Need help setting Bios and copying data to new drive

[marvontherim]

I have a P4 running XP with two hard drives C and D both 40GB. I have run out of space and purchased a new 200GB. I want to copy all the data on disk D to the new drive or remove the secondary slave disk and replace it with a new HD, giving me 3 HD's whatever is easiest. Drive C is NTFS but drive D is FAT. I'm not sure if that is important.
It was suggested to me that I remove a disk drive install the new 200GB drive and copy all data from D drive using the Western Digital Data Lifeguard program. I have more questions than answers. I made a boot disk and rebooted with the Lifeguard program. There are setting pins on the back of the drive but I recieves no jumper. Do I need to change settings? The tutorial refered to problems over 33.8gb. What problems? I rebooted an looked at the BIOS and it dosn't see the new third drive. All drives are WD.

So I need help setting the BIOS to recoginze the third drive, know how and why to particion it and lastly know how to copy data from one to another.
The more I learn the dumber I get.
Help, please
Thanks

[glc]

You need a jumper - the only way a WD will work without a jumper is if it's the only drive on the cable. If there is another drive on the cable, you have to set it to either master, slave, or cable select.

[marvontherim]

glc,

There is a jumper, it is set on the third set of pins from the power cord.
Sorry the older I get the worst my eye's are.
This drive took the place of a disk drive in the secondary slave position.
The cable is a 40 pin not the 80 if that makes a difference at this point.
Sorry for the mis information.
Also this new HD drive has 4 sets of pins. The other HD drives have 5 sets.
according to the cable setting for this new drive it should be in secondary slave position so I repositioned the jumper on the second set of pins from the power cord (3,4).

[glc]

Look on the circuit board under the jumper block - you will see MA SL CS - with a 40 wire you need SL if it's a slave drive and the master drive is jumpered to Master.

In order to see a drive larger than 137gb, your bios must be 48 bit LBA capable and you must have operating system support - Win2K SP3 or XP SP1. If the bios doesn't see the drive, I'd suspect the former - what model is your motherboard?

[marvontherim]

The MOBO is Intel Garibaldi D850GB
Bus 64 bit
3200MB
1 CPU SLOT
5 PCI
1 APG
4 RIMM ATX
i850
OS is XP PRO with service pack 1 installed
I rebooted an checked the BIOS and is sees a drive in secondary slave position
ST 3200822A
Set on Auto
Max 131071 MB
LBA enabled
Multi set 16 sectors
PID Mode 4
Ultra DMA 5

[glc]

1. You need a bios update.

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=N&ProductID=486&DwnldID=4561

This assumes the board is in a generic computer - if it's a Gateway, Dell, Sony, etc. you need a bios update from the computer manufacturer, not Intel.

2. A ST3200822A is not a WD, it's a Seagate.

You should really be using 80 wire IDE cables (Ultra ATA) and cable select jumpering.

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/ref/jumper_settings.html

[marvontherim]

Thanks glc,
I ran the download and a dos window came up and asked if I wanted to extract the file press Y. I did and nothing happened. Is there any way to determin if the BIOS update was successful.
And yes you are correct the HD is a Seagate, the existing HD's are WD.
Sorry
I will change the cable as soon as I get a chance to buy one.

[glc]

It extracted the needed files into the same folder where you ran it. There should be 5 files - desc.txt, license.txt, readme.txt, run.bat, and sw.exe. You need a floppy disk, read the readme.txt file for instructions. If you can't find those 5 files, move the downloaded file into an empty folder and run it again.

[marvontherim]

Of course. The files were on my desktop.
I updated the BIOS and it went just fine. Thanks for your help.
What next?

[glc]

Does the bios show it as a 200 or so gig drive now, or still 131 gigs?

Exactly how do you want to proceed now? Using it as a 3rd hard drive is the easiest, all you will have to do is partition and format it in Disk Management now. If you want to replace a drive, you can use Data Lifeguard to copy another drive (which must be a WD for DLG to work) to it.

[marvontherim]

The BIOS see the drive as a 131mb.
Yes I would like it as a third drive.
In using Disk Manager does it explain how to name the drive and define how to particion. I still don't understand how and why this drive needs to be particioned.
Thanks again for being so patient with me. I do appreciate it.
When I bring up Disk Mgr it showes disk 2 as 186mb? Not sure who is correct Bios at 131, disk mgr at 186, or segate at 200??

[glc]

Okay - 186 is correct. You only need ONE partition that uses the whole drive if that's what you want - right now it's blank. Right click on the unallocated space and create a partition, the wizard will take it from there. A drive cannot be used unless it has a partition.

[marvontherim]

I must be brain dead today. The disk mgr allowed me to initilize the new drive thats all. I still is unpartitioned, named or formated.
What am I not doing??
It gave me the option to convert to dynamic disk I didn't. Should I have? What is it?
Ok I know what Dynamic disk is. The other drive are basic. Can they be converted? Also one drive was set up as FAT can it be converted to NTFS?
OK I have gotten back into the wizard and the disk is being formated as we speak. The section where the other disks show "partition" this disk shows "simple". Is that ok ??

[glc]

When you are done, it should show up as a basic disk, one 186gb NTFS partition, healthy. Don't convert any of them to dynamic, this can cause issues.

FAT can be converted to NTFS if you choose - at a command prompt.

convert x: /fs:ntfs (where X is the drive letter)

[marvontherim]

Is it OK that the new drive is in Dynamic?
The drive is finished it's format. The type is "simple" the layout ie "Dynamic".
Is Dynamic is no good do I have to reformat again?

[glc]

If it's the ONLY dynamic disk in there, I'd recommend converting it back to basic. Right click on the spot where it says it's dynamic.

[marvontherim]

OK it's converted back to basic. the drive has no letter and no partition. Do I have to reformat it over again? The drive show "unallocated".
If I have to fromat from here how do I do it?

[Pagani Zonda]

Marv, I have the same problem with my external 80GB maxtor HD.

glc, on that screenshot see where it says 7.87GB of total space thats what im getting on my 80GB HD how can I make that 7.87GB into 80GB. Ive tried using partionmagic and had no luck. And Iv also tried formatting it several times. Is it supposed to say 7.87GB on the drive manager?

[marvontherim]

Thank you glc for sharing you knowlege with me, I truly appreciate it.
I'm not sure what the problem was but I couldn't get the drive to partition. I closed the programs and rebooted and the disk manager worked just fine. Disk is reformated and I'm coping data to it just fine. I believe the BIOS update was a contributing factor, not so sure why but everything seemed to work better after that.
Learned a lot . thanks again

[glc]

Pagani, please open a new thread, and give us some system details. Your issue is a bit different.