HELP! CPU temps!

[MonkeyBlitch]

I just finished building a pc and its using a AMD ATHLON XP 2200+ cpu and in BIOS it displays the cpu temp at 55 degrees celsuis! Is that temp ok? The system temp is at 29 degress celcius and the rpm of the cpu fan is 37500 or something like that. Will the cpu be ok?

[Fuze]

It will be fine. However, I'm more concerned for your ears if your fan RPM is that high. That must be a screamer (unless its a typo as I assume). My system runs at 52 with no problems. I wouldn't worry.

[wickedstyle]

Well is the computer freezing on you?? or becoming unstable? How many case fans you running on it??

[morriswindgate]

If you have one of the newer boards, then it is able to read the actual COre temp on the XP CPU which is going to be in that area. The temps that you normally see mentioned on the forum for AMD CPUs are ones taken off the sensor that is built into the base of the cpu socket and it is what AMD based the max temps on. These temps should be in the 35 to 45 degree C area at idle.

[MonkeyBlitch]

Im running 2 fans blowing out and I will install 2 more on the front to blow air in and the PSU also removes heat out of the case. I mest up on the rpm of the cpu fan. I added thermal compound on the die of the cpu and installed the AMD heatsink and fan that came with the cpu (retail). Its running smooth, first time booted up perfect. So is the processor going to be ok???

[wickedstyle]

It should be fine. Enjoy it!

[MonkeyBlitch]

Whats the average temp on a athlon xp processor?

[wickedstyle]

Hmm well mines is a 2000+AMD mines run on around 47C but I got 2 intake fans and 2 exhausts My 47C is at full loads.

[MonkeyBlitch]

Oh I feel much better now. So when I add 2 more fans the temp should drop right becuase its currently at 55 degrees.

[wickedstyle]

I dont know how much degrees it would drop your cpu to but it should help on cooling.

[Spyda]

hey, its probably wrong, my BIOS can say 49C, my temp monitor can say 57C and a program such as SiSoft sandra will say 51C, which do you take as correct.... they are probably all wrong here and there

[Cricket]

Originally posted by MonkeyBlitch
So is the processor going to be ok??? You have to remember that AMD says their CPU's can go up to a maximum temp of 90 C (194 F) before they fail...so as long as your computer is running stable, you really don't have anything to worry about.

:) Cricket

[TwoRails]

As Spyda sez, there is a big range of reported temps. Even between two exact / identical systems, temps can vary easily by 15°s or more!

55° is not bad. Being in the 50s is not the "death kiss" that many rumors say it is. If it is running fine, then it is, well. running fine!

On the front fan thing... I stopped running front fans as I've never seen a decrease in temps. Even AMD recommends to Not run front fans as they tend to circulate the hot instead of cool the box down.

If front fans do show a noticable decrease in temps, then that would indicate a cluter and / or a case design problem, not a CPU cooling problem. For example, many cases have fancy holes along the top perimiter, and too many holes in back by the cards, so the rear fans don't draw the air thru the case in a proper manner.

HTH

TwoRails

[eshaft716]

Mine runs mid 40's under full load, dont worry about it unless you start experiencing problems with the comp.

[got_ammo]

My 2100 I used to have ran at 55 load or something. You should be fine unless you get errors or freeze ups.

[MonkeyBlitch]

I haven't experienced any problems whatsoever and anyways I booted up the pc twice. Thanks for the info, If I find some freeze up or something then I will know its the cpu temp. When I booted the pc for the first time it booted up perfect and has been perfect ever since.

[Spyda]

torture it woith a 4 hour 3DMark2001SE batch run and then run SiSoft Sandras burn in wizard on high(stress) 20 times. if its gonna crash, they will make it crash!! if it doesnt, congrats you have built a solid PC!:D

[Cricket]

Originally posted by MonkeyBlitch
Thanks for the info, If I find some freeze up or something then I will know its the cpu temp.Freezes and lockup aren't always caused by CPU temps, they can be caused by many other things too...software glitches or conflicts, hardware problems, power problems, driver problems, etc...

If your system does freezes up, reboot it and go into BIOS and check the temps right away. If they're really high (above 70 C) then you need to do something about it. But if they're normal, you need to troubleshoot to find the cause.

:) Cricket

[glc]

I added thermal compound on the die of the cpu and installed the AMD heatsink and fan that came with the cpu (retail).

Please clarify - if you did not remove the thermal pad from the heatsink, this is a problem. You cannot use BOTH a pad and compound.

[MonkeyBlitch]

I removed the thermal pad tape from the heatsink, on the AMD manual it says to do this and I added a small amount of heatsink compound on the die of the cpu becuase the motherboard manual said to do this. I already installed Win Xp and got 49 celcius. What should I do?

[MonkeyBlitch]

Man I'm in deep trouble please someone help me out.

[Alaron]

49C is not that bad of a temperature, dont worry. Like others have said, if the computer is stable, then the temperature is not a problem, whether it is 4.9C or 49C. You can test the stability by testing it with Spyda's method. If that doesnt crash your system, you are good to go. Enjoy your computer! :)

[MonkeyBlitch]

No, I'm about to die if I don't fix this!!! I contacted AMD to let them know what happened and am waiting for thier response...The 49C is from a hardware monitoring program. I can't run tests becuase I can't connect to the internet. Great now I have to spend an extra $35 for a heatsink/fan and install it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MonkeyBlitch]

Anybody have any suggestions?

[Alaron]

What exactly is the problem? Not being able to connect to the internet is not related to overheating. If the computer is stable, there's nothing to worry about. 49 is not a high temp.

[MonkeyBlitch]

Originally posted by glc
Please clarify - if you did not remove the thermal pad from the heatsink, this is a problem. You cannot use BOTH a pad and compound.

^ that is the problem.

[morriswindgate]

Software based monitoring programs are CRAP! don't trust them at all.
If the bios temp is ok after about twenty minutes you are fine. Don't buy into all this junk about needing a firesuit to use an AMD cpu.
And read what i said before about the newer boards being able to read the cpu core temp which is going to be higher than what the old boards stated as cpu temps.
In other words there is nothing wrong with your system except the operator!

[MonkeyBlitch]

Alright buy what happens if I leave the heatsink compound and the thermal pad together on the cpu?

[Alaron]

Oh, dont worry. Its not a big problem. We already know your CPU is fine, since it boots up. The main problem with the compound and pad is that the cpu isnt getting proper contact with the heatsink and it burns up, but thats not the case here. What you need to do is remove the heatsink, and clean everything off of it, pad and compound. Use rubbing alcohol to clean the heatsink off. Once the the heatsink is clean, wipe all of the the compound of the die of the processor. When everything is clean, re-apply the compound to the cpu and heatsink, as directed by AMD. Once you've done this, the cpu should boot up, and be a bit cooler. HTH
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/23986.pdf

[MonkeyBlitch]

Alright so I have to get the compound, what brand do you recommend? I'm thinking of Arctic Silver 3.

[Alaron]

Arctic Silver 3 will work excellently. Follow these directions for applying it. They should also help for removing what you have. Thermal Compound Instructions http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

[MonkeyBlitch]

Since the cpu wasn't getting proper cooling does this effect it at all?

[Alaron]

The cpu technically wasn't getting proper cooling, but since it booted, even with the compound and pad in place, the cpu itself should be just fine. Don't risk anything by booting it up again. Use the instructions from Arctic Silver to properly remove and reapply the substance on your heatsink, and then reinstall it. If you follow the directions carefully, your computer should be up and running in no time.

[MonkeyBlitch]

Thanks for helping me out.

[TwoRails]

Hi MonkeyBlitch,

Take a deep breath and relax. First, lets try to save your 3 year warranty on the CPU. The first step in doing this is to NOT use any thermal compounds / greases (what ever you want to call them) like Arctic Silver. This will void your warranty. Period.

Second, the AMD manual does NOT state to remove the thermal pad. It does tell you to remove the thin plastic film protector on the thermal pad.

Question: is it the plastic protector that you removed or the pad itself??
Question: did you actually apply some sort of thermal compound to either the thermal pad or the HS directly?

Third, you do Not have to buy another HS/fan combo. Period.

I do recommend Not doing anything until AMD has responded to you. They need to direct you on what steps to follow to keep your three year warranty. Although I can't speak for them, most likely they will direct you to install a new thermal pad if you have installed any compound to it. If you did not install any compound, you may be OK as is.

In the mean time, if you approximate temps are around 50° or so, there is no problem as many have stated above.

AMD does Not recommend the use of thermal compounds, just the thermal pads that come preinstalled on the *AMD recommended* HS/fan combos.

TwoRails

PS: of course... if you don't want to keep your three year warrantee, then never mind...

[MonkeyBlitch]

I just finished applying thermal compound on the cpu. The temperature on the die is 52C and the temp of the external cpu is 46C. It went down a few degrees and everything is ok now. I'll tell AMD what happened.

[Spyda]

well, seeing as you installed compound anyway, and your wrranty's gone, now OC the hell out of it :D

[grasshopperbe]

i also have an athlon 2200,abit nf7s .
I ordered all parts separate, cpu boxed w cooler.

i had some probs with my mobo sound (something with the connectors i guess) and the store techie proposed to install an other mobo (same type).
Since it was brand new, i agreed with this.
I took my pc to the shop, the techie took of the hs and cpu, and while i replaced the mobo, he went 'in the back' to clean hs and cpu. Afterwards, he put some arctic silver on it ( dont know which one exactly)
I asked him what this would mean for my guarantee, but he said it was no problem, since he cleaned and placed it back himself (i first proposed to place a new hs and patch)

Do i still have my guarantee now ?
(maybe its store guarantee, not from amd itself.)

btw my temps run at 49 - 54 (hardly makes any difference idle or ingame ) depending on room temp. I have an aopen hq08 full tower, 1 enermax adj fan in front bottom, 1 thermaltake 60mm 5200 rpm in the back just above agp card, behind cpu, enermax dual fan 350w psu, second enermax above psu, behind hd's .

i still have several 'holes' free for more fans. would it be more helpful to tape some paper against the holes or so to close em ?

[MonkeyBlitch]

No what the other said it void the gurantee. Those temps are normal so the cpu will be fine since it has arctic silver applied to it.

[TwoRails]

There are always exceptions to everything.... AMD does not warrantee CPUs with AS (or the like) installed. But, there are times where if you return the CPU to the place of purchase, they might honor the warrantee, not AMD.

So grasshopperbe *may* be OK. It will be up to the shop! If the shop covers the warrantee, then no problem as they have to duke it out with AMD, not the end customer.

MonkeyBlitch: I'd still contact AMD and explain things, and see what they say and do. An emails cheap and they just might have a solution for you. It would be worth a try!

TwoRails

[MonkeyBlitch]

I emailed AMD yesterday and haven't recieved a response yet.

[Cricket]

Did the Athlon die?

:) Cricket

[MonkeyBlitch]

No it's running good, installed Win XP in 10 minutes. I cleaned out the thermal pad and heatsink compound and added new thermal compound.

[MonkeyBlitch]

HA!! AMD contacted me and I STILL have my 3 year warranty!!! They recommended these thermal phase pads:

> > Bergquist / HF225UT
> > Chomerics / T725
> > Honeywell / PCM45
> > Power Devices / Powerfilm
> > ShinEtsu / PCS-TC-11T-13
> > Thermagon / T-pcm905C

[grasshopperbe]

Thanks TwoRails, that is also what i understood from the technician at my computer store. he said that if it's done in the shop, it's done properly so i still have guarantee with them.
he even wanted to let me place cpu and hs back since he had seen me replace mobo and everyting too, but i preferred to let him do it :) , those guys prolly do that like 10 times a day, so they're a little more 'handy' with it.

that's why i still have 486 and p1 mobo's
if you screw up or burn the cpu on those its no worries

[TwoRails]

Hi MonkeyBlitch: :D very happy to hear it worked out OK for you!!! Do note, however, that the "key word" here is pad!

Hi grasshopperbe: Sounds good for you, too! :D Things are good when they "back you up!!"

I like it!! :)

TwoRails

[MonkeyBlitch]

They still give me the 3 year warranty though BUT they recommend those.

[Alaron]

Great news that you still get the warranty. Good to know your processor is up and running. :)

[MonkeyBlitch]

Thanks for your help Alaron56!