Comments on: Upgrading From Ubuntu 8.04 To Ubuntu 8.10 – Part 2 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/ Helping Normal People Get Their Geek On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:37:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: You Shouldn’t Upgrade Operating Systems | PCMech http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20506 You Shouldn’t Upgrade Operating Systems | PCMech Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:00:15 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-20506 [...] files you manually edit or services you stop/restart or reboots you perform. Or maybe the OS won’t load properly at all. But when you install fresh, ta-da… everything works like it’s supposed to and you can [...] [...] files you manually edit or services you stop/restart or reboots you perform. Or maybe the OS won’t load properly at all. But when you install fresh, ta-da… everything works like it’s supposed to and you can [...]

]]> By: Bill http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16848 Bill Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:08:53 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16848 Sorry to hear about you mishap, but you just demonstrated why many say Ubuntu is no good, shoddy installing. Here's the magic secrets: 1 You MUST download the complete ISO with Firefox + Downthemall, a top download manager, for a good MD5. 2 test MD5 with Hashtab. 3 Burn & verify with Imagburn, then check the MD5 of the disc. 4 provide an executive directory of 10GB, for safety. 5 Be absolutely obsessive with a perfect install, so you can only do this from a perfect disc. Regards Bill. Sorry to hear about you mishap, but you just demonstrated why many say Ubuntu is no good, shoddy installing. Here’s the magic secrets: 1 You MUST download the complete ISO with Firefox + Downthemall, a top download manager, for a good MD5. 2 test MD5 with Hashtab. 3 Burn & verify with Imagburn, then check the MD5 of the disc. 4 provide an executive directory of 10GB, for safety. 5 Be absolutely obsessive with a perfect install, so you can only do this from a perfect disc.

Regards Bill.

]]> By: Ami G http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16571 Ami G Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:35:29 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16571 Same problem here. Tried upgrade, no X. Bizarrely, I would get the GUI boot screen, but instead of the X login screen just the prompt. Read your post and reinstalled from live CD. Worked like charm! Installed all my software and reboot - perfect! Then update and reboot - no X!!! Tried all the above tricks, can't get a GUI. What's going on? Same problem here.
Tried upgrade, no X. Bizarrely, I would get the GUI boot screen, but instead of the X login screen just the prompt.
Read your post and reinstalled from live CD. Worked like charm! Installed all my software and reboot – perfect! Then update and reboot – no X!!! Tried all the above tricks, can’t get a GUI. What’s going on?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16521 Patrick Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:56:22 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16521 Hi Rich, I was leery about doing the upgrade because I have one of the ATI Radeon 9550 video cards that they were saying aren't working properly. I followed the instructions in the release notes (disabling the Hardware driver) and performed the upgrade from the Upgrade Manager. Aside from it asking me to keep or replace some customized scripts, I had no problems at all. Of course I also waited until the second or third day after it was released, so that may have been a factor. In fact I even activated the driver that Ubuntu recommended from ATI for my card, and it worked perfectly. Now, I just need to get my MSI TV@nywhere to show up properly, so I can get MythTV to work. I haven't looked at your entire post to see if you checked into the known issues and release notes. If not, I would suggest that and try again. If you have, then I would suggest trying it again and filing bugs for everything that you encounter. If they're duplicated, then you'll just emphasize that it needs to be fixed, and add more information that may help solve the problems. Plus, by now they may have the kinks worked out of the upgrade process. Have a great day:) Patrick. Hi Rich,
I was leery about doing the upgrade because I have one of the ATI Radeon 9550 video cards that they were saying aren’t working properly. I followed the instructions in the release notes (disabling the Hardware driver) and performed the upgrade from the Upgrade Manager.

Aside from it asking me to keep or replace some customized scripts, I had no problems at all. Of course I also waited until the second or third day after it was released, so that may have been a factor.

In fact I even activated the driver that Ubuntu recommended from ATI for my card, and it worked perfectly. Now, I just need to get my MSI TV@nywhere to show up properly, so I can get MythTV to work.

I haven’t looked at your entire post to see if you checked into the known issues and release notes. If not, I would suggest that and try again. If you have, then I would suggest trying it again and filing bugs for everything that you encounter. If they’re duplicated, then you’ll just emphasize that it needs to be fixed, and add more information that may help solve the problems.

Plus, by now they may have the kinks worked out of the upgrade process.

Have a great day:)
Patrick.

]]> By: Rich Menga http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16393 Rich Menga Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:20:09 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16393 Said honestly I wish I was the only one who had install issues like I did. To hear someone else had identical problems is not good. Said honestly I wish I was the only one who had install issues like I did. To hear someone else had identical problems is not good.

]]> By: Neil http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16296 Neil Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:31:51 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16296 Hi there, Rich your not alone, this exactly I repeat exactly what happened to me during the upgrade process. I'm just downloading the Ubuntu 8.10 iso now to start a fresh install. Neil Hi there,

Rich your not alone, this exactly I repeat exactly what happened to me during the upgrade process. I’m just downloading the Ubuntu 8.10 iso now to start a fresh install.

Neil

]]> By: Tim http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16263 Tim Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:37:17 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16263 I've been using gnu/linux for years and have messed around with Ubuntu since the 5.10 release. I'm not a Linux expert to any measure, but I'm comfortable working for the shell and have had my experiences with bad installations over the years (but only one Ubuntu). I've always managed to fix problems (eventually). I've also had success doing upgrades. Additionally, I run newer hardware all from major vendors--not bleeding edge but none of it more than a year and half old--so hardware should never be an issue. This is all to say that if I'm not pleased with this migration to 8.10, many people are suffering similar problems. I'm not pleased. I began with an upgrade only to get stalled running local boot scripts, I tried launching x from a virtual terminal to no avail. Eventually I just gave up rather than waste my whole night. I moved on to a clean install. This got me up and running but I wasn't able to get nvidia drivers installed. The depositories lacked vlc, stunnel, pan...I stopped looking for the rest. I have a feeling this may partially have been due to server congestion? Whatever. Again, I'd now wasted another hour and had a crappy looking box. So I turned to the Ubuntu forums. Lots of defensive recriminations from diehards telling people not to rant (STFU please). Another common rebuttal to an angry upgrader was along the lines "I can't understand why you would even try upgrading to a none LTS release if your were concerned about performance." Okay, these jackasses must not remember that we used not to have LTS releases...they were called releases. I've never noticed a difference in quality between the two types, I simply figured the additional support was meant to help businesses move to Ubuntu. Apparently regular releases are now to be viewed as betas. Good to know. Now why not call them that????? I'm back to a fresh install of 8.04 which, I'm once more happy with. But, I like updating to get new functionality. I don't do experimental, alpha, or beta or overnight builds specifically because even though I like new features, I like a working system first and foremost. I thought canonical was directing this rapid release schedule to allow EXACTLY this to happen. I.e, I may not get the very latest and greatest with an ubuntu, but I get stability in the major releases. This did not happen this time. I'm furious for wasting my time. This was a disaster and has to be changed in the future. As of now, for any of you considering an 8.10 install...don't do it. Even if you don't have another install, do 8.04.1 and update it (do NOT upgrade to 8.10). My system couldn't be more straight forward...1 drive, nvidia card (specifically chosen for linux support), no wireless card, nvidia chipset, x2 athlon, 1 gb of memory, running the i386 build (don't like worrying about support for A64 compile). Don't believe me? Check out the Ubuntu install forums (although threads are supposedly being locked and deleted). 8.10 is not ready. I’ve been using gnu/linux for years and have messed around with Ubuntu since the 5.10 release. I’m not a Linux expert to any measure, but I’m comfortable working for the shell and have had my experiences with bad installations over the years (but only one Ubuntu). I’ve always managed to fix problems (eventually). I’ve also had success doing upgrades. Additionally, I run newer hardware all from major vendors–not bleeding edge but none of it more than a year and half old–so hardware should never be an issue. This is all to say that if I’m not pleased with this migration to 8.10, many people are suffering similar problems. I’m not pleased.

I began with an upgrade only to get stalled running local boot scripts, I tried launching x from a virtual terminal to no avail. Eventually I just gave up rather than waste my whole night. I moved on to a clean install. This got me up and running but I wasn’t able to get nvidia drivers installed. The depositories lacked vlc, stunnel, pan…I stopped looking for the rest. I have a feeling this may partially have been due to server congestion? Whatever. Again, I’d now wasted another hour and had a crappy looking box. So I turned to the Ubuntu forums.

Lots of defensive recriminations from diehards telling people not to rant (STFU please). Another common rebuttal to an angry upgrader was along the lines “I can’t understand why you would even try upgrading to a none LTS release if your were concerned about performance.” Okay, these jackasses must not remember that we used not to have LTS releases…they were called releases. I’ve never noticed a difference in quality between the two types, I simply figured the additional support was meant to help businesses move to Ubuntu. Apparently regular releases are now to be viewed as betas. Good to know. Now why not call them that?????

I’m back to a fresh install of 8.04 which, I’m once more happy with. But, I like updating to get new functionality. I don’t do experimental, alpha, or beta or overnight builds specifically because even though I like new features, I like a working system first and foremost. I thought canonical was directing this rapid release schedule to allow EXACTLY this to happen. I.e, I may not get the very latest and greatest with an ubuntu, but I get stability in the major releases. This did not happen this time.

I’m furious for wasting my time. This was a disaster and has to be changed in the future. As of now, for any of you considering an 8.10 install…don’t do it. Even if you don’t have another install, do 8.04.1 and update it (do NOT upgrade to 8.10). My system couldn’t be more straight forward…1 drive, nvidia card (specifically chosen for linux support), no wireless card, nvidia chipset, x2 athlon, 1 gb of memory, running the i386 build (don’t like worrying about support for A64 compile).

Don’t believe me? Check out the Ubuntu install forums (although threads are supposedly being locked and deleted). 8.10 is not ready.

]]> By: Upgrading From Ubuntu 8.04 To Ubuntu 8.10 - Part 3 | PCMech http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16252 Upgrading From Ubuntu 8.04 To Ubuntu 8.10 - Part 3 | PCMech Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:55:51 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16252 [...] My upgrade didn’t work but my new 8.10 Ubuntu is freshly installed. Here are the immediate things I noticed from my [...] [...] My upgrade didn’t work but my new 8.10 Ubuntu is freshly installed. Here are the immediate things I noticed from my [...]

]]> By: laolitan http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16251 laolitan Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:39:18 +0000 http://www.pcmech.com/article/upgrading-from-ubuntu-804-to-ubuntu-810-part-2/#comment-16251 My own experience of the upgrade, although not free of problems, was a lot less troublesome. I have a fast broadband connection and as such, the download took less than 15 mins. There was a problem with one of the applets (Evolution)and once all was done and dusted,I had to reinstall a couple of drivers. All in all, I think it went well !! My own experience of the upgrade, although not free of problems, was a lot less troublesome.
I have a fast broadband connection and as such, the download took less than 15 mins. There was a problem with one of the applets (Evolution)and once all was done and dusted,I had to reinstall a couple of drivers.
All in all, I think it went well !!

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