New build will not boot into life?

[The Specialist]

Okay, this is my first time, but something is not right because I get “nothing at all “when I power up.
Dead as a dog!
Checked all my wiring and all seems okay.
There are a few glitches that I ran into during the build.
The case manufacture had a schematic for every wire that came in the case harness except two the “power switch “.
So I took it upon myself to put those two on the Power switch pins.
The two wires they did mention were the two labeled power led wires in their harness with directions to connect to Power Switch “- not led?
So I might have a problem with the above though I have all ready tried them all using several different configurations.
Another area that gave me some concern was the CPU \ Heat Sink and fan that I purchased.
Not sure, maybe I am shorting out on the board the way I installed it.
I took the black bottom metal plate shown and positioned it under the MOB with the four screw holes protruding up through the board.
(This after I popped off and removed the black plastic frame shown that surrounds the CPU)
I then put my heat compound on top of the CPU and tightened down the heat sink fan to the top of the CPU.
(No instructions as to how to install this unit)
Last,
The P4 CPU I am using comes from my working Dell Dim 8300 computer that was working fine.
Any ideas where I have messed up or …..
Thanks everyone for the great information I am gaining from this site!

(Apparently I need more though)

[not important]

Perhaps the Dell PSU is a propriatary unit and won't work with that MOBO?
You can try shorting across the two "Power" pins with a screwdriver but this is the best way.
http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=132409

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by The Specialist The case manufacture had a schematic for every wire that came in the case harness except two the “power switch “. So I took it upon myself to put those two on the Power switch pins. The two wires they did mention were the two labeled power led wires in their harness with directions to connect to Power Switch “- not led? So I might have a problem with the above though I have all ready tried them all using several different configurations.

The power switch connectors should go to the PWR ON pins. Case manuals aren't always correct.

Originally Posted by The Specialist Another area that gave me some concern was the CPU \ Heat Sink and fan that I purchased. Not sure, maybe I am shorting out on the board the way I installed it. I took the black bottom metal plate shown and positioned it under the MOB with the four screw holes protruding up through the board. (This after I popped off and removed the black plastic frame shown that surrounds the CPU) I then put my heat compound on top of the CPU and tightened down the heat sink fan to the top of the CPU. (No instructions as to how to install this unit)

Yes, you may be shorting out the motherboard (CPU socket area) with that metal bracket...is it touching any of the solder joints under the motherboard? And what brand and model is that heatsink?

Originally Posted by The Specialist Last, the P4 CPU I am using comes from my working Dell Dim 8300 computer that was working fine.

Exactly which P4 is it? A Williamette? Northwood? Prescott?

Cricket

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by Cricket The power switch connectors should go to the PWR ON pins. Case manuals aren't always correct.Yes, you may be shorting out the motherboard (CPU socket area) with that metal bracket...is it touching any of the solder joints under the motherboard? And what brand and model is that heatsink?Exactly which P4 is it? A Williamette? Northwood? Prescott? Cricket

Well I took the system apart and layed it across the bench. this time I unplugged every piece of hardware one plug at a time while trying to boot the machine and nothing.
I checked the cpu cooler plate and it does have four small rubber feet that keeps itself from making contact with the bottom of the board. ( about 1/8").
I also have risers all the way around the case that keeps the bottom of the MOB a good distance away from the case.
The brand is Dynatron on the CPU heatsink fan.
Re checked the seating of the CPU - good.
I have it all together again, and the two pins I just freed up for shorting with a screwdiver read
Pwr Swtch + and -
I'm getting nothing.

Back when I purchased this Hardware, I went to the Dell site to see if I could cross ref the numbers on the CPU but I could not gain much info.
The service manual gave the correct number of pins, mhz, HT tech etc.
And the manual mentioned I had an intel chip set on the board.
When I picked this new MOB the specs said it will work with all the Intel Pent 4 CPU's mentioned above, HT tech, etc.
Plus this this board has an intel chipset.
Close as I could get for fitment at the time

[glc]

Post the model of that motherboard. Post the brand and model of the power supply. Remove the heatsink, clean off the top of the processor, read all the numbers and post them.

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by glc Post the model of that motherboard. Post the brand and model of the power supply. Remove the heatsink, clean off the top of the processor, read all the numbers and post them.

Motherboard.

Brand MSI.
Model NEO 2-V 865 PE
HT Ready, Prescott Ready

Power Supply - 500W

Brand Rosewell
Model Extreme Edition RE 501-SLV


CPU out of Dell Dimension 8300
Seven lines on top of CPU from top to bottom is below.

Intel
Pentium 4
3GHZ/512/800
SL6WK Malay
L347B167
M404B168
1Z48

Thanks!

[glc]

I'd be suspect of the Rosewill power supply - they are not made by a quality manufacturer. Not saying that it *is* the problem, but it's quite possible.

Are you sure you connected the 2x2 pin auxiliary power connector that's about halfway between the Northbridge heatsink and the rear panel connectors?

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by glc I'd be suspect of the Rosewill power supply - they are not made by a quality manufacturer. Not saying that it *is* the problem, but it's quite possible. Are you sure you connected the 2x2 pin auxiliary power connector that's about halfway between the Northbridge heatsink and the rear panel connectors?

Yes,
MOB power connector is plugged in, and I also tried the Dell Power suppy as well.
Still nothing.
I am wondering if that Dell chip might be a priority CPU to the Dell board.
Reason being, I have noticed two of the exact intel CPU's for sale on several sites with the only difference in specs beining one says OEM and the other does not.
Along with about $10.00 in price difference.
One fellow also mentioned this is where the Dell logo screen is inbedded that comes up durinng pre-post bootup.
I did format my HD once and still had that logo screen come up after.
Wierd.
Again, I am not an expert but am repeating what some others have mentioned.
Suspicious over that CPU now.

[Panama Red]

Your cpu should work fine with that mobo. I don't believe Dell has anything proprietary done to their processors. If your mobo is receiving power from the power supply and is in a "ready" state awaiting a switch closure of the Power Switch, you should see an LED on the board that is lit. The power supply should have a switch labled "l-0" to turn it on and off externally. Make sure it is in the "l" position. (Sorry for the review of basics but we've all forgot to turn on a psu before!) If the led does light up but the system won't start, you have a component problem. It's also possible that using the Dell power supply may have damaged the mobo. Some Dells use a proprietary wiring layout for their 20 pin connector. Check the colors and placement of the two power supplies you have used. If they are the same colors in the same positions on the 20 pin, rule out damage. But if they are different you may have a dead mobo.

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by Panama Red Your cpu should work fine with that mobo. I don't believe Dell has anything proprietary done to their processors. If your mobo is receiving power from the power supply and is in a "ready" state awaiting a switch closure of the Power Switch, you should see an LED on the board that is lit. The power supply should have a switch labled "l-0" to turn it on and off externally. Make sure it is in the "l" position. (Sorry for the review of basics but we've all forgot to turn on a psu before!) If the led does light up but the system won't start, you have a component problem. It's also possible that using the Dell power supply may have damaged the mobo. Some Dells use a proprietary wiring layout for their 20 pin connector. Check the colors and placement of the two power supplies you have used. If they are the same colors in the same positions on the 20 pin, rule out damage. But if they are different you may have a dead mobo.

Really,
Thanks for the scoop on the on \ off switch I wasn't sure which position was what, so I kept flipping it.

I have never seen a LED on the board lit and from what I can tell there is none...

I will go check out the two wiring harnesses from the two PS units.

Am I hoping both match perfectly color wise?
Or should I just worry about the reds in the 20pin socket?

[Panama Red]

All should match in the 20 pin plug, oranges, reds, blacks and green. One other thought. The switch on the psu is used to turn on the power supply. You still need to use the power switch on the front of the case to short the two Power pins on the mobo front panel connector. Or use a screwdriver to short the appropriate pins. Just wanted to clarify that.

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by Panama Red All should match in the 20 pin plug, oranges, reds, blacks and green. One other thought. The switch on the psu is used to turn on the power supply. You still need to use the power switch on the front of the case to short the two Power pins on the mobo front panel connector. Or use a screwdriver to short the appropriate pins. Just wanted to clarify that.

Yes,
I have tried it both ways, switch and by shorting with a screwdiver.
Should these two power supplys be able to turn over anything in or out of the case?
Or do they have to be connected to a MOB?
I just plugged the dell PS into the wall and connected a fan to it nothing.
And I have five fans in the case as well, nothing comes to life.
Just wondering if there is an easy way to check if this new 500W power supply is good short of sticking my finger or tongue in it.

[glc]

It has to be connected to the motherboard to turn on, unless you use a power supply tester (http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...184&pfp=SEARCH) or connect one Molex to a load such as a hard drive and jumper it with a paperclip (the green wire to any black wire).

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by glc It has to be connected to the motherboard to turn on, unless you use a power supply tester (http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...184&pfp=SEARCH) or connect one Molex to a load such as a hard drive and jumper it with a paperclip (the green wire to any black wire).

Thanks!


Still dead in the water, I need to get some sleep ( work nights ).


So at this point what should I do,, is the vote unanimous that the CPU is not the cause?


Should I dial 1800 DELL and buy a $1800.00 XPS?

[glc]

Test the PSU, if it works, RMA the motherboard.

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by glc Test the PSU, if it works, RMA the motherboard.

Okay,
I know the Dell PSU works because I removed it from a working system.
Which means we can call it a possible dead MOB..

Now RAM is RAM correct.
I specked out the new MOB to be able to take the 184pin, 3200, 400mhz memory that was in the Dell.
I can't find the brand on the memory it's covered with DELL Labels.

You had also mentioned this wasn't a quality PSU and I wasn't trying to cut corners when I purchased it.

The PSU was one of the higher priced ones from New EGG.

What would you recommend instead,,,something with pretty fans and blue lights of course.

[glc]

Figure out what's wrong first.

If the Dell PSU is proprietary and you connected it to that motherboard, it's VERY likely you blew out the motherboard.

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by glc Figure out what's wrong first. If the Dell PSU is proprietary and you connected it to that motherboard, it's VERY likely you blew out the motherboard.

You just rang a bell.
When I originally put it together I had installed the 500w PSU, but during the process later took it out and exchanged if for the older Dell unit.
This was because when I went to plug in the Rosewell I noticed it was a 24pin plug and not the 20 pin that was supposed to come with the unit.
So I bitched and moaned and put the Dell in ‘first “so the Dell PSU charged the board first.

Later when I was looking at the box that the Roswell came in, it did actually show a 20pin power plug.
I ran the SKU on the new egg sight and sure enough 20pin.
So I took another look at the plug and sure enough there was a keyway at the 20th pin where the connector plug pulls apart

[The Specialist]

Okay,
I just cross examined both cables from the two PSU’s and all the wires \ colors do match.
Also,
Yesterday evening I receive an RMA back from New Egg so I have decided to try another MOB.

Seeing this is my first time, I just want something that was compatible with what I had, and if it works, it’s probably going to go to my wives workplace and next week I will be back with better hardware and probably better questions.

I am going to get on the phone in a few and order two new Dvd drives along with a new board.

This time I am going to give an Asus board a try.

My question now is regarding “ chip sets “ this is an area that I really have no clue about.

When using this Dell Pent 4 do I have to worry about any compatibility issues with board chipsets?

What are Chipsets?

Freaking Newbie

Thanks again everyone,
Mike

[glc]

I would recommend an Asus P4P800 SE.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131484

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by glc I would recommend an Asus P4P800 SE. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131484

This time I need a pat on the back or an ada boy!
I am only one board off from you, it's the same board with a little more expansion possibilities.
My choice because of the Firewire input that is available with this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131492

Thanks,
Mike

[glc]

Excellent choice. There is only one caution with any 865 boards - be very careful with the front USB ports - hotplugging devices *can* zap the Southbridge if there's static electricity around.

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by The Specialist Okay, I just cross examined both cables from the two PSU’s and all the wires \ colors do match. Also, Yesterday evening I receive an RMA back from New Egg so I have decided to try another MOB. Seeing this is my first time, I just want something that was compatible with what I had, and if it works, it’s probably going to go to my wives workplace and next week I will be back with better hardware and probably better questions. I am going to get on the phone in a few and order two new Dvd drives along with a new board. This time I am going to give an Asus board a try. My question now is regarding “ chip sets “ this is an area that I really have no clue about. When using this Dell Pent 4 do I have to worry about any compatibility issues with board chipsets? What are Chipsets? Freaking Newbie Thanks again everyone, Mike

Okay, I have had some more time to play with this today - outcome a DOA Rosewell PSU. ( she running on the old Dell PSU )
I did a search here on what would be and exc PSU and have come to decide on the Antec True Power 550.
So I will be off to purchase that unit ASAP.
I want to thank everyone here for all their input \ suggestions etc.
Will be back shortly with more questions I am sure.
Exc, she booted right up to a the Pent 4 inside screen, and a bios message.
I got tooooo excited to read it.......( probably something serious with my luck )