GW Bush arrested for DUI in 1976

[bob]

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/bush.dui/

Cheers!

[glc]

But he didn't inhale.

Possession and consumption of alcohol is legal - operating a motor vehicle under the influence is not, granted.

Mere possession of a controlled substance is not legal.

I can just hear the Dems plotting how to use this for maximum effect.

Both political parties frankly disgust me. We might as well just elect the publisher of the National Enquirer.

[lil Jimmie]

If I remember this was brought up when Bush Sr. was running for office. BTW GWB has been sober for quite some time now.
And Bush doesn't hide the fact that it happened. One of the wonderful news networks brought it up about a month ago, so If the DEMS wanted to use it why haven't they? Maybe it a last resort! And no he didn't inhale!

[StunGunz]

At least hes not running around in his Super Man underoos claiming he invented life itself.

[bob]

lil Jimmie - He never admitted this. Turn on the news. What else has he not admitted.

He says he did not disclose it because of his daughters. Sound familiar?

[lil Jimmie]

Bob I could be wrong on him admitting it, but I have known about this for about a month I'm trying to remember where I heard about the dui. But It doesn't change my veiw of GWB!

[bob]

A FOXNEWS reporter broke the story a few hours ago. If you knew then the RNC of Bush Camp would love to know your source.

[StunGunz]

I could be wrong! But doesn't pleading guilty pretty much tell the world "Yup! I did it?" . I'm not sure how it works where you come from, but pleading guilty here pretty much says it all.

[K A Hall]

hehe!
I like him even more now. I have done a lot of things in my younger days that I would not want my kids or anybody else to know about.
And:
I never disliked Clinton because he smoked pot. I disliked him for not inhaling. What a waste of good reefer. Oh yeah and there was the way he governed my neighbors to the south.

Yawn!


[Edited by K A Hall on 11-03-2000 at 12:00 AM]

[Kubie]

Still grasping for straws bob?

[bob]

Is Bush grasping for straws - that is the question. Did he ever say he quit doing cocaine? Was he ever arrested - we will see.

[drisley]

I saw this coming a long time ago. the usual "October suprise"...in this case November. I have no doubt this is politically motivated.

Dirty politics. I'm so tired of it. How predictable this is.

[bob]

Originally posted by drisley
I saw this coming a long time ago. the usual "October suprise"...in this case November. I have no doubt this is politically motivated.

Dirty politics. I'm so tired of it. How predictable this is.



Why did Bush not see it? He could have come clean long ago but did not.

[drisley]

how am I supposed to know? But, instead of drooling all over yourself, why can't you see the political timing of this and how it came out of nowhere.

[stylin19]

freepers been talkin about this for awhile. course, nobody ever pays attention to us, cause we are right of the vast right wing. :)
www.freerepublic.com

where you get the real deal.

current rumor is, the story was leaked by a demo convention delegate. ( rumors change every 5 minutes :) )

[Edited by stylin19 on 11-03-2000 at 12:50 AM]

[drisley]

Sorry. What's freepers? =)

Its just that I was fully expecting something either today or tomorrow...something to try to tilt the election back to Gore. Listen, did anyone really think the DNC would just sit there and lose the White House and possibly the Congress? I don't think so.

So, I go out to dinner, get back, and find that, regrettably, I was right on the money.

Unbelievable.

[SARGE]

A non-issue, unless the hungry media makes it one. Difference is, he did it along ago, admits to it, and doesn't lie and twist words (definition of is), etc. For the past 14 years his integrity is unquestioned, compared to his opponent.

Btw, how many parents tell the kiddos everything they did when young? I've kept many secrets, as most folks prudently do.

[drisley]

Stlyin - I'm hearing that too. A DNC delagate apparently baited a reporter up in Maine. She bit, researched the facts for herself with the local courthouse, and ran it, like any dutiful reporter would have. I don't blame her at all, but I do blame the DNC for obvious media manipulation. The Gore campaign says they didnt have anything to do with it. Maybe not directly, but I'm sure their friends in the DNC did.

[stylin19]

sorry drisley...i must have been editing and adding the url to my post, when you posted.

[bob]

Bush can still win. But who will really take him seriously if he does. I remember Animal House - "fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son" Well one out of three is bad.

Who cares if Gore helpers helped break the story. It should have been honestly explained by Bush long ago.

[Kubie]

Quite a few people will take him serious. After all, he will be president. Gonna shake his hand bob?

[drisley]

Originally posted by bob
Who cares if Gore helpers helped break the story.


I do. It speaks volumes about the kind of guy who's running. Bush has ran a dignified race, and no matter what party they are affiliated with, I respect that.

[bob]

Originally posted by Carlgif
Quite a few people will take him serious. After all, he will be president. Gonna shake his hand bob?

Sure. Even hand him a beer, sure he needs one right now. ;)

He says he never ispired to be the president at the time. Ty GWB

[drisley]

See the Ross Perot endorsment?

[lil Jimmie]

Yep! Perot Backing Bush!

[bob]

See the Ross Perot endorsment?

So. Really think a loser has any ability to sway anyone. Look at the party he created and look at who is running now.


I am happy - admit that. Feel sorry for Bush. But I want Gore and this clearly helps.

[drisley]

Its the REASON he's backing Bush.

I wonder if it will help the Gore guys. Really, only an idiot would look at this and NOT think the DNC strategically did this.

Bob, are you so dedicated to Gore that it doesn't matter if his side would resort to this?

It is so staged that I predict, if this doesn't have enough of an effect, we'll see another bombshell before Tuesday. Unless it backfires with people pointing fingers at the DNC. I think a few idiots may question Bush on this, but I think this will serve to energize Bush's base more than it already is.

[bob]

I just hope that Gore campaign does not drink to much tonight and get caught driving.

Bush lied to his family. It is that simple. He admitted that his kids never knew until today.

Is that a way to raise kids. Say not to do something and never say you did it yourself? Kids know when their parents lie. The kids lose respect and repeat their parents mistakes. Admit it this is bad for Bush.

[stylin19]

bob, u r too funny. my kids don't know eveything about me. Is that a lie ?
BTW his daughters are 24.

kids, this one is going to backfire. but never fear, there's probably a few more rabbits up the DNC's sleeve.

[bob]

His daughters are 24. Did not know they were twins. Will take your word of their age.

Hmmmmm 2000 - 1976 = 24.

That is 24 years to tell them the truth.

Yes......Tell me more. Sorry it is very bad for Bush on many levels.

[stylin19]

bob..i'm sorry...his daughters are twins, they are 16 or 17.

[Edited by stylin19 on 11-03-2000 at 02:58 AM]

[clydefo]

The nation sure is lucky that this came out before the election. What else is being covered up? If Bush is elected, will it be one tawdry story after another about his drunken, crackhead past, insider trading, and other self-dealing? He could have revealed this before he ran for President; the eighteen year-old twins he is now hiding behind in his explanations were old enough a year ago to learn that their family had been living a lie.

[PeteS99]

The president never drives anywhere, so who cares about the DUI. Ha.

[Kubie]

clyde, your double standards are amazing.

[StunGunz]

In 1976 I can remember my father having an open container while driving. In fact it seemed to be a social norm until around 1979, when States really started to crack down on the problem. And even then, I can bet not even a handfull of people on this board have "never" made the mistake of driving after drinking. If you never did I commend you, but my freinds of my youth and myself were talking last night after seeing this, and the consensus was "Thank god we never killed anyone else." . I'm not sure on the age, but twenty-four years puts GWB at least in his twenties, and for myself those were the most wild times for me. Whats more important at this point is no one got hurt, he plead guilty, and he learned from his actions.

However Bob, you would rather I change my stance to a man who has been caught lying on numerous occasions. And to top it off he always has an excuse why he fibbed, and still can't be trusted to not do it again.

I heard the reporter on the radio this morning, on a local Boston radio show. She confirmed that she had been told by a Portland police officer that he had over heard a conversation between a judge and a lawyer stating that GWB had been arrested a long time ago. She then confronted the lawyer with this information, who confirmed it for her, and then also informed her that he was a delagate. She also said that while it was a little disconcerting how the information came to her attention, that she was still obligated to report on it.

When I look at it, I see a Union cop, A fishy delagate, and a sad attempt by the Demacratic party to make up ground lost by thier own lack of character. I would fully expect that if this had been Gore, that he would first have claimed that the story was a lie. And once that had been proven to be a lie as well, another would have shortly followed. GWB never lied to his kids on this BoB. He just never bothered to tell them his whole lifes story.

I myself know that my father and 8 of his freinds were forced into the Marines in 1968, but I have never heard what it is they did to deserve it. Nor have I ever asked, or wanted to ask what they all did.I suppose if he wanted me to know the story he would have told me by now. Does this mean that he is any more wrong for not doing so?

[Kubie]

Good point Stungunz. After eight years of Clinton's exploits, the country isn't to interested in something that happened 24 years ago. After all, its Bush's personal business, right? We've heard that so many times.
I see a backlash against Gore if they push this to much. He'll just drop further in the polls.

[Jenni]

I'm quite sure that everyone has things in their past that they would rather the whole world not know about. Granted, if you aspire to public office, you should count on them becoming known, or as the Bible puts it, "be sure your sin will find you out". I'm surprised that it has remained hidden for 24 years.
Gore is a habitual liar. I don't think he is capable of telling the complete, honest truth about anything! For documentation of this fact, visit http://www.gorewillsayanything.com If you asked Gore about this incident, he would probably say that he was the cop that arrested GWB, or the judge that sentenced him.
Fact of the matter is Gore's party has been in charge for eight years and has done absolutely nothing to solve any of the issues that Gore is campaigning about. Rotten schools? You've been there for 8 years, what did you do about it? Bad health care? Ditto!

[troysvihl]

This is going to be like that comment that Bush made of the NY Times reporter when he called him an a*shole and the mic was on. A non-event that won't really make a difference. Anyone that is bothered by a DUI charge so long ago, certainly isn't going to switch his vote to Gore, a pathological liar.

[drisley]

Clyde and Bob, you guys are both so blind it is unbelievable. And the double standards are intiguing.

I think this speaks volumes of the man, Bush. He lives up to it, comes out to the reporters, answered questions. He did not hide. He did not blame. He did not ask for an apology. He did not attack. He did not smear anybody.

This is the political style left over from the Clinton/Gore days. The days of hiring PI's to smear the competition. All the more reason we need to get these people out of office.

I believe this will have a reverse effect that was expected by the Dems who leaked it. And, I have already said, if this doesn't affect it enough, we'll see another story before Tuesday.

[bob]

Speaking of volumes......

http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp

[drisley]

I gotta admit....that funny. We need to find one for Goreisms, cuz there are tons of them.

[bob]

My favorite GWBushism

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000

I was going to post a few at a time in each of my posts but the main issues/headlines are enough to debate.

[StunGunz]

Keep in mind that some of the most ludicrous attacks always occur when things look the most hopeless. I call it the "Butch and Sundance" effect. When surrounded, out numbered and low on ammunition,and you know all is lost. ATTACK! It worked for Redford and Newman, I'm sure of it. I mean I saw them in other pictures.... heh heh

[SARGE]

Ironic the Dems are harping about who was told and when. Bob, get off it. Not telling your kids about everything you ever did is normal. What gets included/excluded is up to the person. Is not telling my kids I once shot the math teacher in the butt with a spit wad wrong? Is not telling the wife you sometimes stare at another woman wrong (silence is sometimes real golden). I don't see the point folks are making. Bush could have spoken about this long ago and it would be a non-issue. Perhaps that strategy will have a consequence. We shall see.

[bob]

SARGE, a spit wad compared to a DUI - please get real.

Every news station has the DUI as it's top story. Help Bush help Gore I do not know for sure.

Best test is to ask "Is Bush happy to have this story break now - Is Gore unhappy?" Either way why did he not answer long ago.

BTW. Did you like the Link

[clydefo]

It looks like the drunk-driving cover-up went further than just protecting the twins. Apparently Bush’s courthouse cronies were able to get him out of jury duty questioning so he wouldn’t have to answer all those embarrassing questions like the rest of us. How many incomplete or falsified documents has he created over the years with his little secret? Will someone go over that part again about restoring integrity to the WH?

[Edited by clydefo on 11-04-2000 at 03:06 AM]

[Floppyman]

Allright enough Bush bashing, this email was forwarded to me...for all you Gore backers, here's a a couple facts about Gore.

Reprinted from the Internet News Bureau article "Al Gore's 21 Lies"
>> >
>> > DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER PATHOLOGICAL LIAR FOR PRESIDENT?
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore recently claimed that his mother-in-law pays more than
>> > $100.00 for the arthritis medicine Lodine; and he claims that his
>> > dog takes the same medicine for $37.00, claiming "This is wrong!"
>> >
>> > FACT: Gore's aides were quick to apologize for Gore's lie, saying the
>> > information was from a Democratic study. Washington newspapers also
>> > reported that Al Gore wasn't even sure his mother-in-law was taking any
>> > medication
>> > and wasn't even sure she had arthritis. And, he doesn't know anything
>> > about his
>> > dog's "arthritis".
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a champion of civil
>> > rights
>> > during the 1960's.
>> >
>> > FACT: Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act of
>> > 1964 and was a racist who was fond of using the "N" word.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore said that his sister was the very first person to join
>> > the
>> > Peace Corps.
>> >
>> > FACT: By the time Gore's sister joined the Peace Corps, there were
>> > already over 100 members.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: The same sister died of lung cancer years later and Gore
>> > vowed to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions.
>> >
>> > FACT: Just four years later, while campaigning for office, Gore spoke
>>to
>> > the tobacco industry and said he was one of them because "I've planted
>> > it, raised it, cut it, and dried it." He raised over $100,000 in
>> > "reported" contributions.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: While running for office, Gore's campaign literature claimed
>>he
>> > was a "Brilliant Student".
>> >
>> > FACT: Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and
>>consistently
>> > earned D's and C's.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law as a result of
>> > his extensive study at law school.
>> >
>> > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of law school.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Gore claimed that his knowledge of God and spirituality came
>>to
>> > complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school.
>> >
>> > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of divinity school.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for inventing the Internet in
>>the
>> > 1990's.
>> >
>> > FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining that the
>> > Internet had been in widespread use by government and educational
>> > institutions since the early 1970's.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on his life
>>and
>> > Tipper's.
>> >
>> > FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny his
>> > claim. (Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his
>>sweetheart
>> > doesn't die?)
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION : Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville
>> > newspaper, his stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt
>>criminals.
>> >
>> > FACT: He later apologized for his claim and actually said it was
>> > untrue (Also known as lying).
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the staff that follows
>> > him daily, especially among blacks.
>> >
>> > FACT: Black members of the Secret Service are suing because they
>> > claim they are not being promoted to positions guarding the
>> > Vice-President.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover the Love Canal
>>nuclear
>> > accident.
>> >
>> > FACT: The incident was already discovered, being investigated, and
>>covered
>> > widely in the press for many months before Gore was aware of it.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected president, he would
>>put
>> > harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of Hollywood's extreme sex and
>> > violence.
>> >
>> > FACT: Just six days later, Gore attended a fundraiser by Hollywood
>> > producers and radical gay activists where he told them that he would
>>only
>> > pretend to
>> > "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4 million.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home with his bare hands.
>> >
>> > FACT : Totally false!
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a choice between private
>>and
>> > public schools because public schools are far better.
>> >
>> > FACT : Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his children to
>> > private schools.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him to sleep as a baby
>> > by singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label".
>> >
>> > FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore was 27
>>years
>> > old.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the McCain-Feingold Campaign
>>Reform
>> > Act.
>> >
>> > FACT: The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of office for
>>over
>> > a year.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in keeping gas prices low.
>> >
>> > FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to raise the tax on
>>gasoline.
>> > In his
>> > book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the nation's Number One
>>enemy
>> > is the internal combustion engine. (That's the motor in your vehicle
>>that
>> > gets you
>> > to work and takes your kids to school)
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women to be
>>tested
>> > regularly for breast cancer with the most modern technology.
>> >
>> > FACT: While giving a speech on the subject in September, Gore didn't
>> > know what a mammogram was.
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they would
>> > finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from government.
>> >
>> > FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal agency that
>> > would tell you which doctor you are allowed to see in order to get the
>> > "special
>> > rates".
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> > FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a lie. When
>> > Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!" Gore said, "Not that
>>I
>> > know of."

So, this just proves that neither Bush nor Gore are perfect, but's it's not just Bush who should be critiziced. Let's all think twice for who we vote for on Nov 7. (I can't vote I'm only 17, but I have been following this election, and I know that neither Gore nor Bush are perfect.)

[Edited by Floppyman on 11-04-2000 at 04:31 PM]

[Kubie]

clyde and bob must be slurping at the public trough. bob's posts have alot to do with money, which makes me think he may lose some bucks if Bush is elected. Only reason I can see for their manical, closed-mindess for Gore. Just follow the money.

[keithr]

Clyde:

"...will somebody go over that part again about restoring integrity to the White House."

Since I was the one who said that (in another thread), I'd be happy to "go over it again".

Integrity has a LOT to do with how someone conducts themselves on a day-to-day basis. George W. Bush has demonstrated that kind of integrity.

The fact that he was arrested nearly 25 years ago for DUI, can be dismissed as a "youthful transgression". While that can't be a "legal" defense, it certainly is a human one.

He did not attempt to use his family's influence to coverup or otherwise try to duck the charges. No, he pled guilty. To me, that speaks to the man's integrity.

Does anyone remember Chappaquiddick?

Al Gore on the other hand, regularly, fabricates story after story, to suit the political need at hand. Only when questioned, and pressed for the truth, will he recant. That kind of behavior demonstrates a lack of integrity.

With a man like that in the White House, how could the American people believe anything he would say?

Keith

[SARGE]

And the preacher said, "AMEN".

[bob]

"/And the preacher said, "AMEN"./"

While he took your hard earned money to live a life of luxury.

[clydefo]

keithr,<br>Re: Bush's integrity.<p>The record now being revealed in the media shows that Bush has acted in collusion with others to cover-up the drunk-driving arrest for the last twenty-four years.<p>His record also includes insider trading at the expense of other investors. This is a quote from a <a href="http://www.georgebush2000.com/harken.html">reprint of a US News & World Report from 1992 about the Harken stock deal.</a><br><b>"Bush sold $828,560 worth of Harken stock just one week before the company stock posted unusually poor quarterly earnings and Harken stock plunged sharply. Shares lost more than 60% of their value over 6 months. When Bush sold his shares, he was a member of a company committee studying the effect of Harken's restructuring, a move to appease anxious creditors. According to documents on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission, his position on the Harken committee gave Bush detailed knowledge of the company's deteriorating financial condition. The SEC received word of Bush's trade eight month's late. Bush has said he filed the notice but that is was lost."</b><p>Bush was effectively "AWOL" for a year during his National Guard service so he could work on political campaigns.<p>He takes political credit for Texas HMO reform that was passed over his veto!<p>Those are not the actions of a man of integrity. As for your claim that Al Gore “<I>regularly</I>, fabricates story after story”, I can’t imagine what you are referring to. If it is that ridiculous list of alleged “exaggerations”, you need a better reference source as that has been refuted so often that there is no need for me to do so here. Al Gore was beginning his distinguished career in public service at the same time that Geo. Bush was running off the road drunk twenty-four years ago.

[Edited by clydefo on 11-05-2000 at 02:27 AM]

[bob]

Sounds like Bush is not elite. Want the bottom of the top 1% to lead our nation?

[StunGunz]

Clyde, this part of the statement alone tells you that the reason there was a commity alone, was because the company was in deep over thier heads financially.

"Bush sold $828,560 worth of Harken stock just one week before the company stock posted unusually poor quarterly earnings and Harken stock plunged sharply. Shares lost more than 60% of their value over 6 months. When Bush sold his shares, he was a member of a company committee studying the effect of Harken's restructuring, a move to appease anxious creditors. "

The fact that creditors were anxious in that statement, suggests there was something extremely wrong in house prior to his being a part of the solution committy. I would have serious doubts that if he was a part of a panel assigned to address the problem issues, that he was the creater of those same problems. He said he filed appropriate paperwork, and unless the SEC has filed charges against him, I would have to guess he really didn't do anything wrong. Add to it the fact that Harken lost 60% of its value over 6 mos. , and I'm quite sure the problem was well out of hand before anyone started to address it. If I had been Bush, and it had been my money, I'd have been out quick too.

[drisley]

Guys, I think one big difference here is that the Dems are going 20+ years ago to find stuff on Bush. They are hunting for it. hiring PI's. That is ludicrous. Gore, on the other hand, has done stuff not only in the last 8 years, while in office, but during his own campaign that Bush uses. Bush is not hiring PI's. He is not digging up dirt.

The Dems are being fanatical. They drool over the chance to rip Bush a new one. They all need to grow up. Like one solid Democrat I spoke to yesterday said, the Democratic party has become so evil-spitited and vindictive during the Clinton years that its time for a change. This registered Democrat is voting for Bush this year.

I think she is right. And I think some of the wild, childish comments made in this forum prove it.

[clydefo]

It is the media, not the Democrats, that are “finding stuff” on Bush. He has a record. There are victims of his swindles. There are witnesses.<p>No “solid” Democrat is going to vote for Bush. Some people register as Democrats so that they can cast meddlesome votes in the primaries and throw the party’s nomination to the weakest candidate.<p>Evil? Review the whole Republican impeachment frenzy if you want to see that. Fortunately there were a few Republican Senators with enough integrity to resist the excesses of their colleagues. Too bad that trait isn’t shared by the rest of that party.

[drisley]

Whatever. Your tirades just reinforce my arguement.

[clydefo]

I see that Governor All Hat and No Cattle has swapped the hat for a cardboard crown as he pretends to be the King before the coronation. Assemble the royal court!

[Kubie]

Sounds like a winner to me!!!