Thanks for the info. I'll consider this. I'd still like to pick up a 3dfx based card to test out some stuff and maybe send in a few tidbits of info to you folks as my cousin, Floppyman, does. He just tested out my new T-Bird in fact (not my car, i do have a ford thunderbird too =D). Overclocked from 700 to 900 using Alpha cooler and ran it stable at 1.85 for a while i think. bah, he'll send you the info on that sometime. Thanks again!