amd athlon xp 3200+ vs. amd athlon xp 3000+

[paintballwiz]

is there a huge amount of difference between these 2 proccesors? how do they compare to an intel celeron at 2.8 ghz, or a pentium 4 at 2.66 ghz?

thx a lot:)

[rcx21000]

Just get a 2500+ and OC to 3200+ :)

[mikezel]

in my opinion, you probably won't notice much between the 3000+ and the 3200+. However, they will perform noticebly better than the Celeron 2.8 or the P4 2.66. Or, if you're into OCing, do what rcx21000 said above
mike

[BARNEY]

With prices dropping for the XP3000/3200 It could be considered. Not eveyone needs to overclock, nor is it guaranteed to be trouble free depending in your components and knowledge. If you want basically no trouble at all and low temps with air - then yes the XP3200 is very worth it, and is faster than A P4 2.66, and any celeron. You'll notice that competetive gamers that actually make money never - ever use and overclocked system .. for good reason. Can you imagine playing a world ranked opponent just to have your PC reboot because you don't have enough vcore/ If your a gamer that needs a dependable system don't overclock. Also if you want a totally trouble free system that needs absolutely no bios tinkering. Don't overclock. Just buy the XP3200 if you can afford it and need the speed. Also if you have valuable data that needs safekeeping never overclock. Having a very useable and fully funtionable PC that is fast at stock settings can be a good thing

[Tin]

Been overclocked a year now, no problems :)

[BARNEY]

Originally posted by Tin Canary
Been overclocked a year now, no problems :)

Iv'e been overclocking for 5 years solid, and even though I know exactly what im doing in nearly every respect, I still think it's wise if one has the money to buy the better processor and run it stock for most "lay" people that use computers - even moderate enthusiasts. You and I don't fit that catagory.

[Redfallon]

Whoa Tin's got benchmarks up in the sig now :) if they were there before I never noticed! kinda hard to read though Tin! I agree about not just telling everyone out here to OC, although it's their money I suppose :)

[Tin]

Originally posted by Redfallon
Whoa Tin's got benchmarks up in the sig now :) if they were there before I never noticed! kinda hard to read though Tin! I agree about not just telling everyone out here to OC, although it's their money I suppose :)

theyre easy to read, just expand the window, its an 800 x 600 screen shot ;). i also agree with barney....OCing is not for everybody. a first time PC builder SHOULD NOT overclock. you have much more to worry about than getting your processor screaming. once you attain good working knowledge of your computer, then give OCing a try. OCing is a learning experience, but never assume your chip can do xxxxMHz. when you start assuming your chip can go so far right off the bat without testing, you will fry it. take it slow and test for stability along the way.

[glc]

Originally posted by rcx21000
Just get a 2500+ and OC to 3200+ :)

I really frown on people making posts like this out of the clear blue sky. That was not the question that was asked. Sure, we discuss overclocking here - it is in the forum title - but that does not mean everyone that posts here should be overclocking, if you did an analysis I would bet that it's actualy a small minority of the membership. Keep the overclocking discussions in threads where it's appropriate.

To answer the original question - only benchmarks will really show a difference between a 3000+ and a 3200+. The P4-2.66 is a 533 FSB non-hyperthreaded processor and will lag both AMD's, but a 2.8C will be in the same ballpark as the AMD's both pricewise and performancewise. They all blow away the Celeron handily though in anything but casual use.

[mb26]

Originally posted by glc
I really frown on people making posts like this out of the clear blue sky. That was not the question that was asked. true, but chances are (since hes new to the forum) that he might not know about overclocking, and that u can 99% of the time get the performance of a 3200 out of a 2500. it could end up saving him a considerable amount of money.

although, i do agree that if should have been explained about the question asked first, and *then* gone on to talk about overclocking.

also i think if someone researches well, anyone is able to overclock on their first build, to some degree. it is not that hard if u have the right hardware unless u are doing it to the extremes

[edit:]
Originally posted by BARNEY
Can you imagine playing a world ranked opponent just to have your PC reboot because you don't have enough vcore/ If your a gamer that needs a dependable system don't overclock.that is what programs like Prime 95 are for. having an unstable overclock is clearly useless.

[BARNEY]

Originally posted by mb26
that is what programs like Prime 95 are for. having an unstable overclock is clearly useless.

Yes. I have used P95 probably a thousand times or more. I fully understand what it's for. But, I also use it before I build systems to send out for general stability, along with - G/L excess, Both version of 3D mark (looping demo too). I also run memtest 86 and when the rig is sold all documentation is with it including the passed tests along with thier receipt and whole system warranty - you might also like to know I don't overclock these systems. I let the user do that. Let's try to understand that maybe paintballwiz has absolutely no interest runing prime 95 to test for stability for anything. GLC is dead on right when he says that it's an extremely small percentile that overclocks. Most people could care less to have to be tied to thier PC like that and even know what prime 95 is - ever. Maybe he is interested in overclocking but the thread title did not indicate that. I'll tell you something. the more that years go by, and the more experienced you become, the more you get away from overclocking in general because you find out it's really a hobby. Many of the people I build for are former overclockers that did it for about 3-5 years and simply got tired if it, and since they have a good job that pay's money - they just buy the best and fastest thing they can. Nothing wrong with that at all. they get a 2 year warranty from me and spend time never having to mess with PC tinkering. And to add to that, after about 4 years of being on the top percentile of overclockers myself. I have finally graduated to appreciating a good, fast, reliable, stock system, that runs totally cool in air.

So mb26 I can tell you that gamers that depend on working rigs do not run overclocked syetems, and they do not need to use prime 95, or even memtest 86, because the system usually has top tier parts and memory and simply works. money is spent on a P4 2.8-3.4c or XP3000-3200, or A64 3200+-3400+. You'll find that the upper tier of users actually "graduates" from overclocking altogether mostly - save a spare rig they might have on the side to play with - but cetainly not depend on day in and day out. Although users like Tin Canary and myself can usually dial in an overclock to 2.4+ and not crash, but that user is rare. And it takes alot of experience.

[glc]

90% of the systems I build use Intel branded motherboards - which absolutely cannot be overclocked with any reasonable method. If a customer wanted me to build an overclocked system, I would, but there will be no warranty on it whatsoever - when it leaves the shop the customer is on their own.

[BARNEY]

What ever happened to the appreciation for a regular system? I really like to see a regular closed case. Regular IDE cables, then look in to see a quality motherboard ike an Asus, with a higher end (speedy) processor. IDE cables folded neatly. no mess. No lights. Just smooth, cool, and fast. So much emphasis thesedays is put on overclocking, lest we forget about what a computer is for. To work correctly, and funtion smoothly. Guess to some it's boring. Not to me - to me that means success.

[ja83]

Originally posted by BARNEY
What ever happened to the appreciation for a regular system? I really like to see a regular closed case. Regular IDE cables, then look in to see a quality motherboard ike an Asus, with a higher end (speedy) processor. IDE cables folded neatly. no mess. No lights. Just smooth, cool, and fast. So much emphasis thesedays is put on overclocking, lest we forget about what a computer is for. To work correctly, and funtion smoothly. Guess to some it's boring. Not to me - to me that means success.

That's going to be me very soon(have the $$, don't know what I'm waiting for), minus the IDE cables folded neatly lol.

[morriswindgate]

The advantage of the 3200 is the 400MHZ FSB which when coupled with PC3200 DDR RAM will give you the best performance from the VIA KT600 chipsets since they really come alive and bench equal to or above the NForce2 chipsets.
However in the real world you really will not see that much between the two.