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12-21-2005, 04:59 PM
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Gaming System Bound, Need Help With Components
I've got a Dell Dimension 2400 and it is just buggy as ****, magically I manage to escape with my head cool regularly; after years of working my patience. Here I sit in desperate need of a computer that will play my RPG's and FPS's and RTS's and crap, without freaking out before I save. At startup my computer lags and I can't even turn it off the right way anymore I have to hold the power button till it turns off.
>Regardless I need help picking out for a computer that is reliable and gaming equipped? Willing to spend at most like 2 grand, cause I need a car too. Wondering if I needed SLI for certain, how much RAM would be appropriate for a reliable PC more specifically whether I should go SDRAM, DDRAM, or RDRAM, maybe I should consider LINUX, I mean if I'm going to start building computers and working with a good one I'll spend more time actually getting somewhere rather than sitting here waiting for it to work. Programming might be fun. But for now I was also really wondering how great of a processor should I get I was thinking an Omega Radeon 5.12 would be the optimal choice but I can't even figure out how to purchase them. Was really wondering how great the motherboard has to be? I was thinking Asus A8R-MVP Socket 939 ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Crossfire ATX AMD Crossfire. Well sorry if I couldn't format that better that was kinda just like a stream of conscienceness, but most importantly what parts should I stress the importance of? |
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12-21-2005, 05:30 PM
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I would go for 2GB of Corsair DDRAM. Do not choose Linux if you are wild about gaming (Windows isn't that bad, is it?
 ). Go with a DFI motherboard, as they have nicely priced versions that are highly overclockable.I'd stress getting a fast processor from AMD and focusing on a nice graphics card. Get at least 1GB of RAM to be safe, and make sure you have plenty of power to run this rig. I'll write more later, I have to eat dinner . . . |
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12-21-2005, 06:27 PM
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As a starting point, i'd suggest getting together a basic list of parts yourself that can then be fine tuned. Search the forums for $2000 builds, there will be plenty of recent ones that should give you an idea what you can get for the money.
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12-21-2005, 08:20 PM
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OK question should I get an SLI built rig and how does that work do you just get any two video card or are there more requirement than just a special PSU and motherboard capabilities, what do I need to know when picking out a motherboard?
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12-21-2005, 08:51 PM
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Here's a build you could look into.
MOBO --- ASUS A8R-MVP ATX AMD CrossFire Motherboard - $139 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131584 Main HDD --- Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $156 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144160 Storage HDD* --- Maxtor MaXLine Plus III 7L300S0 300GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $129 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144186 (You might need a molex to sata cable.) PROCESSOR --- AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 1GHz FSB 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail - $400 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103547 RAM --- OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Platinum System Memory - Retail - $236.44 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227210 PSU --- XCLIO XCLIO-550BL ATX 550W Power Supply 115V/230V UL, CUL, TUV, CB, VDE, FIMKO, DEMKO, NEMKO, SEMKO - Retail - $74.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817189001 GFX CARD --- ATI 100-435513 Radeon X800XL 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $279 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102543 Sound Card --- Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Platinum 8 (7.1) Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail - $185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829102190 Combo Drive --- LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 1.5M Cache IDE Combo Drive - Retail - $29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106992 Dvd Burner/Light-Scribe --- HP Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 40X CD-ROM IDE DVD Burner - Retail - $89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827140014 Floppy Drive --- MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal 8 in 1 Floppy Drive Model FA404A/404M BLK - OEM - $21.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16821104104 -------------- Total: $1341.40 ---- Extra things? ---- Case (If needed): --- Thermaltake Xaser III V1420A Black Aluminum/ Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Silent Purepower Power Supply - Retail - $160 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133108 Case Fans (If wanted, make your case colorful ;D): --- AeroCool CHAMELEON 80mm Sleeve Multi-Color LED Light Case Cooling Fan - Retail (10.49 x 4 Fans) = $41.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835129230 --- ASPIRE CF4SL-UBL-LED 80mm Blue LED Light Fan - Retail (6 x 2 Fans) = $12 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811998101 --- Thermaltake A2016 80mm 1 Ball 1 Sleeve Blue LED Light Case Cooling Fan - Retail (13.99 x 1 Fan) = $13.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811999120 OS (If needed) --- Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 - OEM - $161.95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16837102153 Speakers (If needed, and to go with that super X-fi Sound card!) --- Creative Inspire P7800 90 Watts 7.1 Speaker - Retail - $86 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16836116153 Mouse (Might want if you're into FPS) --- Razer Copperhead Tempest RZ01-050100-R1M1 Blue 7 Buttons 1x Wheel Gold plated USB 2000 DPI Laser Engine Gaming Mouse - Retail - $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826153105 Total of Extra Stuff: $542.89 Final Total: $1883.29 This should just give you an idea of what you could get, feel free to drop whatever things you may not need (like the fans/speakers/storage drive,ect), alittle abit more, and you can get a lcd too, I guess. Hope this just helps give you an idea. 
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12-21-2005, 09:01 PM
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No that was like perfect dude that gives me a perfect idea as to how I can play with this thanks.
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12-22-2005, 07:46 AM
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Ive heard alot of bad things about that processor its apparently not very good for gaming and i wouldnt recomend
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12-22-2005, 08:43 AM
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Dual cores are not currently not worth it for gaming. Games today dont take advantage of the second core.
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12-22-2005, 09:52 AM
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Antec Solution SLK3000-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
ASUS A8N-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4600BVBOX - Retail SeaSonic S12-600 ATX12V 600W Power Supply - Retail eVGA Geforce 7800GTX 256 GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory Model VS2GBKIT400C3 - Retail Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner Model SOHW-1693S Black - Retail NEC Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Microsoft Windows XP HOME Edition With Service Pack 2 - OEM That's something to get you started...you could also drop in a sound card.
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12-22-2005, 10:11 AM
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OK thing is I want to pick them myself, it's awesome that you guys give me suggestions, but in particular I'd really like to know:
1.Is SLI worth investing in, and why? 2.Could someone give me a link arguing the AMD vs other motherboards like ASUS? 3.I was thinking about the Pentium 3GHz but where I haven't seen much on it? 4.If it's Geforce that makes it NVIDIA and I have to buy a motherboard complemetary to that right? 5.Do I have to worry about pins for RAM? 6.Should I worry about RAID features, or should I just use one HDD? 7.One more thing, is 56x like a standard now for D and E drive? |
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12-22-2005, 10:12 AM
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Oh and I really wanted to learn more about Omega but I can't seem to like find anywhere to purchase them
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12-22-2005, 10:21 AM
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Alright, sure, picking out the parts is half the fun.
1) Depends on who you talk to. On your budget it sounds like you could buy a top of the line single video card every year. That might be a better idea than going with SLI. 2) ASUS boards are the best to use with AMD. And ASUS or Intel boards for Intel processors 3) You probably haven't heard of Intel being used much because many people think that Intel isn't good for gaming. Intel works just as well as AMD at gaming. Sure the numbers might be slightly higher, but the *real world* difference isn't noticeable. They both get the job done. 4) If you want to use SLI and nVidia video cards, of course you'd have to use a SLI motherboard. However, if you just want to stick with a single card, then you don't have to have a specific motherboard. As long as it has a PCI-E x16 slot, and that's what your video card is (and should be) it will work. 5) Yes. Right now AMD motherboards only use 184 pin DDR 400. If you decide to go with Intel, the newer boards use 240 pin DDR2 533 or 667. 6) I would recommend just getting one drive and avoiding RAID. RAID can be tricky to set up. One thing to consider would be getting one 10,000 rpm Raptor (Western Digital) drive to put your OS and apps on. And then getting a drive with a 16MB Cache to put your files on. 7) Yeah, for CD drives. Here's a suggestion for an optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106009 Omega? Those aren't video cards. Those are just redone drivers for video cards. The aforementioned Omega 5.12 are drivers for ATi video cards. Don't worry about them, I would just use the regular drivers. Last edited by blue60007; 12-22-2005 at 10:24 AM. |
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12-22-2005, 10:25 AM
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1) SLI is a nice option to have, I see it as a great option for upgrade. Buy a good graphics card now, then further down the line, add another when you need to - they'll be cheaper then.
2) Do you mean AMD vs Intel? Or just other motherboards than ASUS? 3) AMD or Intel is mostly a personal preference. 4) Nvidia makes the Geforce line of cards. Buying a motherboard with the Nvidia-made nForce chipset has little to do with the aspect of 'matching' it to your video card, more the fact that it's the best AMD chipset. 5) The RAM pin configuration changes between DDR and DDR2. You'll need DDR for an AMD build, DDR2 for a modern Intel. 6) RAID can be useful, but has many downsides. Search the forums for a description 7) 56x is a standard for CD drives. 16x is standard for DVD drives, which ususally play CDs at 48x or 56x - it makes little difference. Freakitchen Edit: Blue beat me too it....hope our answers match!! |
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12-22-2005, 02:24 PM
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You guys are freakin awesome, this sites the best! I can't believe how knowledgeable about comps I've become in just 3 short days!
Here's my list: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window - $55 NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner - $39 ZALMAN RESERATOR 1 Fanless Water Cooling System (Reservoir+Radiator+Water Pump) - $193 Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - 2x$156 CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - $238 BenQ FP91G+ Black 19" 8ms LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 550:1 0.294mm Pixel Pitch - $296-246 after rebate ASUS P4P800SE Socket 478 Intel 865PE ATX Intel Motherboard - $94 Antec TruePower 2.0 TP2-550 EPS12V ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL - $100 just for the SLI capabilities Intel Pentium 4 3.4E Prescott 800MHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 478 Processor - $284 I heard you could OC to 3.98GHz but I don't even know how to overclock Turtle Beach CATALINA 8 (7.1) Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - $50 |
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12-22-2005, 02:31 PM
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Looks good...but you have a few outdated technologies there. Switch to LGA775 CPUs and motherboard, and one that has DDR2 533 as a standard. DDR2 533 RAM is the cheapest right now.
You also forgot a video card Make sure you get a board with PCI-E x16 and a PCI-E video card.Also you won't need the server version of that power supply. Power Supply Motherboard Suggestion You'll also want an Intel 650 to go along, plus some DDR2 533 RAM. You won't need XMS RAM unless you plan on doing serious overclocking...the Value Select works just as well. Also you should search around for articles on watercooling, and decide if you want to go with it. |
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12-22-2005, 03:04 PM
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12-22-2005, 08:13 PM
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Ya sorry, I had to an appointment and really wanted to post the message before I left, because I have a nuisance of a brother that had already went to a different site while I had gotten up simply pressing back as a lazy way to reverse what he had done, and in the end made me retype it.
Here is my speakers and Keyboard and Mouse and Videocard: Logitech X-230 32 Watts RMS 2.1 Speaker - $33 eVGA 256-P2-N518 Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - $380 Logitech Cordless Comfort Duo 967230-0403 Black 105 Normal Keys 12 Function Keys PS/2 RF Wireless Ergonomics Keyboard Mouse Included - $74 I've been taking into account what addict said about Intel and have decided to use an Asus that works for AMD but don't know which processor to use in place of the 3.4GHz Pentium 4, I really like that speed and I know that the clock time is usually better on AMD Athlon but the clock time was exceptionally high I thought for Pentium at 90nm but what does the 800MHz mean here are there two speads of a processor, I guess so but for what, and what does it mean to have an L2 cache why do they all say L2 and what does the cache size identify lastly, this should help me understand processors a little better I think... I really do want to learn this thing inside out, I'm dedicated, but my learning process doesn't usually include sitting in front of a book, I'm sorry, I love the interactivity of the computer while at the same time hating the level of annoyance usually accompanying the internet browsing that you have to do to usually gain info on the comp, HAVE I SAID THAT I LOVE THIS SITE "MUA, BELICIMO" I have no idea where that came from |
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