Sadam caught

[Dangermouse1]

Sky news confirm Saddam has been caught alive.

[Byte 2.0]

you bet me.
Saddam Hussein captured.

Is this a bad time to ask about Osama bin Ladin?

Where Osama?

[mystvearn]

you beat me too. Caught, now (the coalition) show me the WMD.

[Byte 2.0]

In case others wonder what the WMD is (Weapons of Mass Destruction)
I only post because I had to think about that for a bit.

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by mystvearn
you beat me too. Caught, now (the coalition) show me the WMD.

I woke up to the news on my radio this morning. I couldn't think of a better way to start it. :) :) :) :) :)

As for the WMD, the Iraqi who supplied that info recently was captured, and he described what happened to them. Of course that wasn't publicized too well, but if what he is saying is true, front-line soldier's were issued the WMDs and were ordered only to use them on Saddam's command. They were then burried throughout Iraq when they were not to be used.

[Strider]

Personally I could careless if they ever find WMD, for Saddam's regime was a brutal one that is comparable to many evil leaders in the past (Hitler's, Stalin's for example). For that alone is enough for me and now back to Personal Computing for me. :D

[mbossman2]

The US seems to be on a roll:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/12/14/ixportaltop.html

potentially the smoking gun regarding Iraq and 9/11

[not important]

Now that they have caught him what will they do with him and will anything change?

[Propain]

The people cheer in the streets once again just like the first time the war was won a few months ago. I wonder if itll last a bit longer this time before they start killing more US soldiers. Thoses people (middle east ppl) dont even know if they are coming or going.

[mystvearn]

Well, now to wait. I thought the US attack in the first place due to WMD and oil. So interrogate Saddam-and show it.
WMD=weapons of mass destruction

[Fastfly]

I doubt WMD is on the mind of Bush right now.


But we willfind out at noon when he address's the USA.

[yellohut]

where did you get oil as the reason for the original attack...
i work in the news and never heard that brought up as a reason.
Also, we probably should have pushed the humanitarian agle more for our reason for going in there, with the WMD's as a second factor. either way we got Saddam, and no one can say that that is a bad thing.

[morriswindgate]

WMD - Just remember that the total amount of the WMD that the UN Inspectors listed as missing would fit in a space the size of two USA sized double car garages. But this amount of stuff has the potential, not only to kill several million people, but also it would be the worst enviormental disaster in history.
So before you ask where are they, look around your town and notice the number of places that are that size, then think about the number of places in your whole state.
My own felling about his capture is that if it were legal they should strip him naked, tie him to a Humvee hood and then drive him down the cinter of Baghdad.

[hobey19]

what time is he adressing the nation? i saw fastfly said noon, but i hadn't seen anything saying for sure.

thanks
craig

[Doobie]

yes please confirm its a twelve... Im going to take the TV out the Garage to watch it...

[ylen13]

i wished us troops just pu the bullet in to his head.

[Colonel Sanders]

I have to agree with Strider, I personally don't really care if they don't find any WMD- Saddam was a man who shouldn't have had the power that he had, he was removed once during Desert Storm and came back to his old tricks.

L J

[morriswindgate]

This is how he got the $750,000.00 he had with him when he was captured.

[Propain]

:D :D eheheh Good one Morris.:)

[yellohut]

lol Morris :D

[HAL9000]

Personally.... I think this is just the beginning... think about it... what do you do with him.... execute him? Ok... to the other terrorists out there that follow his beliefs, it's just that much more of a reason to hate the US and follow out more attacks.... ok, lock him up in solitary or whatever.... fine... now the terrorists that follow his beliefs will stage attacks and promise more until he is released. The smart thing to have done when he was found would have been to toss a grenade into his hole and walk away... leave him MIA.

[bigandy]

I agree with what Propaine said, though we may have got him, and the people of Iraq are celebrating, they celebrated after the end of the war and a week later were killing off soldiers. Hopefully this time, that won't happen, but it probably will. The US is hated in that part of the world, actually in much of the world we are.

Here is are links for more on the capture:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20031214055309990001

or

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/sprj.irq.main/index.html

[morriswindgate]

The Iraqs have to be allowed to to care of him in their court system. If you read a lot of the reports, a whole lot of people in the Arab world are of the belief that he was loved by his own people. For them to see him for what he really is and the hate the Iraqi people have for him will further disillusion the radicals.

[oddjob]

Please follow this link for Weapons of Mass Destruction (http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/).

[GreenBMP]

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16274

That seems to sum up what's going on.

[Force Flow]

Originally posted by HAL9000
Personally.... I think this is just the beginning... think about it... what do you do with him.... execute him? Ok... to the other terrorists out there that follow his beliefs, it's just that much more of a reason to hate the US and follow out more attacks.... ok, lock him up in solitary or whatever.... fine... now the terrorists that follow his beliefs will stage attacks and promise more until he is released. The smart thing to have done when he was found would have been to toss a grenade into his hole and walk away... leave him MIA.

That's been my question the whole time the US has been looking for him. What the heck do we do with him? Okay, we found him. Hurrah, hurrah. Now what do we do with him? We can't very well make a martyr of him, and it may be a little risky to keep him hanging around. How about an underground bunker somewhere in the mountains, perhaps?

Yeah, MIA would have solved everything...

[Undead_Rider]

Question, How many cigerettes will sadom be wourth in prison. my answer half a smoken bud

[Confused]

Originally posted by HAL9000
Personally.... I think this is just the beginning... think about it... what do you do with him.... execute him? Ok... to the other terrorists out there that follow his beliefs, it's just that much more of a reason to hate the US and follow out more attacks.... ok, lock him up in solitary or whatever.... fine... now the terrorists that follow his beliefs will stage attacks and promise more until he is released. The smart thing to have done when he was found would have been to toss a grenade into his hole and walk away... leave him MIA.
Personally I agree with the grenade but now that we have him is the very reason I believe we will let the Iraq people try him in their newly formed tribunal. It will just flame more hatred and distrust in the middle east if we do it. But for the Iraq people to do it will show the middle east what a tryant and butcher he is.

The real killer would be if the tribunal found him innoncent. Where would that leave us, meaning the coalition.
Chas

[Carnigan]

Finally the BULLY behind the fence is really gone and all the kids can play without looking over their shoulders. The WMD are out there, they just like SH himself are buried underground (remembe rhe had 3 months to bury them) underground and may never be found, but as for the Dictator's capture the people are fiinally free. The Iraqi people have aided in the capture of SH as well they will stop the violence, because they know who the bombers are (the mere thought of the bully behind the fence has protected them until now!!). Now the interim goverment can make real plans and Iraq's stabilization forces can come home. The real dilemma I see is this; Now that he is caught, do you execute him NO then he is a Martyr, Do you keep him in detention NO then he is an alive dictator who can be freed to rule again. hmmm???? thanks for your thoughts.l

[glc]

http://www.cafe-twan.nl/saddam.jpg

[Zinedene]

yeah

good news...finally, hes been caught...

Wonder if Rumsfeld will go to Iraq to meet his old friend..
He went to meet him years ago...perhaps a reunion is on the cards...

I say execute him, sadaam that is. But its also wise to remember who helped him gain his power, and who supplied him the weapons for all this to occur.

No point looking at the bully, when there are others involved in funding the bully before , during and after such atrocities as halabja gassing.

[CaptTuna]

He has committed crimes against the Kuwaiti people, perhaps he should be tried there.
But I mean come on how about Castro just 90 miles from the US for almost 50 years. Somoza in Nicaragua? Too bad there isn't any oil in Cuba or Central America.
I want to see bin Laden. Sadam is just a third rate dictator who called US bad names, Osama is the one who blackened our eye.
Will anyone be impressed by this come election day?

[lil Jimmie]

http://liljimmie.freeservers.com/images/owned.jpg

[Blakhart]

I agree with Morris, he should be tried by Iraqis in Iraq. We (US MIL) should hold him for safe keeping, in Iraq, to ensure he is never "liberated".

[Alienware_Dude]

I was looking over another board I frequent, and a Canadian had this to say about the capture of Hussein:


The worst thing I have heard in a long amount of time. Not only does this assure that Dubya will be re-elected. Which means the American economy will be shot, another war will have been most likley started to help boost consumer confidence and it will fail like it did this time. Bush is lucky the Boom and Bust theory is around. This also means the the degradation of foreign relations will continue to happen, as will the American dollar. More and more jobs will be lost and I gurantee more scandals like Enron will happen. (You can catch Martha Stewart but you can catch these guys? Give me a break Dubya). This also means that a republican will win the two elections here after.

The only hope we have is a depression hitting before '04, Osama landing another large attack or someone assassinating Bush. I vote for the last one, and I hope it is an Iraqi or Afghany who was peaceful but an arrant bomb killed his family


I'm all for free speech and difference of opinion and everything, but, come on. :rolleyes:

[i3OSS]

Even if he isnt charged for WMD, hes charged of "Genocide, humaity threat, murder of <2,000,000 people, etc."

[juppy]

Originally posted by glc
http://www.cafe-twan.nl/saddam.jpg LOL! I liked that one! :D

[mystvearn]

grenade is also not a good idea. then his followers will rampage. Iraqis should have the trial by themselves-without the other influances. By doing so, maybe there will be less suicide attack. But I doubt it. After uday and qusay's death-there were more attacks. It can go both ways. For 750 000 with him, where is the rest of the $20 million he took with him?

[HAL9000]

You only read half the statement then... grenade and MIA.... nobody knew where he was... it should have been left that way.... a whole new can of worms has been opened.

[David M]

We don't do anything with Saddam other than to hand him over to the families of those he tortured and murdered.

Seriously though, we hand him back to the Iraquis. Contrary to how the media protrays Saddam, he is hated by the vast majority of Iraquis. Saddam deserves a trial by his own people. The same people he abused for years and years.

Sure is a bad day for the Democrats re-election campaign :)

[HAL9000]

Is handing him back to the Iraquis such a good idea is what I'm getting at.... you hand him back, you telling me there won't be anyone trying to free him by whatever means possible?

[Karnevil9]

As long as he was MIA he would be thought to still be alive by some of his followers and they would continue to fight for him awaiting his triumphant return. To kill him would only martyr him to those same followers. To capture him like we did, proves to these followers that he is not coming back. They will also see that he surrended disgracefully, like the coward he is, while telling others to fight to the death. His own sons and grandson fought to the death rather than being captured, but not him. This will disgrace him in the eyes of those that followed him. We will then probably turn him over to the Iraqi people for trial and undoubtably he will be found guilty and executed.
I also don't care about the WMD's, though I do believe they are there or were. Maybe Saddam will now explain why he didn't allow the inspectors to inspect, if he had nothing to hide. Either way Saddam's people needed someone to remove him. We did the right thing even if the reason was flawed.
To those who talk about the war over oil, your ingnorance is showing. That saying lost steam after the first gulf war and we left without asking anything of Kuwait other than compensation for the cost of our weapons, which I believe they still haven't paid.

[Blakhart]

"which I believe they still haven't paid."



Imagine that....

[CaptTuna]

What if he gets Johnnie Cochran for an attorney and gets a not guilty verdict from an Iraqi jury?
Tell the Canadian not to worry the Americans will have forgotten this by election time, we have such short attention spans.

[mr krinkle]

I am glad Saddam has been caught and will be brought to justice for his Crimes,, <p> But I am almost amused of the The misguided belief by America's Dumbest Conservatives that Hussein's capture somehow represents a blow to terrorism.<p> After all
Wasnt that Bushies excuse for getting Saddam? His unfounded ties to Bin Laden and Co?

[Kubie]

The amusement comes from liberal presidential candidates squirming at the fact this IS GOOD news.
Knowing that the last thing liberals wanted was Saddam being captured, they'll go off the deep end when Osama is captured.

Carl

[doctorgonzo]

Originally posted by Kubie
Knowing that the last thing liberals wanted was Saddam being captured, they'll go off the deep end when Osama is captured.

Excuse me, but that is pure bull.

Yes, I am a liberal and proud of it. I am glad that he was caught. It is totally absurd to say that liberals did not want him to be caught. Exactly who didn't want him caught? Do you know anybody personally who is liberal and didn't want him caught, or are you just repeating the "liberal=traitor" meme?

Just because he has been caught doesn't mean that all of a sudden everything is hunky dory, nor does it mean that the methods used to come to this point are above reproach. We caught a man who was a tyrant before, but who was commanding rats now. That's great news, but there is plenty of bad news still out there. As good as yesterday was, tomorrow may present a huge setback.

[Karnevil9]

I think Krubie was speaking of the Liberal Demoncratic Presidential candidates who know the only way to beat President Bush next year is by how many things go wrong for him. If Iraq does well, (which by the way the news doesn't report the 95% of the Iraq that is rebuilding quite nicely without anyone shooting at the troops) and the economy picks up, they know that he'll be reelected.

[el_novato]

either the media did one heck of a job convincing the world that was a merciless and cruel ruler, when in fact he was not.

or

he has some other plan for letting himself get captured alive.
His sons fought to death, why would he not do the same? why give the coalition the pleasure of catching him alive? i would think he would rather die by his own hand than be taken by his enemy, or at least put up a fight. hmmmm....

[Kubie]

either the media did one heck of a job convincing the world that was a merciless and cruel ruler, when in fact he was not.


??? What do you know that the rest of the world does not?

[el_novato]

nothing...let me re-phrase that:

either the media did one heck of a job convincing the world that was a merciless and cruel ruler, when it appears he was not.

it ties in with the second part of the post...you get me?

[mr krinkle]

Kubie I am proud to tie myself with the Liberal label and i shed no tears for Saddam or the people who put him in power.,, <p>But when you say<p>"Knowing that the last thing liberals wanted was Saddam being captured, they'll go off the deep end when Osama is captured.<p>Well that just proves my 1:50 point.

[Karnevil9]

I think the reason he allowed himself to be caught is because he is a classic sociopath. They are wonderful at killing and torturing others but when it comes to their protecting their own lives they are cowards. They do whatever they need to do to protect themselves.

[el_novato]

Originally posted by Karnevil9
I think the reason he allowed himself to be caught is because he is a classic sociopath. They are wonderful at killing and torturing others but when it comes to their protecting their own lives they are cowards. They do whatever they need to do to protect themselves.

yea...that makes sense

as for putting a bullet in his head...half the world already hates the US for being over there...our problems would increase dramatically if the world came to find out the coalition took him out. Leave it up to the Iraqi people to decide his fate. That would support Bush's statement of not "being an occupation". But on the other hand we shouldn't be surprised if sometime after we turn him over we learn that he's gone.

as others have said grenade in hole and MIA status sounds good.

[CaptTuna]

So I guess the trial will start about 2 months before the election? Otherwise we will have forgotten.

[Colonel Sanders]

Kubie- I'd be upset if someone was mad about Osama's capture. I can already see someone saying "We have no right to attack Afghanistan just because he led the first attack on American soil."

I say this because I have seen other forums where they have constantly complained about Bush- "He has no right to help Iraqis rid themselves of a tyrant leader." Too many people at other forums complain about the whole war, and thus everything American because we haven't found a needle in a haystack yet... Just visit the bit-tech.net forums, or another place I go cool-teens.com forums.

Personally, I don't really know what is up with the Brits at bit-tech.net. When I'm there are constant insults towards Americans and American culture. I haven't seen that take place here, but at bit-tech, it's seemingly everywhere.

[glc]

Folks, this is a WARNING. Political discussions are not allowed at the Mech, and this has just turned into one.

Mr Krinkle - you are the one who started it. You have been warned before about instigating political arguments, do NOT do this again if you want to remain a member here.

Kubie, Gonzo, Karnevil - you are just adding fuel to the fire and you should know better.

[David M]

Hmmm

I presume that includes gun control, abortion, religion and taxes?

[M. A. Dockter]

Originally posted by David M
Hmmm

I presume that includes gun control, abortion, religion and taxes?

Read the post above yours if you have failed to do so the first time. If you don't understand what you just posted was against what a moderator asked you, you need to leave here before you are removed.

[bailey]

never mind

[glc]

Time to read the FAQ, David - you have a few improper posts right now and I'd hate to have to nominate you for a ban, which is what will happen if any more warnings have to be issued. You need to become a bit more familiar with how we do things here.

[Karnevil9]

Sorry, I didn't know that, I'll shut up now:)