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07-21-2006, 02:18 PM
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I hope I don't screw up...
Ok. I bought all the components except the ram which I returned to newegg because I got the wrong one. I just started building today and I am following these instructions...http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/step/1/. I just thought I'd ask for some suggestions. Thanks in advance and I hope I don't screw up.
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07-21-2006, 02:51 PM
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This is a good thread to follow when building a machine for the first time: http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=132409 one of the most common faults when building a machine for the first time is shorting the rear of the motherboard to the case chassis, this can stop the machine from POSTing (Power On Self Test) what a machine does everytime you start it up, take your time and remember there is no such thing as a stupid question, ask all the questions you want, if you are unsure of anything just ask all the guys and girls here will be more than willing to help.
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07-21-2006, 03:16 PM
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I don't understand you when you say "one of the most common faults when building a machine for the first time is shorting the rear of the motherboard to the case chassis, this can stop the machine from POSTing (Power On Self Test) what a machine does everytime you start it up" I do know what a POST is but I don't know what the case chassis is.
Also, my mobo has a 3-pin thing for the LED lights but my case has only a 2-pin. Where should I plug the 2-pin LED lights to. Thanks in advance. EDIT: I know this may sound stupid ,but what is a system chassis? Last edited by NoobAtThis; 07-21-2006 at 03:25 PM. |
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07-21-2006, 03:25 PM
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The 'chassis' is basically the case itself, and where the motherboard mounts to. The shorting rjvillarosa referred to happens when builders install too many standoffs (aka mounting posts) than required. Only install them directly underneath where the motherboard has a screw hole (the case will have extra holes for various motherboard types).
As a new builder, I'd recommend performing the first post in accordance with the directions in this thread: http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=132409 If you get a display, then you know you have good core components, and can continue with the build. FK EDIT: Cross Post http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=162309
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07-21-2006, 03:31 PM
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Can anybody please tell me how I install my SATA HDD and optical drive. I think I hook up the SATA HDD to a SATA slot and the optical drive to the master IDE slot. Right? If it's not wil it cause harm to my rig? Thanks in advance.
Also, how do I put that wierd thing at the bottom. Where you could type in your rig and it stays their permantely. Last edited by NoobAtThis; 07-21-2006 at 06:49 PM. |
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07-21-2006, 07:10 PM
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I closed your other thread since this one is active now. In the future keep your questions to one thread.
Yes, you connect your SATA drive to the SATA port on the mobo and you connect your optical drive to IDE. You can edit your signature by clicking on "User CP" in the top left of the screen. |
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07-21-2006, 07:45 PM
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Oh, sorry and thanks. I might finish building today but I still need to get the ram. Do you think I should do while I wait for the ram?
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07-21-2006, 07:50 PM
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I would sit tight and wait for the ram. Your computer can't do anything without it.
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07-21-2006, 09:21 PM
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Please keep coming here daily because I will definetley Have Q's after I get the ram which is this one....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145450. And can someone please tell me if this ram is compatible with this mobo... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131517. Thanks for all your help guys because it's going to save me a LOT of money. PC mech and newegg rules! By the way what's Overclocking. I think it has to do with cool green tubes sticking out of a computer. Last edited by NoobAtThis; 07-21-2006 at 09:35 PM. |
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07-21-2006, 09:39 PM
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07-21-2006, 10:46 PM
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The RAM looks fine. Unless you are overclocking, some Value Select will work too - for a bit less. Overclocking is setting your CPU/GPU/RAM/etc to run at higher frequencies and higher voltages to squeeze every last drop of performance out...I think you are thinking of water cooling with the tubes.
Click on the download link to the rebate (where it says $x after $y rebate) and that should load the PDF file. Print that off and fill it out and mail it in - read the fine print carefully and make sure you send in all proofs (UPC's, receipt, etc)...you can search for ones that have expired from your account screen.
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07-21-2006, 10:59 PM
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Thanks blue. Well, I hope my first rig acutally works... What should I do if it doesn't POST?
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07-21-2006, 11:06 PM
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You double check all the connections and power, then you follow the new build trouble shooter at the top of the forum.
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07-22-2006, 12:24 AM
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It would be a good idea to grab a notebook and the manuals for the parts you have and read through them and note anything specific that you have questions about.
Crosschecking the manuals should answer most of them, if not just ask here. Also keep the notebook handy and record any serial numbers, model numbers, revision numbers etc. off the parts so that you don't have to rip the thing apart if you ever need them. Also use it to record registration keys, passwords, etc. Grab a loose leaf binder with some cd pages for your OS, motherboard, etc. CD's so that they don't get misplaced. If the envelopes have serial #s, keys etc, save them in the binder too. Take your time, and if you aren't sure about something, check the manuals or ask in here.
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07-22-2006, 04:52 PM
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My rig...
Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131517 CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103537 OS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16837102059 PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817148002 Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814141031 CPU Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835186123 HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152045 Optical Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827101131 Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827101131 Ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145450 Questions... 1. Is it compatible? 2. Can I put the HDD in the SATA slot and the optical drive in the IDE slot as the master? 3. I plugged in the PSU and flipped the switch up and down. Is it broken or do I just need to hook it up to the mobo? Thank you guys once again.
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07-22-2006, 07:17 PM
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The PSU is a piece of junk (plus some other explectives). Replace it with something quality from Antec, Forton FSP, Sparkle, to name a few. Something in the 450W is good (Forton has some nicely priced units there). Junk units are known to die easily and possibly take everything else with. If you have an SLI board and plan on using SLI in the future, you'll need an SLI certified unit.
Not using the stock cooler will void your CPU warranty, just so you know. 1) Looksl ike it 2) Put the HDD on primary SATA port (might be labeled something like SATA_1 on the PCB)...and yes, put the optical on the primary IDE slot 3) Not sure what you mean...what switch? the case switch or the one on the back of the PSU? The swith on the PSU won't turn it on, just give it power or cut it off. It has to be hooked up to the motherboard (and everything else of course) and either have the case switch hooked up and press that or short the two switch pins on the mobo. When those two pins complete a circuit (ie, when you press the button the case, or use a screwdriver to connect the two if you are doing an out of case build) the mobo sends a signal to the PSU to turn on. |
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07-22-2006, 07:36 PM
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I should have done more research before buying...I think I'll chance it and try using the junk PSU. Is the Aspire junk PSU better or the PSU that came with the case?
I have more questions... 1. I don't know where to put the 2 front port case USB cable. One USB case cable thing looks like this ''''(4) and the other looks like this '''''(5). My mobo has a USB hooking up slot and looks like this ::::'. 5 pins on top and 4 on the bottom. Anybody know how to hook it up? 2. Is my rig safe to overclock? About 3%?< 3. Finally, how do u put that thing on the bottom. There's a line at the bottom and you could write w/e you want. It shows up every time you post something. Anybody know what I'm talking about? 4. EDIT: When I install the optical drive it won't pop out all the way. I think it's too big...What should I do? And...that's about it  
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07-22-2006, 08:50 PM
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What's the case? Your case link above links to the drive?
1) compare the writing on the wires/connector from the case to the wiring on the mobo (it'll be written on the board or look in the manual). That should help you get the orientation right. 2) Not with a questionable quality PSU - overclocking requires premium everything (the mobo and RAM are good). Besides, a 3% overclock would be pointless. For example, I could go into BIOS and increase the FSB (front side bus) speed...this would dictate the CPU speed and RAM speed...increasing FSB would in turn increase CPU speed and RAM. I'm not too familiar with AMD and Hypertransport, I'm more familiar with Intel overclocking...at any rate, there's a lot of variables and risks to it, so it's not something I recommend getting into until you've read up on it and are sure what you are doing. Not only that, overclocking runs a risk of frying your hardware and it voids the warranties... 3) Click on the "User CP" at the top and go into "Edit Signature" 4) Not sure what you mean...the CD tray won't come out all the way? Last edited by blue60007; 07-22-2006 at 08:53 PM. |
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07-23-2006, 05:37 PM
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In the thread...http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=132409. It says you need to short the mobo. How do you do that? Where do you stick the screwdriver into? Can someone please make this clearer so I can try this out of the box building technique. Thanx.
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07-23-2006, 05:53 PM
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Look in your motherboard manual for which two pins connect to the power switch. Then simply touch a screwdriver to the two pins and the board should boot up.
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07-23-2006, 08:17 PM
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It's probably also printed on the board, something like PWR_SW.
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07-23-2006, 10:45 PM
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Ahh..now I know what your talking about. My order stastus for the ram is at step 3 meaning that I will either get the ram tommorow or the day after..I wish newegg ships during the weekends...
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07-23-2006, 11:11 PM
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Since I managed to come accross every (stupid) problem in the book when building my computer (including a CPU not being compatible with my mobo, despite the two being bundled together and everything looking like they should be compatible) I'll give you some advice if it doesn't POST. the thing is that getting a computer to the point of POSTing only requries a mobo and PS (although the POST will fail on everything). First make sure the system is getting power (is green LED on mobo lighted up), if not, make sure the power connectors to the mobo are plugged in tightly, and the powersupply is plugged in and turned on. Next I'd make sure the chasis shorting thing mentioned above isn't happening (to test this you can try building your computer in a cardboard box). Otherwise, it could be a faulty mobo, or much more likely PS. If the green light is on, but hitting the power button on the case or hitting the pins with a screwdriver does nothing, check that all plugs are snug, again make sure the mobo isn't faulting (the thing mentioned above), make sure you're hitting the right pins, otherwise its probably a faulty PS (or less likely mobo) If it does turn on (fans start, etc.) and still doesn't POST, make sure that the cable between the motherboard and PS is tight. This should never happen, but it did on mine. Somehow the mobo got the signal from the PS to start the computer but never decided to POST. Also make sure your PC speaker is plugged into the mobo or a pair of speakers plugged inot the mobos audio out (green) port (depending on how your mobo sends post messages, read the mobo manual to figure this out). Hopefully it decides to POST and if there are further errors it will let you know. An error I got at this ponit was not plugging things in tightly enough (memory, graphics card, etc.). Other than the CPU, most things require some force to go in (which requires mental strength since you're afraid of breaking it). If you get to the point of entering the BIOS, then consider this your first victory in building your own computer. THen on to the fun world of getting the software working, which caused me more unexpected problems.... Last edited by GraemeM; 07-23-2006 at 11:16 PM. |
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07-24-2006, 06:11 PM
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Update:
Ram from newegg is at step 5. It is either coming today or tommorow. Still waiting.... 
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07-25-2006, 07:32 PM
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ALL right!!! My new rig POSTed!!! Ok. So now al i have to do is enter BIOS, configure some stuff, and download the OS right?
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07-25-2006, 09:07 PM
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I tested the out of the case building method and it POSted. Now, when I put everything back in the box and try it out the monitor doesn't show anything. The fans and LED lights work fine. Can anybody please help me?
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07-26-2006, 12:50 AM
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Check under the motherboard to see that there aren't any extra standoffs.
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07-26-2006, 10:44 AM
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nope...I took out the mobo and tried it out of the case but now it won't even POST out of the box.
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07-26-2006, 11:17 AM
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Maybe the motherboard is dead. Try swapping it out to find out.
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07-26-2006, 11:48 AM
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Methinks ram shorted. Happened to me once. Were your properly grounded before messing around with components. Did you forget extra psu connectors?
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