good specs?

[Computermaniac]

CPU • Supports 64-bit AMD® Athlon™ 64 processor (Socket 754)
• Supports 3400+ or up
• 800MHz Hypertransport interface
Chipset • nVIDIA® nForce3 250Gb Chipset
Memory • Supports 3 slots for 184-pin DDR SDRAM DIMM modules.
• Supports the memory size up to 2GB.
• Supports unbuffered DDR 400/333/266.
Expansion Slots • One AGP (Accelerated Graphics Port) 1.5V 4X/8X slot
• Five 32-bit v2.3 Master PCI bus slots (support 3.3v/5v PCI bus interface).
IDE • An IDE controller on the nVIDIA nForce3 250Gb chipset provides IDE HDD/CD-ROM with PIO, Bus Master and Ultra DMA133/100/66 operation modes.
- Can connect up to 4 IDE devices
Serial ATA Supoprt up to 4x Serial ATA 150
RAID - RAID 0 or 1, 0+1
- RAID function work w/ATA133 + SATA H/Ds, SATA H/Ds or ATA133 H/Ds
Back Panel I/O Connectors - 1 serial port
- 1 parallel port supports SPP/EPP/ECP mode
- 1 audio jack (5-in-1), coaxial/fibre SPDIF out
- 4 USB 2.0 ports
- 1 RJ45 LAN jack
- 1 IEEE 1394 connectors
Integrated Video N/A
Integrated Audio • 7.1 channel audio codec RealTek ALC850.
- Compliance with AC97 v2.3 Spec.
- Meet PC2001 audio performance requirement.
Integrated LAN • nVIDIA® nForce3 NV Gigabit LAN controller
- Integrated Fast Ethernet MAC and PHY in one chip.
- Supports 10Mb/s, 100Mb/s and 1000Mb/s auto-negotiation operation.
- Compliant with PCI v2.2.
- Supports ACPI Power Management.
Integrated 1394 • Supports up to 3 x 1394 ports.
- Transfer rate is up to 400Mbps
- Controlled by VIA VT6306 chipset
System BIOS • The mainboard BIOS provides "Plug & Play" BIOS which detects the peripheral devices and expansion cards of the board automatically.
• The mainboard provides a Desktop Management Interface (DMI) function which records your mainboard specifications.
Additional Features • nVidia Firewall Technology
• Live BIOS/ Liver Driver Update
• "DigiCell" & "CoreCell" supported
• D.O.T (Dynamic Overclocking Technology)
Form Factor ATX
Dimensions 12" x 9.6"

[Kov-Ice]

Who is the manufacturer would be the more important question. You want a well-built mobo as it's the foundation for the rest of your system.

[|/|/1CK3D1337]

It also kinda depends on what other parts you're going to be running on it but yeah it manufacturer is very important like asus is one of the best.

[kram 2.0]

The specs match up perfectly with the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-457&depa=0">MSI nForce3 250 Chipset K8N NEO Plat</a> Motherboard. Motherboards, which I reiterate, depend partially towards its specs and partially towards the motherboard maker's reputation for quality. As we have said in the past many times to you, get this board if you can convince yourself that it is a quality board - we can't stop you as it is your decision.

kram

[Computermaniac]

well thanks for ruining it kram...

i was trying to get an answer of the what the motherboard can do, not the name of it :mad:

by the way asus only makes n force 2 and via sucks- tin canary, a man of great knowledge about computers.

by the way, have u ever had an msi board? and besides u use intell boards

[Tin]

computermaniac...im not trying to flame you or anything, but you need to chill out a bit, we're here offering you a little guidance. we're a community here...im no better than the next guy. we are all here to help, but if you keep throwing a tantrum when somebody tries to help you, you will get the cold shoulder, or worse yet, face a possible ban from the forums. a majority of us are experienced builders and know which parts are quality and which are not. it appears you are making a few people angry, so try to keep the outbursts to a minimum. we are suggesting parts to you....its your duty to do the research for those parts on your own. there are tons of FAQs, reviews, and user reviews on anything you could possibly want. google is a very useful tool. im not a god nor do i know everything about computers...im just a guy that likes to help out.

now back on topic....personally, i have had nothing but great success with MSI. i almost always use MSI when i do a build for somebody else and everybody seems pretty happy. as far as i know, and from what ive read, MSI is one of the better makers of the A64 motherboards. remember, research your parts very thoroughly.

[HAL9000]

Computermaniac... I'm gonna step in here and ask you to tone it down... I have had a couple of complaints now that you are asking for advice on a board, then just arguing about said board when responses aren't what you want them to be.... so cool off the arguments and if you think that your choice is all that... then by all means go with it... 'nuff said.

[ric449]

You started a thread before for the same topic, but either way I'll help you here as well.

MSI had their problems with capacitors, like the rest of the motherboard industry. This was because of an incomplete design, and it happened to a lot of manufacturers. MSI was hit worse, this is why people don't trust them. I haven't heard of any complaints with their new motherboards, and I am using one myself too.

VIA does not suck for Athlon 64. They had a lot of problems with the Ahlon XP, but I have heard nothing but good things about their Athlon 64 chipsets. They are more popular than the nforce chipset at the moment with manufacturers.

[Cricket]

MSI had their problems with capacitors, like the rest of the motherboard industry. This was because of an incomplete design, and it happened to a lot of manufacturers. MSI was hit worse, this is why people don't trust them..Actually, I read that ABIT got it worse than anyone...at least that's what I read on those sites that were tracking the leaking capacitor problem.

:) Cricket

[ric449]

Really? I heard MSI were hit worse... Anyway, just how bad were MSI hit with the problem?

[Computermaniac]

i looked at all the asus boards, i didnt see an nforce 3, but w/e im wrong about everything

[ric449]

Heres an asus nforce 3 if thats what you were looking for:

http://uk.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8N-E%20Deluxe&langs=11

[Cricket]

i looked at all the asus boards, i didnt see an nforce 3, but w/e im wrong about everythingThe ASUS K8N-E Deluxe (http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8N-E%20Deluxe&langs=09) and the ASUS SK8N (http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=SK8N&langs=09) both use the nForce 3 chipsets.

:) Cricket

[kram 2.0]

Ok - Computer Maniac - in attempts to try to end this, I've went to <a href="http://www.zipzoomfly">ZipZoomFly</a> to look up an Asus board. They have a good selection, and are a very reliable supplier. The <a href="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240411">Asus K8N-E DELUXE</a> boasts an nForce3 250GB chipset which you might want to look at. Tell us if you're liking what you're seeing.


Hope that helps,
kram

[Hi Ho]

HERE (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-465&DEPA=0) is an Asus motherboard with an Nforce3 chipset. I really haven't heard much about the Nforce 3 chipsets yet. I have heard nothing but good about the VIA KT800 though.

[kram 2.0]

HERE (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-465&DEPA=0) is an Asus motherboard with an Nforce3 chipset. I really haven't heard much about the Nforce 3 chipsets yet. I have heard nothing but good about the VIA KT800 though.
That's socket 940 - AMD Athlon 64 FX processors.

kram

[Computermaniac]

i need a mobo that will run with my 2800 amd athlon and a 6800 gt

[ric449]

An AMD Athlon 64? If so, the motherboard I suggested will do it, and it has the nforce 3 chipset you wanted. The 6800 GT is AGP, and the motherboard has an AGP slot, so it will run the 6800 GT.

[Hi Ho]

That's socket 940 - AMD Athlon 64 FX processors.
Doh! I always do that. Why are there so many different sockets for Athlon 64? :D

[kram 2.0]

Doh! I always do that. Why are there so many different sockets for Athlon 64? :D
I hear ya - I do that all the time ;). I'm an Intel guy so I usually don't have to deal with it - just three digits - Socket 478 :D.

As for the motherboard of your compatibility, it looks like you prefer the nForce3 chipset - that's fine. I'd recommend what Cricket and I have said back - the Asus K8N-E DELUXE, which goes around 140+ USD, should be what you should be looking at. It's selling at ZipZoomFly if you live in the US States. Just remember - that's going to be a monster of a graphics card - insanely good, but insanely power hungry :).

Hope that helps,
kram

[Cricket]

Gee, how many different sockets do the Athlon 64's come in anyway?

:) Cricket

[Hi Ho]

Hmmm... I count three.

[ric449]

Yep, 754, 939, and 940. It's harder to keep on top of AMD's plans for them.

[bigandy]

Socket 939 is what they're going to be sticking with...at least, I hope.

[Computermaniac]

i cant find the mobo on new egg... maybe im jsut blind but i swear i dont see it

[kram 2.0]

i cant find the mobo on new egg... maybe im jsut blind but i swear i dont see it
You mean the Asus K8N-E Deluxe? It's available at <a href="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240411">ZipZoomFly</a> - another trusted provider along with Newegg. Newegg only has the VIA chipset versions of the Asus board.

Hope that helps,
kram

[swampdonkey]

Sorry, but I can't help noticing that this is the second thread started just to brag about components. I may be VERY wrong, but this is not why these forums exist.

~swampdonkey

[swampdonkey]

By the way, I am with Tin Canary. I have also had nothing but success with MSI mainboards.

~swampdonkey

[Computermaniac]

the asus is 150! im willing to spend that much if its the board im looking after, i want a kick ass gaming machine, im gonna use a 2800 ahtlon 64 bit or a 3000, not sure, with a 6800 gt will this board deliver great preformance with that? if its not better then the msi one, ill just get the msi one because thats only like 115 i think

thx

just as a note, brag about components? man ill tell u what. i know almost nothing about computers, it may seem like im aruging and what not but id just like to know the reason for the answers im givin? dont mean to rub u gyus the wrong way ;)

[kram 2.0]

Well, specs wise, the Asus is about the equivelant of the MSI board. I'd say go ahead with the MSI board as it is your final choice - specs wise, it's pretty good. Thank you for being decisive. Even though I've almost never recommended nVidia graphics cards, I can say for sure that the GeForce 6800GT is going to be one sweet card - 12 rendering pixel pipelines with GDDR3 memory - wish I had that money (*drool*) :D...

kram

[Tin]

Well, specs wise, the Asus is about the equivelant of the MSI board. I'd say go ahead with the MSI board as it is your final choice - specs wise, it's pretty good. Thank you for being decisive. Even though I've almost never recommended nVidia graphics cards, I can say for sure that the GeForce 6800GT is going to be one sweet card - 12 rendering pixel pipelines with GDDR3 memory - wish I had that money (*drool*) :D...

kram
not 12 pipelines...try 16 pipelines :D

[Computermaniac]

whats GDDR3 memory ? is that just like a different kind of ddr ram? do i need to get different ram? :confused: , i was gonnna get 2 512 sticks of ram, lol im such an idiot well im gonna watch family guy, night night

thx

[Vlad16]

whats GDDR3 memory ? is that just like a different kind of ddr ram? do i need to get different ram? :confused: , i was gonnna get 2 512 sticks of ram, lol im such an idiot well im gonna watch family guy, night night

thx

All you need to know is that DDR3 memory is being utilized on the newest video cards (a new generation of memory). Don't bother looking for DDR3 memory for your system memory because you will not find it anywhere.

DDR2 system memory has just been implemented into the new Intel chipsets (motherboards) and the memory isn't running any faster than DDR1. The speed of the memory will obviously increase over time but it will take a little while.

Just pick up two sticks of PC3200 (DDR1) memory as your potential current setup will not support DDR2 memory (only the Intel boards are supporting it right now).

If you were wondering, the VIA chipset for the Socket 754 is the best choice. From the reviews I've seen on the Socket 939, the NVIDIA chipset (a different chipset than the 754 chipset) is the way to go. AMD's latest releases are very confusing so don't worry so much. There's always a member here that can help you out so kill the attitude

[Computermaniac]

k thx guys, i hope the computer i build will be good i just need to decide what parts to get... by the way, ask for no salt on ur fris at mc donalds or ne other fast food, if u got to see how much salts on the scooper thing and everywhere its discusting... but i eat tehre ne way cuz i get free food.. heres a story...

as i got off work.... i took some food with me.. large number 10, thats a mc chicken... got it with out salt, i took a large chocolate shake for me... for some reason i wanted to eat at home to i put everything in a bag and started to ride my bike... as my bike is riding... the bag starts to rip.... the shake is leaking.. its a mess.... then about 400 yards uphill i say screw this and i just put the shake on the ground for a hobo and i put the half eaten mc chicken on the large fries and stuffed it into my shirt and tucked it in... ok after the uphill was done i got a cool ride down... from there i made it home...
as i got home... i took the frys outa my shirt and the mc chiken fell down :mad: then i started to eat some frys... there was so much salt so i just threw them on the ground and laid down on the grass to pet my cat... who came over for a french fry lol... ahh.. the life of a miky d

[Computermaniac]

i might as wel get the msi because the asus is 939 socket or w/e

[Moose on the Loose]

There is an ASUS nForce 3 250 GB with socket 754.

[ric449]

Yeah, the one recommended before:

http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8N-E%20Deluxe&langs=09

[Computermaniac]

show me the money ( link ) :cool:

[kram 2.0]

Asus K8N-E Deluxe nForce3 250GB chipset (143): http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-498&depa=0

MSI K8N Neo Plat. nForce3 250GB chipset (130):
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-457&depa=0


Hope that helps,
kram

[Moose on the Loose]

I read on motherboards.org that the ASUS gives better overall performance as well. I wanted to buy the MSI K8N Neo Platinum at first too, but after Kram and HAL9000 said I had to watch out with MSI boards I did some research. Turns out the MSI card isn't bad, but there are better Mobo's (I think even some VIA chipsets gave better performance than the MSI). If anyone's interested I can see if I can dig up the link somewhere.

[Computermaniac]

that card has to reviews for some reason.. ne way, u told me that new egg didnt have n force 3 asus for 754 sockets.. didnt u? or did they just get them in... also would an 64 3000 be that much better than the 2800... its like 40 bucks more... just wanted your opinion

by the way kram.. lets see some picutres of ur comp when ur done... id love to see it... maybe u could like make a picture tourital of how to make ur system for ppl like me..

[Moose on the Loose]

I dont think I would say anything that has to do with Newegg since I'm from europe and they dont ship outside the USA. You must have me confused with someone else.

[kram 2.0]

Yeah, actually it did come in just last Thursday, if I recall. I swear I checked Newegg for Socket 754 AMD boards, and gave me only VIA chipsets :confused:. And as for the tutorial, I'd be more than happy to post pictures, but tutorials, I don't think I'll have as much time for - sorry :(. Waiting for my last component to arrive from Newegg - in Fedex's hands now, hoping on a Monday arrival :cool:. However, Ric made a very nice <a href="http://ricserv.servebeer.com/byopc1.php">Build Your own Computer Guide</a> for his website that he completed very recently. You should check it out.

[Computermaniac]

just read the guide... im still confused about the static.... u just need to work in a place where theres not carpet and u just need to touch the case right? by the way there wasnt a link to show how to install the amd 2800 64 athlon

thx

[ric449]

From my guide:

"Now, The AMD side of things is a little different. If you are using an Athlon 64, then the heatsink will install like the Intel heatsink."

So just look at the link I put in the guide:

ftp://download.intel.com/support/processors/manuals/p4p478_1.pdf

For static, just make sure you stay connected to your case. It doesn't matter if you are on carpet if you are still connected to your case, people just say keep away from carpet because it means there is less static buildup.

[Computermaniac]

so i need to buy on of those wrist band thingys? where would i get one of those... and how would i use it.. my friend built a computer and never mentioned using one... :confused:

[Panama Red]

Radio Shack and they are optional but highly recommended. Kinda like insurance.

[Computermaniac]

aahh i see, how would i use it and how much?

thx

[Alaron]

They are very cheap: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=276-2397

Simply attach the alligator clip to a metal edge on the case and you will be grounded. When you are grounded, you wont risk electrostatic charges hurting your components. Peace of mind basically.

[Computermaniac]

thx a lot... im sorry to say i might be banned from these forums for simply wondering why some parts were recomended... i got flamed for it... i said some stuff back.. flamed again.. got pissed and said some things that were true but the moderators decided that ppl shouldnt see how valid my point is and not only deleted my post but closed the thread... their like the fcc

thx