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Mafud · 11-26-2000, 01:27 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SARGE
[B]Washington, D.C......no gun whatsoever allowed.
Highest murder rate in the world.]

That is a lie you ought to stop telling.

[Libs think outlawing something produces the results it wants.
Wha they REALLY do is pass laws, don't enforce them]

That is the job of the courts, not "Libs."
But the absolute reason murders and other violent crime have gone through double-digit reductions all over the country?
You don't have the slightest clue, not one.
Reason? In November 1993 a new federal crime bill was enacted. On February 28, 1994, the "Brady Law" took effect. Since the two laws were enacted, 238,000 FFL (Federal Firearms License) holders have been put out of business. Most of these guys were selling out of their homes, Post Office boxes, gun shows, personal transportation, (mostly windowless vans).
They could buy a Titan semi-automatic pistol for $31 and sell it out of the back of a van for $75 and up.
Tens of thousands of these so-called "kitchen table" dealers (ATF name for them), were criminals themselves, whereupon with the provisions of the new laws in hand, ATF, the Secret Service and FBI had a (two year) field day, swooping in on the "Kitchen table" dealers and lifting their licenses.
Tens of thousands of them lost their licenses because of misdmeanor domestic violence covictions.
As the "kitchen table" FFL dealers disappeared off the scene, as fewer and fewer of the handguns usually sold by them vanished, violent crimes began to drop. By 1997, violent crimes usually committed with firearms were also dropping by double digits all over the country, including DC.
Young Africana males, the usual easy targets of "kithen table" dealers, saw the rate of their deaths from firearms spiral down by 35% PER YEAR in some places.

Both laws caused turmoil in the ranks of FFL dealers, espcially "kitchen table" dealers. When the smoke cleared in early 1999, violent crimes, especially murders (among and between young Africana males) hit their lowest level in 27 years. New York City recorded five straight years in violent crime decreases and finally, its murder rate stopped going up and dropped from more than 1,800 a year to less than 700. The same thing for DC and other major metroplitan areas.
**My city saw 58 people killed in 1993. This year, we will end up with 25-28, most of them committed with deadly objects other than firearms, cars and aluminum baseball bats among the leading instruments, arson lingering in fourth place.
In 1993-1994, our community lost 37 young black males. The score this year? 4! Last year? 4!
The numbers regarding violent crimes are down all over the country due to the wholesale wiping out of the "kithen table" FFL dealers.
**FFL dealers with "hardtops" (permanent business locations) were unaffected by the new laws, (unless they had criminal convictions, including domestic violence)and their sales are up for the fifth straight year.

The doom the NRA talked about when many "assault rifles" were outlawed? Nothing! The "good" (hardtop) dealers are selling more guns every day and for full price. Why?
Those undercutting "kitchen table" dealers with their cheap guns are not out there stealing sales from the "good" dealers.
Overall, the "Liberals" done good, while Repulicans/NRA can only think of building new jails.

What was that you were saying about passing laws and nor enforcing them? Wasn't it Clinton's administration who urged (blackmailed states)into passing stricter sentancing laws? And getting them passed? Clinton and the boys locked up most of the really bad guys, which also greatly contributes to the massive drop in violent crime.
Now all someone (Bush/Gore) has to do is stop the drugs, major causes of crime, from flowing into the country.

[rant deleted]

Sarge, (I was once "Sarge" too: 1/503rd Airborne [heavy weapons]; and 1/8th Recon Company [Cav], you have not had an original thought for years. Your brain is NRA/Republican/Right Wing pudding.

I'm through talking about guns with you.

11-26-2000, 01:27 AM	#28
Mafud Member (5 bit) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 29	[QUOTE]Originally posted by SARGE [B]Washington, D.C......no gun whatsoever allowed. Highest murder rate in the world.] That is a lie you ought to stop telling. [Libs think outlawing something produces the results it wants. Wha they REALLY do is pass laws, don't enforce them] That is the job of the courts, not "Libs." But the absolute reason murders and other violent crime have gone through double-digit reductions all over the country? You don't have the slightest clue, not one. Reason? In November 1993 a new federal crime bill was enacted. On February 28, 1994, the "Brady Law" took effect. Since the two laws were enacted, 238,000 FFL (Federal Firearms License) holders have been put out of business. Most of these guys were selling out of their homes, Post Office boxes, gun shows, personal transportation, (mostly windowless vans). They could buy a Titan semi-automatic pistol for $31 and sell it out of the back of a van for $75 and up. Tens of thousands of these so-called "kitchen table" dealers (ATF name for them), were criminals themselves, whereupon with the provisions of the new laws in hand, ATF, the Secret Service and FBI had a (two year) field day, swooping in on the "Kitchen table" dealers and lifting their licenses. Tens of thousands of them lost their licenses because of misdmeanor domestic violence covictions. As the "kitchen table" FFL dealers disappeared off the scene, as fewer and fewer of the handguns usually sold by them vanished, violent crimes began to drop. By 1997, violent crimes usually committed with firearms were also dropping by double digits all over the country, including DC. Young Africana males, the usual easy targets of "kithen table" dealers, saw the rate of their deaths from firearms spiral down by 35% PER YEAR in some places. Both laws caused turmoil in the ranks of FFL dealers, espcially "kitchen table" dealers. When the smoke cleared in early 1999, violent crimes, especially murders (among and between young Africana males) hit their lowest level in 27 years. New York City recorded five straight years in violent crime decreases and finally, its murder rate stopped going up and dropped from more than 1,800 a year to less than 700. The same thing for DC and other major metroplitan areas. My city saw 58 people killed in 1993. This year, we will end up with 25-28, most of them committed with deadly objects other than firearms, cars and aluminum baseball bats among the leading instruments, arson lingering in fourth place. In 1993-1994, our community lost 37 young black males. The score this year? 4! Last year? 4! The numbers regarding violent crimes are down all over the country due to the wholesale wiping out of the "kithen table" FFL dealers. FFL dealers with "hardtops" (permanent business locations) were unaffected by the new laws, (unless they had criminal convictions, including domestic violence)and their sales are up for the fifth straight year. The doom the NRA talked about when many "assault rifles" were outlawed? Nothing! The "good" (hardtop) dealers are selling more guns every day and for full price. Why? Those undercutting "kitchen table" dealers with their cheap guns are not out there stealing sales from the "good" dealers. Overall, the "Liberals" done good, while Repulicans/NRA can only think of building new jails. What was that you were saying about passing laws and nor enforcing them? Wasn't it Clinton's administration who urged (blackmailed states)into passing stricter sentancing laws? And getting them passed? Clinton and the boys locked up most of the really bad guys, which also greatly contributes to the massive drop in violent crime. Now all someone (Bush/Gore) has to do is stop the drugs, major causes of crime, from flowing into the country. [rant deleted] Sarge, (I was once "Sarge" too: 1/503rd Airborne [heavy weapons]; and 1/8th Recon Company [Cav], you have not had an original thought for years. Your brain is NRA/Republican/Right Wing pudding. I'm through talking about guns with you.