"Bin Laden not a Dirtbag"

[SARGE]

Seems a syndicated journalist took offense and defended him when someone called Osama a "dirtbag". Geez, where do these people come from?

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by SARGE
Seems a syndicated journalist took offense and defended him when someone called Osama a "dirtbag". Geez, where do these people come from?

Sarge, don't take that as offense, but these people come from US.

In 80's, US(prolly you were in this count) supported "that dirtybag".

Any wonder?
It's sometimes called: Change Of Heart

What about Northern Alliance let's say in a few or in 10 years.
Don't say that you don't support Northern Alliance NOW :)

[bob]

He is a dirtdiaper douchebag chunk of flea bait with delusions of godhood, and surrounds himself with lowlife outcast rock wiping assholes whose spark of intellect could not even light a firefly's ass.

[Scotty]

Ditto!

[Kubie]

You took the words right out of my mouth bob.
Carl

[Gintaras]

In 80's Bin Laden was an a Very Best friend to ALL amricans and to ALL VERY "FREE" people.

Today you call it a "dirtbag".
Today- Northern Alliance- a Very Best friends of ALL americans, of ALL "FREE" people.

Just wonder, where you were in 80's, and wonder who should everyone blame just in case Empire State Building gets blown up in let's say 10 years from now:( Hope it won't happen

Quick Fix is a good thing, like it was in 80's.

[SARGE]

Yeah, he was a bud of ours against the Rooskies. We were also buds of Sadam Hussein when Iran junk happened. I believe there are others. Seems we can't pick our friends, except the lesser of 2 evils at the time. No doubt, the NA will be our enemy someday, using weapons we now give them.

BTW, I heard of a poll taken among U.S. women; they think Bin Laden is cute & sexy, and his eyes show he has sincerity. Geez...

[Kubie]

Gintaras,
If I had a very good friend and he did something horrendous to me with the intent to do me great harm, today he would be a dirt bag.
Yes, I was around in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Whats your point? People change, times change. Opinions change.
Carl

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by SARGE
Yeah, he was a bud of ours against the Rooskies. We were also buds of Sadam Hussein when Iran junk happened. I believe there are others. Seems we can't pick our friends, except the lesser of 2 evils at the time. No doubt, the NA will be our enemy someday, using weapons we now give them.

BTW, I heard of a poll taken among U.S. women; they think Bin Laden is cute & sexy, and his eyes show he has sincerity. Geez...

Should you blame yourself for choosing wrong friends, or you blame bad friends that you've coosen?

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by SARGE
Yeah, he was a bud of ours against the Rooskies. We were also buds of Sadam Hussein when Iran junk happened. I believe there are others. Seems we can't pick our friends, except the lesser of 2 evils at the time. No doubt, the NA will be our enemy someday, using weapons we now give them.

BTW, I heard of a poll taken among U.S. women; they think Bin Laden is cute & sexy, and his eyes show he has sincerity. Geez...

But you OK that? Like someone did IT in 80's?
On who's hands blood then now or after(If it will, I hope NOT)will be?

You approve IT, Think about :):(

[SARGE]

I approve what? Carl is correct, it's not his/mine/yours fault if a current friend someday stabs you in the back. We could be faulted if'n we kept turning our back to him though. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by Carlgif
Gintaras,
If I had a very good friend and he did something horrendous to me with the intent to do me great harm, today he would be a dirt bag.
Yes, I was around in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Whats your point? People change, times change. Opinions change.
Carl

Point is:

You choose the friends and you're the one to blame for what fiends you have choosen.

Do you want someone else to blame for your choices?

[pcoopers]

I haven't figured out how to quote someone yet, Qintara said picking our freinds is like choosing the lesser of two evils.

Funny thing is, I feel that way at almost every election!

Only rarely am I sure who stands for what, even more rarely am I sure the winner won't stab us in the back. Few politicians would hesitate to sell all our souls to further his career, or make a few bucks.

They could even sell nuclear missile technology to China!

[mairving]

Originally posted by pcoopers
I haven't figured out how to quote someone yet, Qintara said picking our freinds is like choosing the lesser of two evils.

You can quote someone two ways. One is to click on the quote button in the bottom right of their post. The other is while posting to put it in a couple of quote tags like so:
Quoted text

*** Note I left the e off of the quote just so it would show here.

[Hosie]

I may still be considered young (27yrs old) but am i the only one that thinks the whole world is getting too "touchy feely"? You cant say this cuz it will offend someone, you cant do that cuz someone else might see it and not think its right....sheeez. Osama IS a Dirt Bag, end of story. No touchy feely reporter is gonna tell me other wise.

I am not sure what Gintaras is trying to say, is it our responsibility for our "friends" actions? No more than you are responsible for what i type here...

I support the 2nd Ammendment and i do own firearms. This is not a challenge merely a statement. I believe in this right, like i believe in freedom of speech, and all the other ammendments. I am not challenging anybody's beliefs, just stating my own.

[Tuf]

Yes I agree Osama is not a "dirtbag", he is a P.O.S. of epic proportions. Whether we were friendly with him twenty years or not has nothing to do with anything. Should "we" automatically hate everyone because they are not Americans? Of course NOT. But it is Ignorance posing as Arrogance to pretend that it is America's responsibility because we befriended this Idiot in the past. I find it incredible that someone would infer that the American people are responsible for this fools actions, when I would hazard to guess that 99.99% of all American people had never heard of Bin Laden six months ago and even fewer twenty tears ago. History will record Bin Laden as an Evil Soul and his Supporters as some of the stupidest Morons to ever populate the Earth.
Gintaras I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but it seems like you are trying to seperate yourself from the rest of America. The downside to your point is that America should kill all that is foriegn or in disagreement with her leaves you awfully vulnerable, does it not?
The world is a complicated place but no one with two functioning brain cells could possibly be of the opinion that the United States bears any of the responsibility of this attack.

[Kubie]

Thanks Tuf.
That is the point I was trying to make. You said it a whole lot better then I did.
Carl

[Tuf]

Personally I found it hard to respond to this thread in language that is appropriate for all to read. I spent the majority of my adult life in Naval Special Warfare, much of it in the Middle East. I don't think any response to an attack on our home soil to be too severe. I think the punishment should be heavy handed, and the point made that if you attack the United States that you and your cause will be but a memory. At this point we need to make it clear you don't have to like us or trade with us, but if you attack us we will eradicate your kind from the face of the Earth forever,PERIOD.

[Gintaras]

I am not sure what Gintaras is trying to say, is it our responsibility for our "friends" actions? No more than you are responsible for what i type here...

I know how people do "sometimes" feel about responsability. :(


Gintaras I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but it seems like you are trying to seperate yourself from the rest of America.

Not sure what my point is, but it seems i'm trying to separate myself...
It seems that "not sure".
I'm not even thinking to try, just don't want something like 9/11 happen again.

The world is a complicated place but no one with two functioning brain cells could possibly be of the opinion that the United States bears any of the responsibility of this attack.

World as in "World Series", or as 5 continents? :)
Don't need to make it more complicated place.

by pcoopers(on the other tread):
Right and wrong aside, getting the facts straight is important because:

THEY WHO WON'T LEARN THE LESSONS OF HISTORY, ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF THEIR FATHERS!


Who's RESPONSABILITY might be that this time "friends" are NA.
The very same NA that Bin Laden murdered with the very help of United States and CIA?
Even if they're now "friends", do you think, they did forget who helped Bin Laden to murder them some 15-20 years ago?

Bin Laden is an EVIL.
Just, when you choose friends, you should be careful.

I don't even want to discuss this anymore.
I better agree with anything...

[bob]

Blaming the US in a time of war puts one in the same club as Jane Fonda and Tokyo Rose.

[Hosie]

Gintaras, when you say NA are you refering to the northern alliance? We did not help Bin Laden "murder" then as you say... in fact we were helping all of Afganistan, including The NA if they even existed then, fight against Russia, a foreign state trying to take control of an independant nation. I am begininng to wonder if you even know what you are talking about... I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, as long as it is an INFORMED opinion stated by the facts.

[Gintaras]

I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, as long as it is an INFORMED opinion stated by the facts.

I agree 100%

I am begininng to wonder if you even know what you are talking about..

No, I don't...:) I just happened to be 17-18 y.o. at the time events begun, seen tombstones of those who were killed by Bin Laden & Co. back then, and to ad to that- I wasn't brainwashed by the communist propaganda either.

fight against Russia, a foreign state trying to take control of an independant nation

That's what you were told to believe :(
I was in the same situation, believe me.


As I said in my last post, I better agree to anything...
I made my comment on last quote, but for some reason, wouldn't like to disagree or discuss that.


Best Wishes

[erucader]

Even if Bin Laden was trained by Americans, the attacks were not the US' fault ... I don't think that Bin Laden's hatred towards us comes from a possible friendship at any point.

Also understand that Muslims around the world constantly suffer oppression and it is unfortunate that such a terrible event is required to wake people up to what is happening in the world. I am not a supporter of bin Laden, but I understand what he is doing (and his methods are far too extreme).

By the way, to people who call him a dirtbag and a fool, realise that this
Originally posted by bob
... dirtdiaper douchebag chunk of flea bait with delusions of godhood, and surrounds himself with lowlife outcast rock wiping assholes whose spark of intellect could not even light a firefly's ass....
has accomplished much more that any law abiding citizen will accomplish in their lifetime or the next.

ed

[erucader]

Originally posted by bob
Blaming the US in a time of war puts one in the same club as Jane Fonda and Tokyo Rose.

I know ill probably be killed for this, but why exactly does the US always have to be right?

[mairving]

Originally posted by erucader


I know ill probably be killed for this, but why exactly does the US always have to be right?
You won't be killed for this. Now if you were in Afghanistan under the Taliban leadership, there would be a much higher chance if you accused their government as being wrong.

Besides no one ever said that the US is always right. We have made plenty of mistakes in the past out of naiveity and greed and mere stupidity.

[bob]

I know ill probably be killed for this, but why exactly does the US always have to be right?


Do you think the US is wrong here. Should we become an Islamic country?
The US can make mistakes but that does not make right or wrong.

Canada seems to follow US policy. Does that make them wrong too?

[Sauron]

Well...Bin Laden is err well unfit for such attacks...those planes in my opinion were remote controlled. Goldenheart technology....4 countries possest this tech...USA, Russia, China, and Israel. Middle East does not. Well considering that the older Bush had special agreements with Bin Laden, (mostly billions of dollars) they well may have it now. But, why does America have to bomb the whole country for one man? Blame one mans faults on the whole country? Why can't America send in the CIA? Or some assult team? Or why don't we get Israel to send in the Mossad...they seem to have lots and lots of ideas on how to do that considering they fight rock throwing Palestinians with tanks, special helicopters, bombs, missles. I just don't see why we have to bomb, blowup a country for one man? Suppose he isn't there? So you have hundreds of thousands dead? A mistake? America is supposed to get along with everyone, not show that America is better then everyone else. "Listen jackass, do what I say, or you are history" Sorry for my input, but this is what I believe.

[SARGE]

Huh??

[jessho]

Suppose Bin Laden was a Pit Bull. You have it for years, never bites, doesn't even growl, but one day it takes off half of your kid's face. What do you do?

[SARGE]

Avoid situation to begin with (getting a pit bull). When kids were young we asked a vet for ideas on best dog with kids around. Golden Retriever, hands down by 3 different vets. Same applies to Osama.

[erucader]

well, im not saying the the US is plain wrong, just that the US is to be blamed when they are at fault. in this situation (i hope) they are not.

[KR0316]

Originally posted by Sauron
But, why does America have to bomb the whole country for one man? Blame one mans faults on the whole country?


We aren't bombing a whole country for one man. We are bombing sections of a country that is currently harbouring other terrorists that are trained or in training to kill Americans. We are bombing Al Quaida terrorist training camps that right now have leftover Taliban and Al Quaida members regrouping to strike against us. We have to finish the job because of what we learned from not finishing in Iraq with Bush Sr. Now we have Saddam Hussein also regrouping to strike at us because we didn't finish our objective. These people have vowed to kill every westerner alive in the honor of their god no matter what the means and no matter how long it takes. Sick and twisted as it sounds it is the reality of the whole thing. We are not at war with Osama Bin Laden we are at war with terrorism and he is a good starting point because of his attacks against us in the last few years.

[mairving]

Gee Whiz, bombing a country for one man. Bush made it quite simple. Give us Bin Laden or suffer the consequences. They chose the later. That was a bad decision. So it is not one man, it is a whole network of vile corrupt terrorists in control of a country that we targeted. Hey, I don't see anyone over there sad to see the Taliban gone, except for Omar and Bin Laden.

Where also are the hundreds of thousands dead?
Remote controlled planes, huh?

These are all a part of the Kathaksung conspiracy.

[kraken]

The free world is not just the US. We down under are as guilty of supporting those who bit back as the US is for feeding them.

Propaganda aside, terrorism is the rule of fear. No human or animal on the face of this earth should be subjected to this.

Any intellegent living creature who seeks to rule over others through the force of fear, should be eradicated from the lives of those they seek to oppress.

Bin head is one of those, a collection of garbage thoughts that should be thrown out as trash. An over laden bin spews forth corrupting vile disease ridden junk that only sickens us all.

The only way to clean house is to remove said trash to the pile of rotting stench in the hole in the ground.

Death to terror and all those who hold it dear.

[satan]

Originally posted by SARGE
Seems a syndicated journalist took offense and defended him when someone called Osama a "dirtbag". Geez, where do these people come from?


Look at it from his eyes, there is no evil according to the individuals view of the world. There are injustices, thats what causes violence, injustice and ignorance. Yes, in my view Bin Laden is evil because he killed, and opresses people, but I could see the reason for someone to defend him. Just put yourself in other peoples shoes, what would you do if you lived in poverity like that? You to would be jealous of the aristocracy, us.

[SARGE]

He's never known poverty; he has millions invested worldwide, most in fronts. I believe he has/had mucho in the Central Bank of New York. To his ilk, if you ain't Muslim, you're satan, an infidel. They show no tolerance to other religions, yet enjoy tolerance here for them. If they ever control the free world, bye-bye Christianity and Jewish beliefs, and even atheism. But that's another story.

[satan]

Well, i said bin laden in my eyes is evil. By poverty I meant his followers. I think religion is itself is an evil, and one day we will all be without it. I'm not AT ALL trying to flame religious people, just saying that one day, hopefully humankind will not see the need for them. If we just could take the original idea of america and spread it worldwide. People think that's the stupidest idea, but it seems the only way we can move on. Under the articles of confederation all the states wanted to remain as single nations, but now we see how great we are for uniting. This is my idea of a utopean world, no more hate or war. To bad it's way far fetched. Just instead of fighting violence with violence, find the cause and kill that. I think the cause is ignorance and unequality. So that is what must be changed.

[lovitz]

Osama and Saddam are both pieces of ****. I'm surprised that their own people have not shot them yet.

[SARGE]

The cause is called human nature. Those who exercise self-control don't exhibit the bad tendencies, although the urges are there. Utopia don't exist, never will here, and is just a feel-goodism. Ignorance and inequities are a by-product of the human will.

As for all religion being evil, I disagree. Most laws are in some facet an offshoot of religious teachings, and human nature being what it is, laws are needed. I know of no religious teachings that preach evil. There are religious folks who are evil, but they would be anyway.

[satan]

Originally posted by SARGE
The cause is called human nature. Those who exercise self-control don't exhibit the bad tendencies, although the urges are there. Utopia don't exist, never will here, and is just a feel-goodism. Ignorance and inequities are a by-product of the human will.

That's true. Utopia can only exist in your mind. There will never be equality, people always go for more naturally, survival of the fittest. We are still primitive beings.

Now i'm thinking of this quote i forget where I heard it though, "america has the worst government, except every other government in the world" probally from Thoreau.

[Sumdumgi]

Originally posted by jessho
Suppose Bin Laden was a Pit Bull. You have it for years, never bites, doesn't even growl, but one day it takes off half of your kid's face. What do you do?

KILL IT, GUT IT, EAT IT FOR DINNER!!!

Lets just hope ol binny dies from lead poisoning cuz he aint worth 1 cent of my tax money. Hell, I will even provide the taxidermy for free and make a wall mount out of him. That is as long as our good old Military Force doesnt do to much damage to it.

[chilidog]

There are a lot of interesting points here. I especially like the pit bull analogy.


Think about this for a second. How would the US have reacted if we didn't have a single person to focus are anger against after Sept 11th?


People would be outraged at the government for not finding a mastermind behind the incident. We as a country demand accountability and answers to why things like this happened. By giving us Osama Bin Goatpumper, we have a nice neat target to focus our national anger on. The nation becomes unified, sense of patriotism soars,and I'm just speculating here, but I'll bet Armed Forces recruiting has gone up as a result.

Osama's vision of true Islamic religion is definitely flawed. Our pit bull is frothing at the mouth and I'm afraid we need to put him down.

Incidentally, whoever was spelling American without capitalizing the 'A', take a little more pride in your country.

[Sumdumgi]

Originally posted by satan
I think religion is itself is an evil, and one day we will all be without it. If we just could take the original idea of america and spread it worldwide. Just instead of fighting violence with violence, find the cause and kill that. I think the cause is ignorance and unequality. So that is what must be changed.

Lets not forget America and the ideas: One Nation Under God...

What was you taught about the original idea of America?
I was taught the original ideas of America were founded on the principles of GOD.

I may be wrong but it sounded like you are saying the cause of some violence is religion or that religion is evil? How do you suppose we can go about killing Ignorance, unequality or a faith? Will America outlaw unequality or religion? How do you kill ignorance? Would that make America and other countries safe. Would America be a better place to live? The cause in my opinion is PEOPLE and misguided beliefs or disturbed minds. We all to often try to over analyz the problem at hand. Life really would be simple and safe if we followed the original idea of GOD and spread it worldwide. I believe Utopia takes place in heaven. Religion is not evil, people are evil. Someday we may be without religion but it stands as good of a chance of happening as hell freezing over or peace in the world.

[satan]

Originally posted by Sumdumgi


Lets not forget America and the ideas: One Nation Under God...

What was you taught about the original idea of America?
I was taught the original ideas of America were founded on the principles of GOD.

I may be wrong but it sounded like you are saying the cause of some violence is religion or that religion is evil? How do you suppose we can go about killing Ignorance, unequality or a faith? Will America outlaw unequality or religion? How do you kill ignorance? Would that make America and other countries safe. Would America be a better place to live? The cause in my opinion is PEOPLE and misguided beliefs or disturbed minds. We all to often try to over analyz the problem at hand. Life really would be simple and safe if we followed the original idea of GOD and spread it worldwide. I believe Utopia takes place in heaven. Religion is not evil, people are evil. Someday we may be without religion but it stands as good of a chance of happening as hell freezing over or peace in the world.

Yea, the idea of America is great, the best so far, and so is original thoughts of religions. Religion really has nothing to do with god at one point in time. It's just religions get mixed with politics and power, and yes, that leads to corruption. Religion brings out both the best and worst in people, Salem which trials, Christian church in Europe up to 16-17th century, Spanish Inquisition, and let's not forget what was the reason for 9/11, yes religion. Religions are just another barrier, more reasons that cause intolerance.

I do agree, utopia is found after death, and human nature is "evil". I don't have a relgion, but I do find myself highly religious.

[kraken]

I'm with you satan

All those opposed, lets kill em.

You with me or what. Better answer it right or I will track you down.

And I will find you!

[satan]

Originally posted by kraken
I'm with you satan

All those opposed, lets kill em.

You with me or what. Better answer it right or I will track you down.

And I will find you!

I really hate that "bomb them, and kick their ass" mentality. It makes me embarrassed to be an american when I hear that. We can't move on while being so ignorant, even though we are probally screwed already. War has to be the worst extention of human kind, so lets not go starting more. I wouldn't go to fight if our nation ever drafted, unless we dramatically changed our views on the world. Just my views. BTW, $1,000,000,000,000 is spent on military worldwide, seems like so much money put towards destroying.

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by satan
I do agree, utopia is found after death, and human nature is "evil". I don't have a relgion, but I do find myself highly religious.

"I can't believe it's not butter" :)

I might need to start smoking funny stuff to understand that :)