Netbeui works but TCP/IP doesn't

[TK-87]

Let me say up front that I'm pretty network-literate, but not so much PC-literate. I've been doing networking for many years, but PCs still have me baffled.

I upgraded the NIC in my old Win95/P100 machine from a 10Mb 3c509 to a 100Mb 3c905 and after much aggravation, I'm stuck. I loaded the applicable drivers, etc. (hopefully). TCP/IP will just not work properly.

1) I have a Win98 & Win2000 PC on my same home network as this Win95 machine.
2) All are using DHCP to successfully get their IP address from my LinkSys router
3) I use Netbeui for file sharing; TCP/IP for Internet access.
4) I can successfully file share across all 3 computers using Netbeui. And print. Everything works fine. So this tells me my network connections and hub are ok.
5) The Win95 box successfully gets a DHCP address from the LinkSys. I can release/renew just fine.
6) The ARP table in each PC gets correctly populated when I ping. A sniffer shows that ARP request/replies are working.

The problem is that I cannot ping the Win95 machine, nor can I ping from it. DHCP works; ARPs work; Netbeui works.

An interesting thing (maybe) that I see. If I start up a repeating ping to the Win95 PC from another, then boot the Win95 PC, pings will succeed for awhile while Win95 initializes! But after about the time I see the Windows Login prompt, the pings stop working.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom

[Edited by TK-87 on 12-11-2000 at 02:40 PM]

[Dave22]

Just to be sure... I'm assuming everything was OK w/ the 10BT card and these problems started w/ the new NIC? (You didn't say whether the NIC upgrade was because the original NIC didn't work either)

Have you already tried removing TCP/IP and then reinstalling it on the affected machine?

Do you have the latest drivers for that 905? (I've had problems w/ that model before, and upgrading the drivers did the trick)

What version of Win95 are you running? 95, 95a, 95b?

[TK-87]

Dave,

Thanks for the reply. Yes, the original 10bt was working. As a good Dad I was simply trying to upgrade it to 100Mb so my kids' Need for Speed game would run faster between the 2 computers. The rest is history.

It's ironic that you just replied. I just 5 minutes ago decided to nuke my Win95 disk and start over with a Win98 CD that I have.

Of course, I may have been too hasty because using my startup disk, I formatted c: and now can't figure out a way to read from my CD-ROM to install Win98. Haste makes waste...

Thanks again,
Tom

[Charliey]

You can download a boot disk with cdrom support from http://www.bootdisk.com

[archie]

Hey Tom, CD-ROM support is one of the options on the Win98 boot disk ... a piece of cake compared to Win95.

[TK-87]

Thanks guys. Unfortunately I'm having no luck accessing the website http://www.bootdisk.com this morning 7:30am EST. Is this the correct IP address:

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: http://www.bootdisk.com
Address: 208.47.252.43

It just times out.


And just a follow-up to why I decided to start over from scratch (if not obvious). This P100 PC and the Win95 installation on it are about 5 years old. I had installed/uninstalled TCP/IP and patches about 50 times the past 2 weeks, spent more hours than I care to remember trying to fix it, tried a Winsock 2.0 update, etc. I just felt like I was working on a sinking ship.

Hopefully the newer OS will work a little better. The reason I've chosen Win98 is because of the old processor. I think Win2000 might be too much for it to handle, i.e., concerns about backward-compatibility with the 5-year-old hardware.

Tom

[TK-87]

I finally got to the website bootdisk.com. I'll try it out as soon as I can.

Thanks,
Tom

[Dave22]

The hardware compatibility wouldn't be the issue. (I upgraded my Win 95 to Win 2K and it actually got an old sound card working that wouldn't work under 95!) It would be more that your applications may not run on Win 2K if they're too old. Of course, Win 2000 wants a lot of processing power so you may not have enough juice there anyhow.

Either way, having an installation of 95 THAT old is asking for trouble. I usually reinstall the whole thing every 6 months or so.

Good luck!

[TK-87]

Thanks Dave, and thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I will open a new thread with my questions about the Win98 install.

Tom