Vista vs XP: Where is Windows Going?

Last week, I wrote up a quick article discussing my reasons for downgrading from Windows Vista to Windows XP on my primary desktop. I was taken aback by the comments. Some agreed with me and some took it upon themselves to attack me for saying it. Instead of shrinking from anything, I decided to debate them in the comments. I was accused of spreading propaganda. I was accused of not being computer literate and using shoddy reasoning to take shots at Windows Vista. I responded to each of these, but I was really left wondering why this subject drives people to get so defensive.

My Response

Before I go on, I will first make a few things clear. I know I am in a position where what I post can sway people to or from a particular operating system. There are a lot of people who read what I say here on this site. So, I know full well that if I bash Vista, there are some who will make decisions based on that. That said, I am glad I moved back to Windows XP on this machine. And it comes down to one thing:

Windows XP Simply WORKS! Period. Case closed.

I can’t say the same for Windows Vista – yet. And that is my qualifier here. Windows Vista IS better than XP was when it was first released to the public. With XP, it really wasn’t until after SP2 that it became as solid as it is. So, good effort, Microsoft. But, the thing is that as it sits now, Windows XP SP2 is a more stable and faster operating system than Windows Vista.

If you get Windows Vista on a fully proprietary machine pre-loaded, chances are it will work fine. And that is because the manufacturer has ironed out all the driver issues for you. But, if you buy Vista off the shelf and load it onto your machine yourself (proprietary or not), you may run into trouble. Some of the commenters in my last article kept brining up third-party software and drivers as the point of blame. They have a point, but it is short-sighted to say Microsoft is just an innocent pawn in this game. Vista is an absolute beast of an operating system, larger than any other OS in Microsoft history. The development time line kept getting pushed back and things were changing the entire time. In other words, the development time frame of Windows Vista was anything but straight-forward. Yes, they had a long beta period with Vista. But, it was a beta period wrought with unpredictabilities. If a company is trying to program solid drivers for such an operating system, it is hard to do so in such an environment.

Are third party drivers at fault for Vista instability? Yes, some. But, I think Microsoft didn’t exactly help with that problem with the constant delays of an RTM version of Vista. And enough things changed internally with Vista that some software needs overhaul in order to work properly. I know when I moved to Vista I had to upgrade at least two major applications I used just to get it to function under Vista. You multiply this issue out across the wide array of system configurations and software titles on the market and you can see why there are so many people having instability issues with Windows Vista. A search for “vista problems” on Google will give you almost 42 million results!

So, I don’t completely blame Microsoft for this problem. But, some of that blame does indeed sit at the door of Redmond. Absolutely.

Where is Windows Going?

For me, this is the question. Windows has evolved to a point where it is a beast that has built up over the years, almost to the point where I don’t even know if Microsoft fully understands how it works anymore. It strikes me as an operating system that started out with a core kernel and then got buried over time with corrections upon corrections, patches upon patches, almost to the point where Microsoft is losing sight of where it is going with this thing. In fact, in the Wikipedia entry talking about the development of Windows Vista, it states:

In a September 23, 2005 front-page article on The Wall Street Journal, Microsoft co-president Jim Allchin, who had overall responsibility for the development and delivery of Windows, explained how development of Longhorn was “crashing into the ground” due in large part to the haphazard methods by which features were introduced and integrated into the core of the operating system, without a clear focus on an end-product.

Is Windows bloated? Yes. Is it probably now too internally complicated? Yes. Windows is now a core OS that is buried so deep in little features, utilities, and system specific features that it now requires a full DVD just to fit in (as Windows Vista does). Logic usually tells you that power comes with simplicity. And as Windows moves further from it’s simplicity, my gut tells me that it will only become less powerful. Unix is so powerful and popular in intense server environments because it is simple and stable. Windows is not, and I personally have not used a Windows server that did not crash and become problematic over time.

Windows Vista is a good operating system that will get better over time, despite it being on bloated ground. Yes, at this point, I’m happy with XP. XP works. Vendors have dealt with any idiosyncrasies so that most everything works fine under Windows XP. Vista is not at that point yet. It will get there. But, then what are we left with? A big, beefier version of Windows that doesn’t really do anything new, but looks good.

Where Windows is going depends greatly on how Microsoft handles their next release of Windows. In my opinion, I think Windows needs to return to it’s core values. It needs to simplify. It needs to drop the bloat and drop some of these arcane features that could just as easily be done by third-party or even Microsoft add-ons. But, add-ons, nonetheless. I also think the next version of Windows needs to drop some of it’s backward compatibility. See, Microsoft tries to make Windows all things to all people. While the hardware requirements continually increase, they make an effort to make Windows backward compatible with a whole range of older software. The problem is that this leads to more bloat and code relics that can lead to problems.

I think Windows needs a ground-up rewrite. Other tech pundits agree as well. Bring it up to the times (like Vista) but without having to also run everything else under the sun. It will alienate some, but that is called evolution.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if we ever saw a Windows core which was based on Unix? Probably will never happen, but I can dream.

Microsoft is At a Crossroads

If Windows continues to bloat unabated, I think the Windows brand will subside over time. You will begin to find more Windows virtual machines rather than Windows as the primary OS. More computing activity is going online anyway. People want things that work and are simple. And lightweight is usually the better way to go. Perhaps we will eventually see more Linux machines running Windows in a virtual environment. We are already seeing more Apple computers running Windows inside of Parallels. Will this trend continue?

I hope that Vista represents the last beast version of Microsoft Windows. We don’t need a car with more bells and whistles. We need a car that just works – every time you use it. Sometimes a Honda Civic is just more reliable than the fanciest Ford. With the next version of Windows after Vista, let’s hope they give us a Honda Civic and not a Hummer.

If they do that, driver manufacturers will have an easier time. Microsoft themselves will have a MUCH easier time and it won’t take almost 6 years to develop a questionable upgrade. And users will be happy. At least I will be.

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  • J-guy

    Hi,
    I really liked your article. Instead of Just being Vista or Mac Biased you have a pretty valid point. To me the bottom line is simple. Xp Works (I have a laptop(mac), and my desktop was vista – downgraded to XP Pro).
    Recently i had to buy a new OS. I decided to go mac – simply because i have used it, and i haven’t had any trouble at all, My printers, games and software works FINE with mac. Although it may seem like im Mac sided, im not. I actually think for some reason, i have a feeling that MS works better on the Apple platform.
    So seeing i have owned both OS i think at the moment, Mac > Vista. To be honest, if you think of buying a new computer. Go Apple Leopard and buy parallels.

    Also, I would take a civic over a hummer any day. Works, and also i cant afford the gas guzzling hummer.

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  • The Fish

    I agree with this article. I am a Linux-only, kinda guy. I have XP installed for those rogue programs, but I mainly stay out of it. Every problem that I run into when I want to run something, I find a fix. While everyone is flaming David, you’re not listening to what he said. To get Vista to work reasonably, you have to find fixes and patch this and update that. With Win XP SP2, I haven’t had to patch anything in a long time to get a program to work. Read what he types before you go and attack his opinion.

  • Bo

    After wrestling with other’s Vista systems I knew I did not want it.
    I just bought a new home computer. I usually build my own but I went with a cheap Dell that I’ll beef up later because they are the only ones that would let me have XP. HP would not let me have XP. Does Bill own HP also?

  • Dave

    Is XP Word compatible with the Vista version. Someone I know has just got a Vista laptop and on her work XP PC can’t access the Vista Word files she did her stuff on. Is this normal? Sorry to ask such a dumb question but I can’t find an answer elsewhere.

    Thanks

  • Poopstainthevistaandxp

    yeah, i just read David’s comment to sales guy. He’s right you know, salesguy. Posting a comment like that without inside knowledge–that’s like, well, telling somebody how to do their job. I don’t know what you do for a living (unless you’re a bum and have no job. I don’t know–that’s on you if yes or no), but wouldn’t you find it irritating if a guy on welfare who never did a day of work in his life came up to you and said “Dude, you’re doing it wrong… idiot, you’re not suppose to do this, or that, or whatever, bla bla bla” I’d get irritated anyways if somebody did that. I’d at least want to know they work BY MY SIDE and know what they’re talking about before they state an opinion about my work. even though everyone is entitled to their opinion, it’d still upset me cuz they don’t work with me. Really frustrated. Then again, i think I just told Microsoft how to do their job–well anyways. That’s my hypocritical moment for the day. I love America–we all get a chance to be a little hypocritical. But this is off the point. Don’t care about hypocrisy. Anyways. This is between David and sales guy. I just wanted to be nosy for a sec. and bud in because nobody can do anything about it. which felt good. Made me laugh in the privacy of my own home… and that’s it. I had fun.

  • Poopstainthevistaandxp

    FS??? “There’s nothing bloated about Vista. If you don’t like the new features, don’t use them, but they don’t bloat or bog or slow down the kernel.” DON”T USE THE NEW FEATURES ARE YOU CRAZY??? THE FACT THAT THOSE FEATURES EXIST ON THE OPERATING SYSTEM IS BAD ALONE!!! Like the google desktop–I was once asked if i wanted to install it. Well, hmm. That’s nice that I have an option to put on my computer WHAT I WANT. I spent like $800 for this pile of hardware and I can’t decide what I wnat on it? No, instead, I have to simply “LIVE WITH IT” you say. Fine we the people of pc users will live with it as you suggest oh wise and all knowing. but you have to pay for all our costs okay? And share the burden of our rage when something exists on our harddrive that we don’t want there. Like a google desktop–oh wait, google was the nice people who respected our freedom to decide. Thanks google!!!

  • Poopstainthevistaandxp

    so no, Silicon Avatar, we are not talking about the same thing over and over. There is a difference between xp and xp sp2. Either way, it all costs too much. I need a desktop right now, and I can’t freaking afford one!!! And when I actually save my pennies for one, gues what? I open the box, spend a few moments on it, and suddenly have problems! This is what fustrats me, and then people make comments to live with it, work to find the drivers, work to get it workING. I know what you all are saying, but I also know the justice in this matter. This is why I posted so often here. It is a very bothersome topic for me. In my opinion, i think Microsoft should include a second “UPDATE” feature like automatic updates.This second feature does the work for me when i’m trying to find the latest drivers for my hardware. I play games, and my video card and such require the latest drivers. Well, Microsoft SHOULD do the work for us, and so should all the other manufacturers.

  • Poopstainthevistaandxp

    Dell, Linux, Apple, Microsoft, Toshiba, HP, E-machines, Gateway, and all you who tie in with these sorts of businesses… i and consumers pay lots of money for things like this. Its all too expensive! And I can understand things aren’t going to %100 perfect. This isn’t what i’m saying–problems aren’t really the issue for me, and i’m not sure about others. My issue is that I pay so much for these products and even while ordering something like when i orderd this laptop $800! I asked if I could keep off that extra advertisment crap, they said no. That’s not right!!! I don’t think that’s being fair to the custumer!!! And when an opperating system such as Vista is so huge that it confuses me, and I contact Acer and HP and request XP instead of Vista (i know how to use xp) I get very angry. That isn’t right!! How long down the road till XP is no longer sold on shelves like we don’t find 98 anymore sold–we have problems with an operating system–illiterate computer users may not want to purchase a computer again–because none of us are really being respected as customers like we deserve! I got better treatment in Wal-mart than I did when I was making a deal with Dell, E-machines, and HP. I just get fed-up is all. These opperating systems should just work at least well enough I don’t have a computer to fix problems isntead of the main reaosn for buying one (TO USE IT?) No, I buy one to fix issues. THis isn’t right at all.

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  • Jake

    What about XP Pro x64 vs. Vista? Do you think the driver issues that exist with both are about the same. Which OS would you choose?

  • chris

    Guys, i have a real doubt when i read all the articles that speaks about vistas greatness. Do we really need to upgrade to a system with a powerful processor and gigs of memory for the OS??
    Does that makes sense? I mean, the applications that i run hardly needs that high end configuration. I mean, that does not makes any sense. To all those guys who are getting carried away in the Vista wave, Plz come back to reality, i know hardware prices are on a decline, but that is not a excuse to put a crappy product into the market.

  • ace

    fact xp is better than vista but windows itself is a poor OS full of security holes the idea of a unix based windows OS wouldnt be bad at all but why deal with MS problems when there plenty of better OS out like linux freeBSD mac OS X and so on grant it nothing will ever be perfect but windows has been always full of glitches, security holes and other problems why deal with it i got fed up with vista because
    the two words i saw the most was “not responding” i wanted to throw my laptop at the wall then i installed ubuntu and all was good but im going to buy a mac anyway i say get a mac

  • SIA

    Heh. Sounds to me like all you people just don’t want to buy a decent computer, and would rather keep your crappy four-year old E-Machines surplus systems. I, personally, have had NO problems whatsoever with my Dell Inspiron 1520. Got it for $800 around Christmas, with Vista Home Premium installed. Works a heck of a lot better then XP ever did.

    Apparently, you all see a different Start button then that disgusting Teletubby one in XP, and your “mentally challenged” brains go haywire.

    ~SIA

    • ace

      sia you must love fixing problems since you love vista thats all ive ever done on my vista machine in fact i had the task bar dissapear once and no matter what i did what short cut i tried i wouldnt kome back and couldnt do much since it wasnt there after a few hours it froze so plus some windows would just close for no reason what kan i say windows is going to hell i think so as i said get a mac

      • SIA

        Hey. I don’t love Vista. It has its share of problems. I’m just saying that people need to stop acting like you all are.

        That’s the reason Vista is buggy: it has to support people like you that want to run ancient programs on new operating systems and vice-versa.

        I don’t have to fix anything on my laptop, pretty much. A few things break, but hey, that’s technology. The first time I booted XP, I was stuck for an hour when the “Next” button vanished. The first time I booted Vista, it was perfectly fine and ran like a charm.

        Evolve or be buried. That’s what I say.

  • d metcalf

    you’re right about someone, like me, using your information to decided the os on a new laptop. I’m going to grad school and I don’t need the hassle of trying to figure out if my laptop will work. I’m currently using xp, and I’m ok with this because I know enough people to get me “un-stuck”. thank you for your honesty,
    “D”

  • Bo

    Vista is just such a resource hog with a high price tag, and I still have to purchase Word to do word processing, it is just sickening. MS Office with some simple file storage underneath is all many people need.
    The real pisser, is that Vista is being forced through HP and Dell, unless you jump through some hoops to get XP. I hope the stain their name enough to give some competition some room in the market.

  • BEDABALL

    About 7 months ago i purchased a acer aspire pc with vista home premium installed. i was very exited about this because i had played around with a Vista demo at bestbuy and it seemed like an awsome os. so I took it home and everything worked fine for about a month. i am a hardcore gamer who was playing games such as call of duty 4, and rouge spear (newest.) and then the compatability issues sttarted. first I attempted to play silent hunter III when i did, I discovered vista wouldnt read the StarForce security program on the game. i tried running it as an admin and it worked, problem solved. then i started trying to run older games (98 and 2000) and thats when the ever presistent,”This program has known compatibility issues with this version of windows” message started appearing. so in my opinion Vista is a good machine for bussines use but it is one of the worst os’s for gaming I have ever used.

  • Ramon

    For 300 dollars .. I EXPECT it to be PERFECT

  • zomicon

    My two cents: I need to buy a new laptop because my old one stopped working. I do most of my work on a desktop I built in 2002 that runs XP. At that point it was a very performance oriented machine, near the top of the line, but built with a definite eye toward value. I realize that even the cheapest laptop will crush my old desktop in terms of performance, but I keep waiting to buy a new rig mostly because of the vista vs. XP debate.

    Bottom line: my old rig does everything I need it to do (web, word, excel, etc, occasional games + statistical analysis) and I know where everything is and how to fix it on my XP system. I was even able to play Witcher at low buy acceptable FP with a modest graphics upgrade. So I NEED a new laptop but I just don’t want to deal with the potential vista problems…I don’t want to buy a new printer, or router, or external hard drive, because they all work fine. Why should I have to upgrade my peripherals because my new lappy has Vista instead of XP?

    I am actually thinking of buying a Mac. Definitely not a fan boy, but I find myself thinking that I could run Leopard AND XP on the same machine without having to adopt Vista…yes, I am that scared. I hate bloat and I am tired of “features” that do nothing but complicate what used to be simple tasks. What do I care if the GUI is better? It would probably just piss me off anyway, because I already know how to do it all with my current system.

    Give me a true improvement or nothing…and by the way, bahh to all the security improvements…run the occasional virus scan and don’t open executables that are emailed and you are pretty much okay (at least in my experience).

  • mello

    I agree with David (author)….XP jsut let me do almost everything i need. I have used Vista of my friend’s PC…i think its only eye candy.. for me XP is just as user friendly for me as Vista with a different taste and style…

    Vista will give you a little edge over Xp from a different perspective…That perspective is subjective with different persons…

    But for me that EDGE will not push me to use Vista..My old Athlon XP 2.6 with 256MB and bro’s and dad’s both latest & ultra faster acer Core2 Duos run by XP.

    SIMPLY XP PRO SATISFIES MY EVERY NEED!

  • mark

    Thanks David
    Its refreshing to see what I believe is a balanced view of the two systems xp/vista. I have currently purchase a new laptop and had no choice in it’s os, so I got vista for the first time.
    I will agree with all of your discussion, vista is a hog. I am comparing it to my current desktop which runs xp pro and for all the normal day to day running xp represents the bar to which vista is yet to reach.

  • Patrick

    i just dont understand why hardly any companies offer windows xp and instructions for a vista upgrade when vista does become the better OS (as is bound to happen)
    which is really the big issue here: we spend hundreds of dollars on these machines and we should be able to do something as simple as have XP be on the computer and save all the hassle. then again microsoft can afford to have a few enemies

  • RJ

    dude this article is like a breath of fresh air.
    it’s great to hear someone finally telling the truth Microsoft and their total and utter sleazyness. Windows has always been a fat and bloated OS, as was MS-DOS before it. something that will put things in perspective for you guys, the first version of Linux(command-line) made by the guy we all know and love, Linus, was much more powerful than Windows XP in terms of multitasking and long-term performance, with a ratio of 1:32(L:W) footprint on your hardware!!!!

    the bottom line: Linux is the One True Operating System of our time!!!

  • RB

    That’s crap about the 42 million problems in google search. There’s just over a million searches for vista problems as opposed to 750 thousand in XP. Simply because XP has had a LOT of time for getting stabilised. Vista is definitely much better with SP1 than XP with SP3. Face it guys, Vista’s the future… XP is outdated. Even games these days come with a “Games for Windows” logo which means it is optimised for Vista…not XP..XP’s gone, done, finished, over, out of the running. Vista rules..!!!!

    Proud owner of Vista Home Premium

  • Teri

    Dear editor,
    From my limited experience with Vista, compaired to XP, I have to agree with you;that XP

    works better than Vista (as far as my own personal experience). one of the main programs

    that I used was Photo Shop, which I cannot seem to get to work from Vista, and my anti

    spy and firwall is all messed up. Maybe it’s my own doing, but until I setitchwed to

    Vista, I never had any problems. sometimes we should just “leave well enough alone”.

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