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06-17-2006, 02:56 PM
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New Build Q's...Click to help Please!
Hello all...thanks for clicking!!!
I just have some Q's for a new build. Let me show you what i'm working with. Keep in mind this is on a tight budget, 600-700 bucks... Gigabyte GA-M51GM-S2G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128009 AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Orleans 2000MHz HT Socket AM2 Processor Model ADA3800CNBOX - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103631 OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ2P8001GK - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227082 Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3808110AS 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148107 COOLER MASTER Centurion 541 RC-541-SKN1 Black Aluminumm bezel, SECC chassis MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119088 Rosewill RV450 ATX12V 450W Power Supply - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182008 SAMSUNG 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Write and LightScribe Black ATA/ATAPI Model SH-S162L/BEBN - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151118 And i also have a couple of case fans and the OS. One main Q that i have is will that ATX PSU fit into the micro case that i picked out? I know rosewill isn't the best brand but this PSU got very good reviews on newegg and its fairly cheap. Also, can everyone please tell me what they think of my build? Any comments would be great...thanks!!  Forgot to add that i will be using onboard video for i am not a gamer. I am just tring to build a fast comp for internet, e-mail, excel, nothing crazy.
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06-17-2006, 03:46 PM
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Don't cheap out on the power supply. You'll regret it later. Secondly, it doesn't have a 24 pin connector needed for PCI-E builds (even with onboard video, you better play it safe). Also, it has no PCI-E 6pin connector even if you did want to add a higher end video card. If you want cheap, look at FSP.
I don't think Samsung drives are noted for reliability. The norm recommend around here is LITE-ON for burners.
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06-17-2006, 04:28 PM
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In addition to what Blue has already said, check Gigabyte's website for the specific memory tested with your motherboard. The new AM2 platform has proved picky with memory.
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06-17-2006, 04:30 PM
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I would go with a mid tower case, you will have working room. micro ATX mobos work in a standard ATX case.
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06-17-2006, 04:46 PM
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I checked their site and there is not much info on their new am2 mobos. Maybe i can try giving them a call and see what they say...
Aslo, what do you guys think about this PSU and DVD burner.... LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model SHW160P6S05 - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106014 FSP Group (Fortron Source) ATX400-PA, version 2.0, SATA, 400W Power Supply - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104952 Also, for my application, do you guys think i should spend the extra 30 bucks and go with a hard disk with 16mb cache?...like maybe this one?... Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YD 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136009 Thanks!!! Last edited by joshrogoff; 06-17-2006 at 04:50 PM. |
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06-17-2006, 04:52 PM
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Those should be OK but if you will want to add a video card at a later date, you will probably need something in the 450 to 550W range depending on the video card.
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06-17-2006, 04:57 PM
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Here is a PDF of the specific memory modules tested with your motherboard.
http://www.giga-byte.com/FileList/Me..._m51gm-s2g.pdf The parts you changed to all look good. The power supply is a good improvement. The 16mb cache hard drives do offer a speed improvement, so it's probably worth going for. Note that with modern harddrives, capacity jumps can be had for just a few dollars, so check the price of the 200 / 250GB versions. FK |
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06-17-2006, 05:02 PM
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$10 more, 250GB. Same price after rebate. |
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06-17-2006, 05:03 PM
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I finially found on gigabytes website that the mobo only supports 1.8V DDR2 DIMMs up to 800 mhz, so the ozm ram i picked out won't work, its 2.1v. Newegg doesn't have any 1.8v dd2 800. so i guess i will have to go with this...
OCZ Value Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ26671024VDC-K - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227059 Or do you gues think i should find a differnt mobo that i can get the faster memory for? |
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06-17-2006, 05:07 PM
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but can't the voltage be adjusted on the mobo? |
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06-17-2006, 05:11 PM
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You really need DDR2-800 with AM2, anything less hurts performance. Per GB's PDF that Freakitchen posted:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145566 It's out of stock though (it's being snatched up for AM2 builds). The voltage shouldn't be an issue. You can usually push the voltage up past what the RAM sets it to in BIOS. |
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06-17-2006, 05:16 PM
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I guess i'll just have to wait for that corsair memory to come in since none of the other brands that were tested by gigabyte are in stock at newegg and i don't want to pay shipping from somewhere else, thats just silly......thanks again everyone!
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06-17-2006, 05:37 PM
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Yeah, I think AM2 is really taxing Corsair's supply line.
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I've heard good things about ZZF: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ctCode=85025-1 |
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06-18-2006, 12:49 AM
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Thanks everyone for all your help! And thanks so much to blue, you are saving me 25 bucks for recomending zipzoomfly! Everything on there is free shipping! And they also have everything i need, so i'm going to order from them! Here is what the final build should look like. I changed the PSU again, but it seems to be a good one...
85025-1 Quantity Limit: 20 Corsair TWIN2X1024A-6400 1GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance Memory w/Black Heat Spreader Retail ***Free Shipping*** Remove $130.00 $130.00 242678 Quantity Limit: 20 Gigabyte M51GM-S2G GeForce 6100 + nForce 430 Athlon 64(FX)(X2) SktAM2 DDR2 M-ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, Serial ATA Retail ***Free Shipping*** Remove $87.49 $87.49 101220-12 Quantity Limit: 20 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB Serial ATA II 7200RPM Hard Drive w/16MB Buffer ***Free Shipping*** Remove $83.99 $83.99 80721-9 Quantity Limit: 20 AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3800+ Socket AM2 (62W) Retail ***Free Shipping*** Remove $148.90 $148.90 141808 Quantity Limit: 20 Coolermaster RC-B541-SKN1 Centurion BTX-B541 Mini Tower Case Retail ***Free Shipping*** Remove $64.99 $64.99 370565 Quantity Limit: 20 Thermaltake W0070RUC TR2 Series 430W Power Supply Retail ***Free Shipping*** Remove $29.99 $29.99 604614 Quantity Limit: 50 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (Full Version) Single-Pack OEM ***Free Shipping*** Remove $89.99 $89.99 170674 Quantity Limit: 20 Liteon SHW160P6S05 16X Dual Layer DVD±RW Bare Drive (Black) ***Free Shipping*** Remove $39.99 $39.99 Sorry, too lazy to do the links, but you all know what that stuff is. What do you all think of the new PSU? I went with one with a pic-e connector just incase of future upgrades. Here is the link just becasue its the only thing that hasn't been discussed... http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=370565 Thanks everyone again!
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06-18-2006, 01:32 AM
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Nope, that's a single +12v rail PSU and it's pretty light on the amps on that rail too. It is NOT a true ATX 2.0 power supply.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=270553 That DVD burner may not come with any software - it *does* say bare drive. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=170675 |
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06-18-2006, 12:02 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions glc, but those additions will make me go over budget. Do you have any other suggestions to cut costs somewhere to keep me under 700?
Thanks! How do you like that FSP PSU posted above? Last edited by joshrogoff; 06-18-2006 at 12:16 PM. |
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06-18-2006, 12:32 PM
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The ATX400-PA is a good unit. It only saves you $2.30 after shipping though.
Looking closer, that case is not compatible - it's BTX, not ATX. If you are on a tight budget, here's the case I use for bargain basement PCI-E builds. It only has a 300 watt power supply, but it *IS* a Fortron, true ATX 2.0 with dual rails. It can handle onboard video and low to midrange video cards, I've used it with Radeon X700 Pros with no problems: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811153042 This should get you back under budget easily. It's a quality case, toolless drive rails, well constructed. If you want to upgrade later to a strong video card, you can replace the power supply at that time. Last edited by glc; 06-18-2006 at 12:39 PM. |
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06-18-2006, 02:40 PM
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Thanks for all the advice glc, you are always a big help. That case + PSU seems like a good deal and would be a good place to cut some cost. I do love the look of that case i picked out though. And they have the atx version on newegg, so i'm good with that. Thanks for pointing out that i had listed the btx by the way!
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06-18-2006, 03:32 PM
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HERE you go - this is an excellent PSU for the price - 300 watts but with all the rest of the right stuff. Only downside is relatively short cables, but you are using a relatively small case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104951 |
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06-18-2006, 03:56 PM
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thanks again glc, you're the best! I was tring to find something similar to that on zzf so i can save on the shipping. They don't carry FSP, and most of their sparkle PSUs are out of stock, i think i'm just going to have to split up my order, it seems to be cheaper that way becasue right now i'm at about 680....thanks again!
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06-19-2006, 08:17 PM
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I was thinking of including a TV tuner card in the build in order to record TV. Can anyone recomend a good card? Something that i can record and play back with, high quality. I don't have HD, so no need for that. Also, how would using unboard video effect recording TV, if any effect at all? Thanks everyone!
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06-20-2006, 02:05 AM
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Take a look at the Hauppage PVR line.
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06-20-2006, 05:12 PM
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Thanks for the reply! Does that card allwo for playback? I looked on their website and i can't tell from the outputs or the description. Does playback have to be acheived through a video card? I ask becasue i was planning on using onboard video for this build for i am not a gamer. Thanks!
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06-21-2006, 11:45 AM
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Playback of recorded video is like any other video - and the onboard video should do that fine.
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06-21-2006, 12:31 PM
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I guess i should have been more specific...i want to play back to a television, not my computer monitor. How would i go about doing that? Sorry, that might be a stupid question....Thanks again glc!
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06-22-2006, 02:41 AM
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Then you need a video card that has S-video and/or composite out. Now you may want to look at a motherboard that doesn't have onboard video. You don't need a fancy video card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102023 This one has S-Video, with an adapter packaged to composite. You will have to run a cable from the line out sound jack on the computer to the TV or receiver. Last edited by glc; 06-22-2006 at 02:52 AM. |
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06-22-2006, 07:02 AM
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I guess i really don't need a mobo with onboard video, but all the m-atx boards come with it, and i was kinda set on building something with a small form factor. I know i can alwalys disable the onboard video in the bios but am i paying for the onboard video unnecessarily? Is it worth it just to go to atx? Thanks again glc!
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06-22-2006, 09:26 AM
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If you really want that case, then micro-atx it is. There is really no cost savings, aney full ATX boards cheaper than that are from questionable manufacturers and/or have an older chipset.
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06-22-2006, 10:49 AM
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Ok, i think i'll just keep the same set up and just add that video card that you recomended. And it can't hurt to have an onboard video back-up i guess. One question though on disabling the onboard video. Would i have to start up the comp into the bios first without the video card and disable the onboard video, or would i just plug in the video card right from the start? Thanks glc!
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06-22-2006, 10:50 AM
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you can switch between onboard and your card in windows in device manager
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