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		<title>By: vista_xp_linux_osx</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-27309</link>
		<dc:creator>vista_xp_linux_osx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im generally a windows user but this author is way too biased, to the point of dragging in other applie products to refer to in an article that is supposed to be focused on the OS. I came looking for some honest and long term opinions of OSX from the windows side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im generally a windows user but this author is way too biased, to the point of dragging in other applie products to refer to in an article that is supposed to be focused on the OS. I came looking for some honest and long term opinions of OSX from the windows side.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Vegas</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-15647</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Vegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I posted, to be fair, my system has started to run a lot smoother. Thanks to updates perchance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I posted, to be fair, my system has started to run a lot smoother. Thanks to updates perchance.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Vegas</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-15287</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Vegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it, but I suspect that there is something radically wrong with Leopard. I&#039;ve been using Mac os for a decade without drastic issues. I find Leopard impossibly neurotic. 

Yours buggily, after my third consecutive restart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it, but I suspect that there is something radically wrong with Leopard. I&#8217;ve been using Mac os for a decade without drastic issues. I find Leopard impossibly neurotic. </p>
<p>Yours buggily, after my third consecutive restart</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Menga</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-10556</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Menga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just replying to say I didn&#039;t read your comment; it&#039;s WAY too frickin&#039; long. Try not writing a dissertation next time. Thanks in advance for not being another anonymous internet retard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just replying to say I didn&#8217;t read your comment; it&#8217;s WAY too frickin&#8217; long. Try not writing a dissertation next time. Thanks in advance for not being another anonymous internet retard.</p>
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		<title>By: disturbed reader</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-10536</link>
		<dc:creator>disturbed reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! It&#039;s good to see the debate is going on as who is better. I find it kind of ironic that so many are basing their decisions about what OS is more superior on personal experience rather than objective data. That is the aspect that I find disappointing to this blog.
Here&#039;s my two cents for what it&#039;s worth. 
Michael Moore - &quot;Nevertheless, thanks for posting the truth.&quot;  What truth? that Dave is not having much luck with his new computer? Keep reading.
Rich Menga - &quot;I personally witnessed Dave&#039;s Mac Pro lock up...&quot; Okay and what does this prove other than Dave is having rotten luck with his new computer.
Anders Pors (a little too excited) said that 2,164,000 Macs were sold and that 2 million copies of Leopard were sold in a week. Of all the computers that are now using Leopard, I would be interested in the following:
-What percentage of the people using Leopard are having problems getting it to &quot;Just Work&quot; for them?
-How many of those having problems are those who got a clean install?
-How many of those having problems upgraded from Tiger? If it is an upgrade, what kind of system do they have? (in other words, which model do they have?)
-How do these questions about Leopard compare to Vista?
-What is the overall average experience for the users of both OS&#039;s and the rate of satisfaction?
These would seem to be of more objective value when discussing the credibility of a new OS from personal experience. Personal experience only gives credit or devalues for a person those statistics depending on how that opinion is valued.
As &quot;Required Name&quot; put it, when Tiger first came out, there were bugs. I experienced some of them. But they were resolved rather quickly. Because of my positive experience with Apple in this regard, I have great faith that they will resolve issues that may come up. I have just loaded Leopard two days ago and have not had a hitch yet (in case anyone might be interested). In fact, it has improved the performance of my eMac which isn&#039;t all that &quot;great&quot; of a computer to begin with, so I am very pleased. But discussing the credibility of an OS, you can&#039;t just go into it with one experience, especially when it&#039;s personal. If it&#039;s good, your looked at as being biased. If it&#039;s bad, your also looked at as being biased. All I have seen here is that Fusion and Time Machine don&#039;t work for you. One of which isn&#039;t even an Apple product. How does this objectively discredit that &quot;it just works&quot; as an overall OS? You said so yourself that you are still able to get things done.
I am glad to see Dave that you are still working at it and trying to figure it out. I do not have an Intel processor for my computer, so I am not able to use Fusion. As far as I know, Fusion is originally a PC software ported for Mac. How do you know the problem isn&#039;t with Fusion? (There are other ways to port without Fusion. My dad partitioned his hard drive so that he can use Apple on one and Windows on the other and has had great success.) Time Machine is a feature that I think is a great idea, but to backlog my system every hour is not something I wanted to happen. So I have disabled it. I am not sure if I intend to use it as there are many free backup programs that do the same trick.
At any rate, you said that Apple got some things right about it being faster and the ease of use. For the average person who uses their computer to write papers, email/text message/instant message their friends, view images in iPhoto, or listen to music with iTunes, it is a great computer.
Personally, of all my friends, I find that those geekified enough to spend the time doing it, build their own computers and are the only ones who can seem to get Microsoft to work for them. The average person doesn&#039;t know are even have the time, and that is what makes Apple great, for the average user, &quot;it just works&quot;. And that is my personal humble opinion on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! It&#8217;s good to see the debate is going on as who is better. I find it kind of ironic that so many are basing their decisions about what OS is more superior on personal experience rather than objective data. That is the aspect that I find disappointing to this blog.<br />
Here&#8217;s my two cents for what it&#8217;s worth.<br />
Michael Moore &#8211; &#8220;Nevertheless, thanks for posting the truth.&#8221;  What truth? that Dave is not having much luck with his new computer? Keep reading.<br />
Rich Menga &#8211; &#8220;I personally witnessed Dave&#8217;s Mac Pro lock up&#8230;&#8221; Okay and what does this prove other than Dave is having rotten luck with his new computer.<br />
Anders Pors (a little too excited) said that 2,164,000 Macs were sold and that 2 million copies of Leopard were sold in a week. Of all the computers that are now using Leopard, I would be interested in the following:<br />
-What percentage of the people using Leopard are having problems getting it to &#8220;Just Work&#8221; for them?<br />
-How many of those having problems are those who got a clean install?<br />
-How many of those having problems upgraded from Tiger? If it is an upgrade, what kind of system do they have? (in other words, which model do they have?)<br />
-How do these questions about Leopard compare to Vista?<br />
-What is the overall average experience for the users of both OS&#8217;s and the rate of satisfaction?<br />
These would seem to be of more objective value when discussing the credibility of a new OS from personal experience. Personal experience only gives credit or devalues for a person those statistics depending on how that opinion is valued.<br />
As &#8220;Required Name&#8221; put it, when Tiger first came out, there were bugs. I experienced some of them. But they were resolved rather quickly. Because of my positive experience with Apple in this regard, I have great faith that they will resolve issues that may come up. I have just loaded Leopard two days ago and have not had a hitch yet (in case anyone might be interested). In fact, it has improved the performance of my eMac which isn&#8217;t all that &#8220;great&#8221; of a computer to begin with, so I am very pleased. But discussing the credibility of an OS, you can&#8217;t just go into it with one experience, especially when it&#8217;s personal. If it&#8217;s good, your looked at as being biased. If it&#8217;s bad, your also looked at as being biased. All I have seen here is that Fusion and Time Machine don&#8217;t work for you. One of which isn&#8217;t even an Apple product. How does this objectively discredit that &#8220;it just works&#8221; as an overall OS? You said so yourself that you are still able to get things done.<br />
I am glad to see Dave that you are still working at it and trying to figure it out. I do not have an Intel processor for my computer, so I am not able to use Fusion. As far as I know, Fusion is originally a PC software ported for Mac. How do you know the problem isn&#8217;t with Fusion? (There are other ways to port without Fusion. My dad partitioned his hard drive so that he can use Apple on one and Windows on the other and has had great success.) Time Machine is a feature that I think is a great idea, but to backlog my system every hour is not something I wanted to happen. So I have disabled it. I am not sure if I intend to use it as there are many free backup programs that do the same trick.<br />
At any rate, you said that Apple got some things right about it being faster and the ease of use. For the average person who uses their computer to write papers, email/text message/instant message their friends, view images in iPhoto, or listen to music with iTunes, it is a great computer.<br />
Personally, of all my friends, I find that those geekified enough to spend the time doing it, build their own computers and are the only ones who can seem to get Microsoft to work for them. The average person doesn&#8217;t know are even have the time, and that is what makes Apple great, for the average user, &#8220;it just works&#8221;. And that is my personal humble opinion on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Windows Vista Turns One Today &#187; PC Mechanic</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-7524</link>
		<dc:creator>Windows Vista Turns One Today &#187; PC Mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] give me? Then, when Apple released OS X Leopard, I went out and bought a Mac. I went through a few hiccups, but eventually concluded that OS X indeed is everything Vista should have been and more. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] give me? Then, when Apple released OS X Leopard, I went out and bought a Mac. I went through a few hiccups, but eventually concluded that OS X indeed is everything Vista should have been and more. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-7207</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leopard is terrible,
Yeas it has some good features and all, it crashes alot.

I used to like apple products (Tiger was good), apple is just turning into another Microsoft i am going back to Ubuntu.

and my next laptop definitely wont be a mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leopard is terrible,<br />
Yeas it has some good features and all, it crashes alot.</p>
<p>I used to like apple products (Tiger was good), apple is just turning into another Microsoft i am going back to Ubuntu.</p>
<p>and my next laptop definitely wont be a mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Best PCMech Posts of 2007 &#187; PC Mechanic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best PCMech Posts of 2007 &#187; PC Mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OS X Leopard - Apple’s Vista? After I migrated to the Mac and used Leopard for a bit, I was frustrated by it. First Vista, then Leopard. For the record, I have flipped my stance on Leopard since and I&#8217;m pretty happy with it. Leopard blows Vista away. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] OS X Leopard &#8211; Apple’s Vista? After I migrated to the Mac and used Leopard for a bit, I was frustrated by it. First Vista, then Leopard. For the record, I have flipped my stance on Leopard since and I&#8217;m pretty happy with it. Leopard blows Vista away. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bdwilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-3801</link>
		<dc:creator>bdwilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Others, perhaps you are one, just enjoy the challenge of taming a less friendly system.&quot;

All OS&#039; need taming, but with Linux at least I don&#039;t have to pay for the privilege of doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Others, perhaps you are one, just enjoy the challenge of taming a less friendly system.&#8221;</p>
<p>All OS&#8217; need taming, but with Linux at least I don&#8217;t have to pay for the privilege of doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: WeezulDK</title>
		<link>http://www.pcmech.com/article/os-x-leopard-apples-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-3786</link>
		<dc:creator>WeezulDK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried, and supported Macs and PCs for years. I don&#039;t like Apple&#039;s mentality, and never will. They&#039;re childish, controlling, and restrictive. 

I don&#039;t buy into Apple&#039;s &#039;sheeple&#039; mentality, I believe in choice of hardware, and I believe in education of how a computer works before just putting someone in front of one and expecting it to &#039;just work&#039;. That&#039;s leading to a &#039;dumbing down&#039; of PCs for people. 

Put it this way... Apple is so dead set on forcing people to do things &#039;their way&#039; that if you load up Itunes on an XP machine, you can&#039;t even resize the window according to the guidelines put forth by Microsoft.  And that&#039;s just something really *stupid*.

You either do things their way or no way.  Not so in Microsoft/Linux/Unix worlds. 

If you are that lazy that you have to have everything done for you, then please, stop using a computer, because I hate to sound elitist, but whatever happened to actually learning how a computer works in order to use it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried, and supported Macs and PCs for years. I don&#8217;t like Apple&#8217;s mentality, and never will. They&#8217;re childish, controlling, and restrictive. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy into Apple&#8217;s &#8217;sheeple&#8217; mentality, I believe in choice of hardware, and I believe in education of how a computer works before just putting someone in front of one and expecting it to &#8216;just work&#8217;. That&#8217;s leading to a &#8216;dumbing down&#8217; of PCs for people. </p>
<p>Put it this way&#8230; Apple is so dead set on forcing people to do things &#8216;their way&#8217; that if you load up Itunes on an XP machine, you can&#8217;t even resize the window according to the guidelines put forth by Microsoft.  And that&#8217;s just something really *stupid*.</p>
<p>You either do things their way or no way.  Not so in Microsoft/Linux/Unix worlds. </p>
<p>If you are that lazy that you have to have everything done for you, then please, stop using a computer, because I hate to sound elitist, but whatever happened to actually learning how a computer works in order to use it?</p>
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