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06-30-2006, 09:24 AM
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reuse HDD to build new PC?
Ok, I am wanting to build my first computer. At the present I have a 7 year old Gateway that the hard drive was replaced in. It has a 100 gig hard drive, which I could put in but I did not know how to partition so I had to pay someone for that. Which I do not want to do this time!! I am hoping to reuse this. We have bought new monitor, keyboard and mouse along the way, so these will not be something we are purchasing.
I guess I need to give some background of what it is used for. I suppose the biggest thing is my husbands business. He does have a software for landscape design that suggest 512MB ram or higher. That would be the biggest program run. Other than that we use office and JASC 8 software. I really want to do something that I can later add to if the need arises. I don’t know if there is much I could use off my old computer. It has 128MB Ram and an Ethernet card; I suppose I could reuse these. The CD drives are so slow on it, I would rather just recycle them Below are the items I have picked out so far. I have no idea what to choose for motherboard, I know this is very important but I got all confused. Also I will not be using it for games but I do want a decent video card, plus sound. I will also be purchasing Windows XP Home with SP2. All suggestions will be appreciated greatly!! I hope I give you all the info you could possibly need to answer my ?'s Here is what I have chosen so far: XION XION II XON-103 Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450W Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811208008 This has fans in it and a power supply. AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 2000MHz HT 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103537 This says it has a fan so do I need to buy a cooling fan? Also I went with this one b/c I recognized the name; I am not above using a different brand for a savings. Any suggestions? NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE/ATAPI 16X DVD±R DVD Burner – OEM http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16827152058 I just got one that would do it all, but do you suggest I also just get a CDR-ROM, too? Patriot Signature Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16820220037 This says PC3200 so will it work with the processor I picked? SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model MPF920 Black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16821103116 LINKSYS EG1032 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter 1x RJ-45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124120 I may could reuse the one from my other computer, it is less than a year old. Zonet ZFM5620-MT 56Kbps PCI Bus (Plug and Play) Data/Fax Modem http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825130007 I send faxes from computer. If I have forgotten something, I am so sorry, the last thing I would want to do is waste your time. Thanks, Kim |
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06-30-2006, 11:44 AM
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the power supply in that case will not be any good. I suggest this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103935 this is a good mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131569 also you need a video card and since you won't be gaming I suggest this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814122203 you also don't need the ethernet card because the mobo has one on it |
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06-30-2006, 11:52 AM
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All you have to do to partition the drive is after you format it and boot the windows cd is to follow the directions the cd says. Make sure you partition it with NTFS and not FAT32. It will all be explained by the windows CD. Which windows do you have and do you have the disk to re-install it when you build the new computer?
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06-30-2006, 01:13 PM
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You can't re-use a copy of an OS from a Gateway...you'll have to get a new copy (you could re-use the hard drive, but why take apart a working computer?) and use it. Also, you can get a new 250GB SATA drive w/16MB cache for $90 or less. If he's doing photo work, more storage won't hurt.
Do you need a modem (are you on dial-up?). Since you were talking about an Ethernet connection, I thought maybe you had DSL/cable. No need for an additional heatsink/fan for the CPU, the retail box has a sufficient one. You might want to get the Retail version of that DVD-RW, I think it comes with burning software. You could get a DVD-ROM, but unless the drive will be getting a lot of use, you wouldn't need to. You could always add another at a later time if necessary. You might look at the Antec Sonata II - it's a nice, quiet, case and comes with a quality 450W power supply. As Ghost mentioned, the one with the XION isn't quality.
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06-30-2006, 02:27 PM
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Thanks ghost for the suggestions, I will still to get a sound card though.
I am not using the old OS it is Windows 98 SE. That may be why it did not walk me through partioning. I thought I would want to do NTFS. The reason I would take it apart is I have no where for an extra computer in my house. We are in tight quarters. Mostly it is just used for storage now for the laptop, we just email everything to it. LOL!! Also with it being Windows 98 a lot of our new software really bogs it down and I do not even think I can add more ram to it. We do have cable internet, but we fax invoices and such directly from the computer. Therefore I thought I would need the modem for this. I did not even realize that with the DVD ROM. So where it says OEM instead of retail, it means I will not get the software? Glad I checked here! I am going right now to check out the Antec Sonata II that way I will not have to buy an additional power supply. Also I went to newegg.com but is there somewhere else that you all would suggest. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you |
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06-30-2006, 02:39 PM
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Is this the tower you were talking about?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129155 It looks like you have to open it maybe from side to side each time to use it? Does that appear right? Also I was hoping to get a little cheaper than that but that would be OK. Thanks |
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06-30-2006, 02:43 PM
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For the video card I would suggest something in the ATI Radeon family, say a 9600 PRO or 9600 XT. Or, for a bit more, perhaps the X1300. Reason I suggest this over the Nvidia is that among people who do graphics, the ATI is known to do a better job with 2D graphics, and still does a good job with 3D graphics too.
That is an excellent DVD-RW you chose, I have the very same unit. You do not need an extra CD_ROM unless you like to copy CDs. The retail version comes with a limited version of the Nero software. For full functionality, you'd have to upgrade that software anyway. |
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06-30-2006, 02:46 PM
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Windows 98 SE needs to be installed on a FAT32 file system - it cannot use NTFS. If you are using Windows 98SE, keep in mind that you are limited to 512MB of memory. I suggest you consider Windows XP or Windows 2000.
You would want to look at retail instead of OEM on the DVD drive. With this, as well, you *may* face software requirement problems using Windows 98. Newegg is the only place I buy from - great service, great price. kram
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06-30-2006, 02:49 PM
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06-30-2006, 02:58 PM
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I am going to check out the video cards now, and I still have to get a sound card. Thanks |
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06-30-2006, 03:03 PM
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Are you sure you need a floppy drive?
Many prebuild pc's aren't even using them these days. Unless you have a bunch of old stuff on floppy disk, you may not need that. USB flash drives are the "new floppy" these days. Yes, that DVD drive will burn DVDs (single and dual layer) and CDs. It will play movies (DVD), music CDs, etc. You can probably skip getting a second CD-ROM drive then ... add one later if you find you need it 
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06-30-2006, 03:05 PM
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06-30-2006, 03:14 PM
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Pretty much any pc made the last few years (prebuilt or homemade/upgrade) can be set up to boot from a CD (or CD/DVD) drive in the BIOS settings. It's very easy to make a bootable floppy disk, but if you're going to be buying the retail version of WinXP, that would come with a bootable CD. So, we're back to ... unless you have old software/data on floppy, you may not need one. Granted, they're cheap ... but I guess I'd rather conserve the power/resources if it's something I don't need. Still, no harm to put one in, that's for sure.
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06-30-2006, 03:20 PM
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Well then I would say that is something I can mark off my list b/c I have converted all my stuff from floppys a long time ago.
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06-30-2006, 03:31 PM
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Is there really any difference in these two?
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440 or this Patriot Signature Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16820220037 |
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06-30-2006, 03:40 PM
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Sorry one more question? I looked at the ATI Radeon 9600. What does OEM mean? I see there is a small price difference between it and retail. Also how would it compare to the
Leadtek PX6600TD-256 Geforce 6600 256MB 128-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814122203 Below is the first one mentioned... ATI 100-714145 Radeon 9600 256MB 128-bit DDR VIVO AGP 4X/8X All-In-Wonder 2006 Edition Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102581 |
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06-30-2006, 03:48 PM
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The motherboard that you choose will most likely only be able to use either a PCI-express video card, or an AGP one. AGP is the outgoing standard, PCI-express (which is different from regular PCI expansion slots) is the incoming standard. The first board in your post is PCI-express, the second one is AGP. That is difference No. 1. Second, the first board has graphics chips made by Nvidia, which are great for games and 3D effects. The second board has graphics chips made by ATI, which is a different company. ATI (Radeon) is the one that is a little better at doing 2D graphics (most of what you see on your screen most of the time is 2D, as are photographs).
The All-in-Wonder series of boards is cool because it includes a tv tuner and software to record tv programming. There are other Radeon 9600 Pros that cost about half what that board does, though, but they don't have the tv tuner. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102600 OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer. What that means is that these would be boards furnished to computer manufacturers. So they lack retail packaging, sometimes there aren't "mounting screws" for hard drives that are OEM, there usually isn't included software, etc. Sometimes the warranty is shorter for OEM products. But they are less costly, and often perform equally to retail versions of the same products. Last edited by XenaWP; 06-30-2006 at 03:53 PM. |
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06-30-2006, 03:50 PM
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As for OEM vs Retail, when you buy OEM, you are buying whitebox bulk parts. It usually comes with just the part itself bubble wraped, a driver CD, just enough screws and a basic manual. Retail parts come in the pretty boxes with all the manuals and little cards and the like, along with whatever cables you might need, extra screws, and most of the time some extra software. When buying video cards I don't usually bother with retail because there isn't much extra besides the card that you really need or that won't come with another part anyway. Besides retail is a waste of packing material. The only parts that you really should buy retail to save the trouble of buying the small stuff like screws, is the motherboard, processor, and optical drives (unless buying Lite-On which gives you everything you need in their OEM boxes)
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06-30-2006, 04:13 PM
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Ok, here is what I have so far:
XION XION II XON-103 Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450W Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811208008 Actually I guess I am looking for another one with a better power supply but I need something comparable in price. Not sure if that can be done… AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 2000MHz HT 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103537 Would you go with less or this? ASUS A8N5X Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131569 Again is this too much for what I be using it for, or is it sufficient? NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE/ATAPI 16X DVD±R DVD Burner – OEM http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16827152058 CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory – Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440 SAPPHIRE 100575L-RD Radeon 9600XT 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card – Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102600 Zonet ZFM5620-MT 56Kbps PCI Bus (Plug and Play) Data/Fax Modem http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825130007 I send faxes from computer. I don‘t think I have forgot anything. Will all this mesh? Actually I realize I still have not figured out which sound card to use… Also can you get the media bays (not sure what it is called?) that will take the different cards from digital cameras? Thanks |
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06-30-2006, 04:23 PM
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Ok, that Asus motherboard has the PCI express slots, so the Sapphire video board won't workee in it. So let's see what we can do for video ....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127176 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102651 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102631 Or you can spend a bit less or a LOT more ... all to your liking. Just make sure, if you want to search some more, that you look for PCI-express (PCI-E, PCI Express, different variations) and not AGP. Here are their multi-card readers. You can mount one in the case or use a USB plug-in version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
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06-30-2006, 04:28 PM
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06-30-2006, 04:41 PM
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That's a really good board (the mother bd.) and a good value. Plus, changing the Mother Bd will affect other choices like the RAM and processor. PCI-express is going to serve you well into the future, when AGP boards will be getting scarce as hen's teeth. I think you've made good choices.
The X800 video board should perform well and with that rebate it's a good value. Plus, the ratings are a bit higher on it. Last edited by XenaWP; 06-30-2006 at 04:43 PM. |
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06-30-2006, 05:25 PM
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Any suggestions on how to get a decent case and power supply for under $70? They can be together or seperate.
Also what simple sound card would you suggest? Most of the time we do not even have the speakers on, but we do use occasionally. |
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06-30-2006, 06:01 PM
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That motherboard has pretty decent built in 8 channel sound already.
It would probably be in the $70+/- range for a sound card that would be noticably better. And unless you have some pretty good speakers, it wouldn't make much difference anyway.
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06-30-2006, 06:45 PM
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I recommend and so do a lot of others the Antec Sonata II case because it's a nice case and has a good power supply with it. It is currently on backorder at newegg though. Since you won't be gaming you don't need an expensive video card unless you are doing video editing or something along those lines so I suggest getting a pci-express video card that is less expensive then what everybody else is saying (like around 70-80 bucks) unless you don't mind spending more money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129155 Last edited by Ghost(BOO!); 06-30-2006 at 06:49 PM. |
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06-30-2006, 07:46 PM
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Thanks!! Last edited by paydaymom; 06-30-2006 at 08:30 PM. |
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07-01-2006, 09:09 PM
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What about this tower? It is a little cheaper and in stock...
Antec Solution SLK3800B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Rackmount Case 400Watt (SP400) SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V 2.0 for AMD™ & Intel systems Power Supply - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129163 |
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07-01-2006, 09:40 PM
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I'd say in that one the power supply is a little weak...
Also...I dont know if you noticed but the 3800+ A64 cpu is only 145.00 at the egg (3800-venice) and is only a few more dollars than the 3000-venice and a bunch more puting power...Just a thought...
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07-01-2006, 09:58 PM
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I am having a hard time deciding on a decent case b/c I do not know what to look for.
Is this the cpu you are talking about? AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Orleans 2000MHz HT 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103631 Maybe I could just bump it up a little and use this to save some precious $$: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 2000MHz HT 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103533 Also anyone speak up if anything I have choosen will not be upgradeable in the future, that is one of the main reasons I am wanting to build... Last edited by paydaymom; 07-01-2006 at 10:19 PM. |
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