Comments on: OpenMac – And Why It’s Going to Fail http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/ Helping Normal People Get Their Geek On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Garry Bradleyhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9726 Garry Bradley Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:13:45 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9726 Im going to "Best Buy" on sunday. I going to walk up to the first salesman I see and say, "I would like to license some of your software"! He will probably say,"We don't license software, we sell it". Im going to “Best Buy” on sunday. I going to walk up to the first salesman I see and say, “I would like to license some
of your software”! He will probably say,”We don’t license software, we sell it”.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9666 Andrew Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:07:50 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9666 Lespaul: You certainly have a point, but it requires that you accept the idea that what you're buying from Apple is a license and not a product. My point is that we should not necessarily accept that idea in the first place.When you buy a product, the manufacturer has no more claim on what you can do with it. So no, Time *couldn't* legally prevent you from reading the product you own wherever you wanted to.It's back to the main question: Is software a product you buy or a service you license?@zero2dash: How dare you say that! Everyone knows that every Apple product is perfect from its conception through its entire life! If it burns, it's because it's Jobs's will. Lespaul: You certainly have a point, but it requires that you accept the idea that what you’re buying from Apple is a license and not a product. My point is that we should not necessarily accept that idea in the first place.

When you buy a product, the manufacturer has no more claim on what you can do with it. So no, Time *couldn’t* legally prevent you from reading the product you own wherever you wanted to.

It’s back to the main question: Is software a product you buy or a service you license?

@zero2dash: How dare you say that! Everyone knows that every Apple product is perfect from its conception through its entire life! If it burns, it’s because it’s Jobs’s will.

]]> By: Pillaihttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9658 Pillai Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:44:10 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9658 You know what, you are now just another Mac fanboy, justifying every single piece of s***t Apple pulls off. And how is your opinion now the official PCM stance on the issue? I would consider you biased. Apple get away with screwing any and all who buy their products simply on the bsis of an EULA, and when another company (read MS) tries to put certain conditions on the use of their software, guess who is first in line to complain and bitch about it?The MC vs. PC ads were the worst piece of advertising I have ever seen. If you truly have to bash someone else to try to sell your product, perhaps you are better off not selling it in the first place. You know what, you are now just another Mac fanboy, justifying every single piece of s***t Apple pulls off. And how is your opinion now the official PCM stance on the issue? I would consider you biased.
Apple get away with screwing any and all who buy their products simply on the bsis of an EULA, and when another company (read MS) tries to put certain conditions on the use of their software, guess who is first in line to complain and bitch about it?

The MC vs. PC ads were the worst piece of advertising I have ever seen. If you truly have to bash someone else to try to sell your product, perhaps you are better off not selling it in the first place.

]]> By: Lespaul20http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9654 Lespaul20 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:28:28 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9654 Andrew - your analogy isn't quite an analog.The EULA is an agreement between the user and provider of the software. This happens all the time in business. When leasing an car/apartment you are agreeing to buy the right to use the car/apt in the terms that you have both agreed upon. If the Times or Pixar wanted to do that with their product, unless there is a specific laws preventing them, they have every right to. It wouldn't be good business so they don't and they have nothing to loose by not doing it. Andrew – your analogy isn’t quite an analog.

The EULA is an agreement between the user and provider of the software. This happens all the time in business. When leasing an car/apartment you are agreeing to buy the right to use the car/apt in the terms that you have both agreed upon. If the Times or Pixar wanted to do that with their product, unless there is a specific laws preventing them, they have every right to. It wouldn’t be good business so they don’t and they have nothing to loose by not doing it.

]]> By: zero2dashhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9653 zero2dash Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:33:20 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9653 I guess someone should refer you to the countless complaints of leaking G5s and the fire hazard MacBook and iBook complaints (complete, in some cases, *with an actual fire*).I haven't seen any widespread reports of problems with $400 eMachines and Acers from Best Buy. I guess someone should refer you to the countless complaints of leaking G5s and the fire hazard MacBook and iBook complaints (complete, in some cases, *with an actual fire*).

I haven’t seen any widespread reports of problems with $400 eMachines and Acers from Best Buy.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9651 Andrew Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:54:16 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9651 "Apple created OS X and therefore, like it or hate it, they can dictate the terms of use..."Hmm -- I don't know how true that is. It goes to the question of "Did you buy that software or just license it?"A better analogy might be: What if Time said you couldn't read the magazine in Cincinnati? Or Pixar said you couldn't play your copy of Toy Story on a Samsung DVD player?The response "If they wanted to impose those restrictions, they could" doesn't hold up well. I bought the magazine (or DVD), and I'll do with it what I please, thankyouverymuch.The RIAA is trying to make the argument "You're licensing that music, not buying a CD" and we all know what we think of *that* argument.... “Apple created OS X and therefore, like it or hate it, they can dictate the terms of use…”

Hmm — I don’t know how true that is. It goes to the question of “Did you buy that software or just license it?”

A better analogy might be: What if Time said you couldn’t read the magazine in Cincinnati? Or Pixar said you couldn’t play your copy of Toy Story on a Samsung DVD player?

The response “If they wanted to impose those restrictions, they could” doesn’t hold up well. I bought the magazine (or DVD), and I’ll do with it what I please, thankyouverymuch.

The RIAA is trying to make the argument “You’re licensing that music, not buying a CD” and we all know what we think of *that* argument….

]]> By: Ghttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9649 G Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:23:14 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9649 They did say as much as an 80% mark up, but if you read a bit more they also say that the 499 version they offer is 1/5 the price of a comparable apple computer, so thats just a 20% mark up, but still significant none the less. WHat i would like to see from one of these computer blogs is a comparison, before going and dogging a company about skirting faulty legislation and challenging an overly expensive company, lets do a comparison..is it just a pile or could it be decent. For the price you could buy 4 of them over the course of your 3 to 4 year average computer lifespan. I've had my mac for 4 years and it's taken one nose dive already, and if i didn't have coverage i would've been out 2 grand. do the math... They did say as much as an 80% mark up, but if you read a bit more they also say that the 499 version they offer is 1/5 the price of a comparable apple computer, so thats just a 20% mark up, but still significant none the less. WHat i would like to see from one of these computer blogs is a comparison, before going and dogging a company about skirting faulty legislation and challenging an overly expensive company, lets do a comparison..is it just a pile or could it be decent. For the price you could buy 4 of them over the course of your 3 to 4 year average computer lifespan. I’ve had my mac for 4 years and it’s taken one nose dive already, and if i didn’t have coverage i would’ve been out 2 grand. do the math…

]]> By: Sam-for-Linuxhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9643 Sam-for-Linux Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:44:23 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9643 The "you get what you pay for" is true, but when you buy a mac, you pay for all the included software. The Dell XPS M1530 configured similar to MacBook Pro is about $500 cheaper... And dare I say that the XPS is a high quality laptop.Anyway, comparing your MacBook pro against the "typical Best Buy PC" is hardly fair. We all know Macs are premium, so compare them to premium pc's, not base line ones.I dont care much for paying $500 for a Mac apply on the back on my laptop.The price of the "OpenMac" sounds about right. If you look around, thats about the price of all the components if I were to build one similar.(newegg) C2D 2.2 ------------ $120.00 (crucial) 2gb 667 ----------- $65.00 (newegg) motherboard GMA950 - $70.00 (newegg) 250gb 7200rpm HD --- $75.00That adds up to $350, so $50 left over for powersupply and case. This is cutting it close, but they can probably get hardware for cheaper elswhere.Thanks The “you get what you pay for” is true, but when you buy a mac, you pay for all the included software.
The Dell XPS M1530 configured similar to MacBook Pro is about $500 cheaper… And dare I say that the XPS is a high quality laptop.

Anyway, comparing your MacBook pro against the “typical Best Buy PC” is hardly fair. We all know Macs are premium, so compare them to premium pc’s, not base line ones.

I dont care much for paying $500 for a Mac apply on the back on my laptop.

The price of the “OpenMac” sounds about right. If you look around, thats about the price of all the components if I were to build one similar.

(newegg) C2D 2.2 ———— $120.00
(crucial) 2gb 667 ———– $65.00
(newegg) motherboard GMA950 – $70.00
(newegg) 250gb 7200rpm HD — $75.00

That adds up to $350, so $50 left over for powersupply and case. This is cutting it close, but they can probably get hardware for cheaper elswhere.

Thanks

]]> By: OpenMac & Psystar Reeks of A Publicity Stunt » David Risleyhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9641 OpenMac & Psystar Reeks of A Publicity Stunt » David Risley Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:54:12 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9641 [...] was writing a post this morning over at PCMech about OpenMac and why it’s going to fail. As I wrote that post, I had this nagging feeling in the back of my head that this was a complete [...] [...] was writing a post this morning over at PCMech about OpenMac and why it’s going to fail. As I wrote that post, I had this nagging feeling in the back of my head that this was a complete [...]

]]> By: David Risleyhttp://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9635 David Risley Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:22:28 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/openmac-and-why-its-going-to-fail/#comment-9635 Not all PCs. But, many. For example, I'll pit the enclosure of my Mac Pro up against your typical Best Buy PC any time. There are just many more cheaper options available with PCs. But, sure, if you go up to Mac Pro level pricing on the PC side, you're going to find quality stuff. Regardless of Mac or PC, the "get what you pay for" rule is true. Not all PCs. But, many. For example, I’ll pit the enclosure of my Mac Pro up against your typical Best Buy PC any time. There are just many more cheaper options available with PCs. But, sure, if you go up to Mac Pro level pricing on the PC side, you’re going to find quality stuff. Regardless of Mac or PC, the “get what you pay for” rule is true.

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