even handle a simple POP account properly. The unfinished interface, the stuttering, pausing, memory munching.. it was all horrible. No amount of shutting down other apps, rebooting or otherwise fixed it.

After I reinstalled T-bird 2, I crossed my fingers actually hoping it would screw up so I could blame it on Windows 7.

Alas, T-bird 2 worked flawlessly like it always did. It wasn’t a Windows thing. It was a T-bird thing.

I can only pray that other T-bird 3 users didn’t have as bad of an experience as I did.

Speaking of which, if you currently use Thunderbird 3 no matter what your OS (Win/Mac/Linux), please feel free to post a comment on your experience with the software. Hopefully it was a good one, because in all honesty I truly want to be wrong about 3 here.

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  • DH

    Geeezz… MS dumped OE in favor of WLM, and that sucked ass… So I decided to migrate to Thunderbird.

    So apparently Mozilla is following suit and making newer versions more complex and less usable?

    How the heck do I move the Local Folders to the top of the folders tree? Any gurus out there who could help me?

    On another note: Is there a way to get this folder summary panel from Thunderbird? http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/nanakinoir/OESummaryPanel.png

  • Prasenajit

    Thunderbird 3 sucks so bad I uninstalled it and went back to version 2. I’ve been using thunderbird since version 1. It really has several bugs. The search has several bugs. The tabbed search feature is unusable because of bugs. The folder organization is terrible. The search implementation is terrible. The search interface (contrary to the author’s opinion) really sucks. Really so many things are wrong with thunderbird 3 that I regret having tried to use it for those few months, because it died, and before it died, strange things started to happen, like mail moving into different folders, losing mail etc. I am also an Outlook user at work, and I am happy with it. But for security concerns I would gladly be using Outlook and Evolution. Really Thunderbird 3 is that bad.

  • Peter

    I think I’ll have to agree.
    I experience it to be very slow, hangs when saving drafts, even crashes while typing an email.
    Sending out an email now takes much longer as well. No idea why, but it’s extremely annoying. And I miss the way the search worked in TB2!!
    For me TB has become so slow and unreliable, so I’m doubting to downgrade or maybe switch to a different mail client.

  • Vinnie

    It was so bad! Besides the sluggish search due to crappy indexing, it screwed up my IMAP server and I have no clue how to reconnect. Their bug fix said to change some things, but it didn’t do crap. This surprisingly reminds me of Firefox 3′s release: it was really buggy, slow, and not worth it.

    Maybe they’re pulling a Vista trick so they can make a Windows 7……

  • CP

    I have to say I hate the new search features. I preferred when I could just search my inbox and view results in the left window and the right window would instantly load up the email. The global search idea is good but how it is presented sucks.

  • Rob Decker

    I sadly have to agree that Thunderbird 3 is a disaster !! Never ever had the slightest issue with Thunderbird 2, since Version 3 i have nothing but troubles. Frequently hanging of the application, EXTREMELY ANNOYING failures to save message after it was sent (or was it not ?? not so sure and my crystal ball is just out of service… not very funny if you do not know if your mail has actually been sent or not, and the stuff you have written is gone and no way to save it)

    What i find most terrible that Thunderbird guys going the same way as so many others … growing applications bigger and bigger with lots of stuff – and becoming unreliable :-(

    I hope i can uninstall that stuff without trashing my mailboxes and addresses….. what a waste of time

  • Vern

    Can’t even get it set up – deleted.

  • jm

    true, Thunderbird 3 is terrible used from 120 to 600 mb of ram on my system (w32 xp) I just testing thebat and looks ok using from 20 to 30 mb of ram, not free but works just fine.

  • quackducker

    I have worked THREE days to set up Thunderbird so I can use it. I was a diehard Netscape user from its start, but Outlook Express allowed me to download email from several accounts into one Inbox. This worked with my style.

    I’ve used it for years, and have been pretty happy with OE, but some things could be improved, and I don’t see MS spending any time on developing this product further.

    MS Outlook is a PITA for me, and I prefer OEXPRESS.

    Well, I switched to Firefox because IE7 wouldn’t customize the way I want, and Firefox has a lot of possibilities. I wanted to switch back to Thunderbird and totally get rid of MS.

    First install, Thunderbird overrode my instructions, and imported all of my emails. Sheesh. Why would I want duplicates? I want to start with a clean slate! Why would TB purposely ignore my instructions to import only settings and contacts and not mail? Who nose.

    I’ll spare you the details of the number of times TB imported, and the number of times I deleted, uninstalled, and cleaned my registry. Too much time! And I was terribly frustrated.

    Whenever I tried to download, it asked for password. Now, I’m certainly not going to keep inputting a password whenever I want mail. And I’m not going to have a password to access passwords. Or spend lots of time playing with the program praying it will work and I can get on with my life.

    So, then, I deleted my gmail account, and reinput it. it pulled up my settings, and decided to use imap instead of the pop I use on OE.

    Voila, it totally MIRRORED my WHOLE gmail account. Grrr. Absolutely NOT what I want. Why would I want a program that mirrors the other one, when I can more easily use the original?

    Finding no help from Mozilla (those dedicated, company fora are slanted to the program rather than the consumer), I finally re-deleted the account and re-opened it as a pop-gmail.com account — same settings as I use in OE.

    Yippee. It didn’t download or mirror.

    It DID open my gmail account on my Thunderbird. It gave it a totally different account from the general Inbox. I don’t WANT a different account. I want ONE inbox into which all my accounts (through gmail) go. If you name that gmail, thats okay with me, but I don’t want the craziness of all sorts of account showing there.

    I coulda dealt with that though, but no go. Password doesn’t work. Password isn’t even RECOGNIZED. Nothing. gmail account is locked. Everything is locked.

    I give up. I’m not willing to spend any more time trying to make this work my way. And I’m not willing to be forced to do it their way.

    So, I uninstalled Thunderbird, and won’t try again. I’ll stick with OE, which is far better for my purposes than Thunderbird.

    I lost three days of energy and work hypervigilant about succeeding with this product, and ignored my inital gut response. Oh well. Now to clean the garage.

  • thumky

    I just upgraded a whole office to Thunderbird 3.0
    On the upgrade it changed the security settings so that SMTP stopped working. ( why not keep my settings on an upgrade!!!! ) Plus the default behavior of downloading all IMAP email doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Lastly the indexing is thinking way too hard and getting in the way.

    Very surprising for Mozilla.

  • http://pictrade.net Steven Boothe

    Same poor experience over here. TB3 would never stop indexing. In fact it was almost comical: If I could catch it just before finishing the index operation on a mailbox of say 500 messages, I could actually take a picture of the status bar as it says “Indexing 501 of 500 messages”. Very sad and disappointing as I too have been a long time Thunderbird user.

  • Benny

    I have used TB2 for a few years now, and it does the job well. I know where everything is, and its easy to navigate.
    Recently I installed TB3. Nothing was obvious about its setup.
    The folder construction confused me.
    I think the jump from a long standing layout to a much different layout is far too much to do in one step.
    I cant be bothered trying to understand TB3.
    For the moment, I’ll stick with TB2
    THanks to all the people who have worked on all the TB editions though.
    Benny

  • Al

    I found this thread hoping to speed up my tb 3.0.4 – arg! I was using tb 2 and it worked fine. They upgraded the OS and tb automatically upgraded and it is SO SLOW it is unusable (minimum 15 seconds up to 2 minutes to read a new mail after clicking on it). I hate the search feature. I loved the earlier on where you could type in the name of the person who sent it to you and get all their emails – cant seem to get this one to do it. -why cant they just have a pop-up where you can pick to search in from/to/subject/body or combo? the popup i do get seems broken or does not work in any way as expected. my 15 year old emailer can do this well – why cant tb?
    i will try turning indexing off although it supposedly indexed everything already – its painful to click on any tb buttons as each operation takes about 1/2 a minute to execute. sheesh.

  • Renée

    I came here trying to decide whether it was worth it to upgrade to TB 3. I am running TB 2 and have found it sluggish of late. I am also running Firefox 3.5 and didn’t upgrade to 3.6 because of similar complaints about the new version. I will now take the advice and stick with TB 2 in spite of my difficulties. I’d rather stay with that than put up with the problems of the new version. I am very unhappy with the state of new software upgrades in general these days. With every new version of everything it seems that there are more bugs and stability problems than ever making them not worth using. I hate webmails even more. It’s a real issue.

  • http://karenblundell.com Karen Blundell

    I too am a die-hard Thunderbird user. Today I decided to upgrade to 3 and the first problem I encountered was not being able to send mail because of the smtp authentication bug
    I also found T3 clunky and slow.
    I promptly re-installed the latest version of 2 which I love.

  • http://www.lightpainter.co.uk Tom Gardner

    Lots of negative views here I see….

    I have been a TB user for several years and love it. I upgraded to TB3 on my high-specced home machine and my 6 year old Dell laptop with 1GB RAM. On both I have 11 IMAP accounts set up and multiple Google calendars using the Lightning extension as well as the Google Calendar tab extension. On my home system I have had none of the issues people have described here- The indexing works well, speed is fine, I can choose to use the (great) full search feature or (routinely) the various instant filter options as we had before. I love the tabs and I have never had a problem with them. I like the Google Calendar tab and Thunderbrowse extensions very much. Also the Google Contacts Sync extension. I have not noticed the RAM usage get out of hand, or at least not in any way that affects me. So, in general I am very happy with TB3 and find the additional functionality welcome, but accept that this comes at a price of using more resources. With a modern PC I don’t find this an issue.

    On my old laptop it is a bit of a different matter. The biggest problem, that I am trying to find a solution for, is a strange cyclical massive use of memory. It runs at a baseline of about 170MB (a lot in itself, but I do have lots of accounts and several extensions and calendars). This I can live with, it is similar to what I had with TB2. But what kills it is that every now and then throughout the day it rapidly ramps up until the use of RAM and Virtual memory until the VM (WinXP) reading goes over 600-750MB!! At this point the machine is well over its 1GB of RAM and the HD is thrashing around like a mad thing, and TB is also using a lot of CPU. Over about 20 minutes it stays at this level and then slowly decreases back to its baseline and I can get back to work.

    I have tried turning off the indexer, that makes no difference. Now I have to try turning off all my add-ons one by one to see if any of them are at fault. Has anyone else seen this behaviour and found a solution (other than going back to TB2)?

    The other bug I found in TB3 was in the use of a master password (important for a laptop in my view). On TB2 it worked fine, but on TB3 it kept asking me over and over again, for each account it seems, defeating the entire point of being a ‘master’ password. I had to turn it off.

  • Volker

    I’m disappointed too.
    1) I’m suffering from all those memory and CPU issues.
    2) I hate those tabs. I’m using windows, what’s wrong with opening another window? I always close the window and curse because i’ve closed thunderbird along with it.
    3) Why does it always start in the state I left it? Can I make it start with the INBOX and no message open? It’s really annoying if I always have to navigate to it first thing.

  • DanB

    I had TB3 setup using IMAP with my aim mail. For some reason, even though I unchecked the box to store local copies of mail on my PC, it stored them anyways. I use it at work and I do not want ANY personal mail stored locally on my work computer.
    Also the “automatic setup” did not setup correctly and I had to manually go in and change the settings to get it working correctly.
    I had problems with staying connected to the server. Sometimes it would randomly prompt for the password and then it wouldn’t accept it. I would close out the program and reopen it, then it would work fine again and accept my password.
    The smart folders are weird and annoying.
    It did seem slower than 2.
    I did not like where they moved the buttons to the preview window.

  • Richard

    This is a horroible piece of software. No matter what your level of technical competence, the best adviice is simple: Flee.

    Unless you have a single email account to set up, Thunderbird 3 will swallow hours — or days — of your precious time. .

    Expect myriad authentication errors that have to be sussed out one by one.

    The automated server detection function is usually wrong, spreading misinformation throughout all kinds of nooks and crannies in the programm. This generates spontaneous failures in retrieval and sending capabilities, even if you know your server’s protocols, usually necessitating a painstaking search for a solution.

    Enormous and wasteful use of system resources, too. The bizarre and virtually unmanageable indexing function slows everything down.

    Huge disappointment.

  • http://www.kevinthom.com Kevin Thom

    You’re right. Thunderbird 3 is a mess compared to TB2. Judging by all the comments on this post, I see I’m not the only one who feels this way. Maybe TB4 will be better…

  • http://Website(optional) Don Martin

    What the hell were the Thunderbird developers smoking when they came up with versions 3? This is clearly a case of not leaving well enough alone. To me Thunderbird 2 was near perfect. Thunderbird 3 is bloated, slow, hangs, constantly seems to be updating the index or performing some near meaningless function that distracts from the basic idea of getting mail and allowing a user to read it. I can not believe the no one stopped this Frankenstein monster before release. Talk about taking a great product and darn near ruining it…did someone take a dive or what?

  • http://www.inertialFATE.co.za Vaughan

    Hey. I have to agree, Im about to re-install version 2 now, for one simple reason, you cant assign an account to the “Local Folders” and Ive got a bunch of localhost accounts for development purposes (Im a web dev). So in version 2 I could just put them all into the Local Folder and retrieve only the local messages when I needed to. Now I have to get mail for each local account individually coz If you try get all mail when ur offline then youll get a bunch of dialogs complaining about the online hosts not being found

  • Shubhrakant

    I have been a great fan of TB for the past 3 years now. I have moved the entire organisation on to TB in the last 3 years now. But with TB3, I am all set to exit TB in favour of another upcoming opensource solution with better features and stability than TB3. In fact thanks to TB for forcing me to look out for something better. Had it been for the way the things were with TB2, then I would never have done that. The problem with TB2 is that all the new add-ons or upgrades to Lightning are being designed for TB3 only. So if I stay with TB2 then I will have to live with the never upgrading set of add-ons.

  • Geoff Burmeister

    Good morning, I habe been a user for Netscape and then onto Thunderbird, I just purchased a new desk top Windows 7 , loaded Thunderbird 3 and lost connection to my ADSL line, when I opened my mail half was gone including inbox, yet sent items are there. Luckly I have my mail file stored in a seperate folder. My problem is I cannot get it to bring up all my mail files. I have reinstalled the program but still no luck. CAn someone please advise me as to what I am doing wrong? Geoff gvf@mweb.co.za

  • Starky

    It’s true, Thunderbird 3 is terrible. Other than the issues that everyone has already talked about, I hate that I can’t remove the buttons from within the header, the reply, delete, etc buttons. What a tremendous waste of space. The UI of TB3 sucks.

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