very good pc, gaming especially

[fitzy]

I want a PC that is very good but $1700 price range. Also good at gameing

[rspassey]

Ok, thats great.
I assume you want some help selecting parts, is this true?
How can we help?

[fitzy]

I' am lost and tried doing research but when you dont know what to reasearch its hard so giving me good parts would be very exellent. thank you again.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by ryan124712 Ok, thats great. I assume you want some help selecting parts, is this true? How can we help?

sorry i didnt see that you had send me parts

[rspassey]

Oh, those are the parts of my pc in my signature. lol.... that is about a $3,400 pc, over your budget.

Ill help get you going.. you will most likely want and AMD 64 processor around 400 to 500 dollars socket 939, a socket 939 ASUS SLI mobo for 160 dollars and a 7800gt video card for 400 dollars, and an SLI psu perhaps the enermax 600w. RAM 2gb Corsair Value select... the rest is really all preference i mean you will need a hard drive opticals, case but the qualitly and size is up to you and your needs.

[Amazin Caucasian]

I say lower the processor budget to like 200-250....a 3500+ is a fantastic cpu. This could enable u to get the 7800gtx overclcoked or just get a second 7800gt.

[fitzy]

thank you both if you have anymore suggetions feel free to give em

[imadad]

i want to build a $2000 PC with a moniter good for gamming but also good for other things

Spend the extra money on a better processor, more RAM or a monitor. Do you have a list of parts you want to buy yet?

There is really no need to start a whole new topic.

[fitzy]

i need suggetions on what parts to buy

[Amazin Caucasian]

Asus A8N-SLi Deluxe
AMD Athlon 64 3500+
2 x BFG 7800gt OC'ed
Western Digital Raptor 36.7GB
Maxtor DiamondMAX 200GB 16MB cache
NEC 3540a
Enermax 535watt SLi
2 x Corsair ValueSelect 1GB (2x512mb)
Thermaltake Tsunami
Sony Floppy

Total: 1798.22

Ok, I am not sure if ur $2000 was only for the tower or what...if keyboard/mouse/speakers/monitor/OS should be included budget...post back and I can fix some things.

[rspassey]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian Asus A8N-SLi Deluxe AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Western Digital Raptor 36.7GB Maxtor DiamondMAX 200GB 16MB cache 2 x BFG 7800gtx NEC 3540a Enermax 535watt SLi 2 x Corsair ValueSelect 1GB (2x512mb) Thermaltake Tsunami Sony Floppy

That is a nice list, but half of the budget is just on video cards, and he also wants to buy a monitor, I would suggest reducing to just one video card, that will be plenty powerful and uping the cpu to one with a 1mb cache such as this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103529

[fitzy]

alright thanks again

[Amazin Caucasian]

IMO...no need for a cpu anywhere between 3500+ and a FX-55 for gaming that is. just not enough performance difference IMO to recommend between that range. I missed the monitor comment.....ok I will edit the list real quick.

[fitzy]

i need speakers

[blue60007]

Yeah, once 7800gtx and spend a little more on the cpu. Secondly there is NO reason to get a 10,000 RPM $110 HDD that only has 36GB!!! Get a 7,200 RPM with 16MB cache that has 8 times as much storage, while costing the same. Such as this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144185

250GB, same price, and nearly the same performance.

Oh, I see you have two HDDs, don't get the raptor, it's kinda a waste of money. Either get just the Maxtor, or get two of them.

[Amazin Caucasian]

Wetsern Digital Raptor is for the OS and applications...the Maxtor is for games/demos/documents/other storage. THe performance is DEFINITELY worth it...sry bud on this one im gonna have to say u r incorrect.

Edit: Fitzy what is sort of sad??

[rspassey]

Amazin check out the pcmark04 benchmarking comparisions on cpu and memory on toms hardware between the 3500+ and 4000+
http://www23.tomshardware.com/index....l2=65&chart=14

http://www23.tomshardware.com/index....l2=60&chart=15

and with doom3
http://www23.tomshardware.com/index....l2=60&chart=26

and with sandra
http://www23.tomshardware.com/index....el2=60&chart=5

there is substancial difference between the 4000+ and 3500+, this is what would make me lean toward recomending a new build to go with just one video card and the 4000+

[fitzy]

that i forgot speakers and such

[DonVito]

This monitor is highly recommended for gaming
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824179014

Just my 2 cents

[Amazin Caucasian]

the 3500+ venice isnt even on there....thats 2004 not 2005....nforce3 not nforce4. still....i dont think there is a noticeable difference to justify spending the extra 100-200 bucks...save it for RAM or another card. Videocard is more important than the CPU in games. It goes Videocard then RAM then CPU.

Edit: What kind of setup do you want for speakers?? 2.1, 5.1, 7.1??

[fitzy]

i would also like to get books and magazines so any suggestions would be nice

[blue60007]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian Wetsern Digital Raptor is for the OS and applications...the Maxtor is for games/demos/documents/other storage. THe performance is DEFINITELY worth it...sry bud on this one im gonna have to say u r incorrect. Edit: Fitzy what is sort of sad??

Yes the Raptor has awesome performance, but it will fill up and be full in no time. I'm just saying, you're paying a lot of money for little storage. It all depends on how you want to spend your money, there's nothing really wrong with using the Raptor for the OS and is worth the money but I'd rather spend my money on more storage and slower performance. His choice though...

[rspassey]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian the 3500+ venice isnt even on there....thats 2004 not 2005....nforce3 not nforce4. still....i dont think there is a noticeable difference to justify spending the extra 100-200 bucks...save it for RAM or another card. Videocard is more important than the CPU in games. It goes Videocard then RAM then CPU.

I disagree, but this thread isnt for argueing over that. In the end it will be up the the person purchasing the parts what he wants to buy and use.
I will say that if you want to build a coputer for future upgrade ability it would be worth getting the 4000+, that will out last the 3500+ and right now there are none to very very little gain with having two 7800gtxs than just one, that more a waste of 510$, even if he got the 3500+ i would not recomend getting both cards at once...get it when the time is right and save that cash now.

[jfk]

ryan,

The difference between an old core 3500+ and the 4000+ is about 5 fps, or about 5%. I don't know the price differential, and don't feel like looking right now, but I'm confident it is at least $150. Do you HONESTLY believe that is a big enough difference to offset the cost difference? You absolutely will not see a 5 fps difference in a game situation. Period. It is certainly no problem if you want to have the "best" and win the benchmarking contest, but in real life, you will not notice that difference in game performance. JMO.

[Amazin Caucasian]

Originally Posted by blue60007 Yes the Raptor has awesome performance, but it will fill up and be full in no time. I'm just saying, you're paying a lot of money for little storage. It all depends on how you want to spend your money, there's nothing really wrong with using the Raptor for the OS and is worth the money but I'd rather spend my money on more storage and slower performance. His choice though...

I have had my computer for 4 months and I have used only 12 out of my 37 GB's. They do not fill up quickly.

Thank you JFK....ryan, like i sad no NOTICEABLE difference to justify cost. SLi in general doesnt benefit that much....so why do u keep recommending it?? I am just making a list w/ SLi because he wanted one.

Fitzy....for my first build I used Maximum PC it was very good IMO detailed descriptions and pictures. THer are several online free ones like PCmech's or tom'shardware.

[DonVito]

[QUOTE=Amazin Caucasian]the 3500+ venice isnt even on there....thats 2004 not 2005....nforce3 not nforce4. still....i dont think there is a noticeable difference to justify spending the extra 100-200 bucks...save it for RAM or another card. Videocard is more important than the CPU in games. It goes Videocard then RAM then CPU.

Yep. You will see a big difference between the 4000 and 3500 in programs such as Sandra and 3Dmark, because those are made to max out the cpu's capabilities. Real world programs such as games dont do this. Notice in Doom III, the difference between the two was only 5 fps. It will be a LONG time before a 3500 becomes inadequate for gaming. As Amazin said, spend the money on a video card. I would recommend getting one 7800gtx insted of two 7800gt's.

[imadad]

I'm very happy with the 4000 and I would highly recommend it. The 4000 will give you a fair amount more time before needing to upgrade your processor. Make sure to get the San Diego versus the Clawhammer. Save money on the monitor. This Acer with 8ms response time is more than enough.

[rspassey]

You cant build a 2000$ computer where your video cards cost 3 times as much as the processor, it just isnt practicle, even if they cost 2 times as much it still in not practicle. Go with one 7800Gtx and the 4000+ IMO. Then later on if you feel like you need to add the second videocard do so, and in a year or two it will proabably cost half as much.

[Amazin Caucasian]

if there is a bottleneck...then its not practicle. Here there is no bottleneck. Therfore, this is practicle and saving money rather than upping the processor just to avoid the near triple in cost between the processor and the videocard...Getting a second videocard in a year or two there will be new and better technology and one of those cards will outperform two of your GTX's....right there is the problem with buying another card later.

[Yaden]

I agree with others, get one Geforce 7800 GTX now and a second one in a year. An Athlon 3500 should do you rather well imo, go 4000 if you really want to spent a little extra.

-Yaden