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Help me build a new PC
Hey everyone, well it's been over a year now with my first PC build (see Sig). It's getting out of date, seeing it is a APG Video Card and Motherboard. For this winter I would like to get a new rig going, I would also like this rig to last through college as well (heading out to Los Angeles!). I will mostly be playing BF2 with this rig, as well as other games, basic interenet use, and no video editing, or programs of that sort.
The thing is, I'am out of the loop on all of the new technology that has come out over the year. Last time I was into it, the 7800GTX was the best card on the market, to my understanding there is a 7900GTX out there now? I also know their is a new type of socket (AM2) is it any good? I figure it's the latest stuff. Should I stick to 939 or should I try the new AM2. I was thinking of this...tell me what I should add/take away. I have Raptors in my current computer, I really like the drives, when I first bought them they were LOUD, but as the time passed they don't make any noise. Here is what I was thinking as far as my new rig goes, please tell me what you think I should add or take away! This is with the new AM2 Socket, I don't really want to go SLI anyways so it may be fine for me. What are the main advantages of AM2? I notice 8GB or RAM it can hold...WOW! Is this a good CPU for AM2? Good MOBO? Motherboard: ASUS CROSSHAIR Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131593 CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Windsor 2000MHz HT Socket AM2 Dual Core http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103739 RAM: CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 433 (PC 3500) Dual Channel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145594 VGA: eVGA 01G-P2-N592-AX Geforce 7950GX2 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Dual GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130023 HDD(s): I have 2 Western Digital 74GB Raptors in my current PC I plan on using for RAID 0. SOUND: I have a Audigly 2 ZS 9000 Platinum I plan on using PSU: Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103931 CASE: Lian Li PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112099 DRIVES: Sony 16X DVD+R Burner (Black) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827131031 Looks like that just about covers it, and under $2,000 so it's all good. Just want to make sure all of this is a good system, and will it last long time, as I mean for technology, should I be set for awhile, I know my APG system is out-of-date, that's reason why I'm upgrading. I would just get a different video card, but then I need a new MOBO, etc...so I figure just go all out! I have the monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc...so does this look like a really kickass system. Is the Raptor X just a bigger version of my HDD's I have now? Should I just replace my HDD's or is it safe to re-use my Sound card and HDD's? Seeing those are the only 2 things I will be keeping. That it? It seems like I'm missing something, but I just don't know...what are you're thoughts? Can my OEM Windows I used on this Built PC work in my new one too?
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08-13-2006, 04:27 AM
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You are likely to need a Floppy Drive to load the raid drivers.
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08-13-2006, 04:30 AM
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08-13-2006, 05:05 AM
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i think the antec PSU has 24 pins, just double check on that.
everything looks great. I love the sleek case. The mobo is just fine for what you need. In fact, you may try to go cheaper b/c there are cheaper boards that do pretty much what that board can do for you. With regards to the AM2 socket, I have read a lot about it being a trouble for a lot of people. It should work absolutely fine if you double and triple check that all of your parts will play nicely. thumbs up from me (an 18 year old aspiring computer builder/repairman who knows his fair share of computer parts)... and yes, it is a kickass system. 
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08-13-2006, 05:42 AM
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Currently the main advantage of AM2 is the DDR2 ram.
Second would be future upgradibility. The available processors are basically the same as the 939 equivalents with no real performance difference. That Antec should be ok for a single 7050GX2, but won't be able to handle 2 of them. If you want to add one later, you might want to start off with a PSU from the dual 7950GX2 section of the certified list. As far as the Windows, as long as you aren't going to use it on the old machine anymore, you should be able to reuse it. I don't think that Sony burner comes with software, look at this liteon instead comes with PowerDVD, Nero, and lightscribe for a dollar and some cents more. The Raptor X is just a 150Gb raptor that they put a window in so that they could jack the price up. OEM 150Gb raptor $200 at newegg today and the OEM raptor X is $319.
Pretty ridiculous, but the make my computer look like a martian spaceship crowd will buy it . Last edited by jayb1234; 08-13-2006 at 06:09 AM. |
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08-13-2006, 06:10 AM
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If I do though, besides a better PSU and same card, would I need anything else to go SLI?Yeah, I know the future is going to not going to go back to the past with older sockets, so I figure just go with the new stuff now. Is my RAM good for my MOBO, and I notice it says SLI ready, also the MOBO does, and VGA...so all I would need is another card, no different CPU or anything? Good thing I can reuse my old windows, thanks! Oh, and I guess I will just go ahead and get the better PSU now, JUST IN CASE I pick up another card. |
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08-13-2006, 06:37 AM
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The motherboard manual has a list in section 2 of supported RAM.
I see a couple 1Gb Corsairs on there, but not the one you linked. Also just noticed that the auxillary power connnector on the motherboard is 8 pin not 4 pin, so keep that in mind when looking at power supplies.
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08-13-2006, 03:22 PM
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08-13-2006, 03:44 PM
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The motherboard needs a PSU with the 24-pin main connector and the EPS12V connector.
Here are some suggestions: Antec TruePower 2.0 TP2-550 EPS12V ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103932 OCZ ModStream OCZ52012U ATX, BTX, SATA, P4 and EPS12V 620W Power Supply 95~132Vac / 190~264Vac TUV, UL, CSA, CE, CB, FCC - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104155 OCZ PowerStream OCZ520ADJSLI ATX, BTX, EPS12V 520W Power Supply 100~120Vac / 200~240Vac 10/6a - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817711002 |
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08-13-2006, 04:02 PM
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Also another good choice would be the new Antec Truepower III series. If you have the extra money I would HIGHLY suggest you pick the truepower III series over the II. Antec is now moving away from its current manufacturer, Channel well technology, to Seasonic oem. Which is very very good news. Because, dont get me wrong, true power II is a great choice, one of the only psu's under 100 bucks that will actually supply its 550W. Excellent rail regulation too. Only thing is, antec just sticks a low noise quiet fan over a psu that needs way more. That and the very sparse use of heatsinks, and use of low quality capacitors, might inevitably make this psu fry its capacitors.
Seasonic is the leader with quiet psu's. Higher efficiency, higher quality of parts, better capacitor choices make this psu have no need for more then a little fannage for it to be perfectly stable. The first antec to use seasonic was the Antec Neo He series, which btw are excellent as well. So basically the antec truepower III equals, Better build quality, Quiet with higher efficiency, and much less likely to barbecue its own capacitors in a year or two. Srry if that got a little offtopic. And I cannot say if it will be EPS compatible (the 8pin thing that you need) as I cannot find it being mentioned anywhere on antecs site nor newegg. But by looking at the picture I do *think* I see a 8pin eps connector, but please please do not take my word on that. Heres the link: Antec Truepower III 650W-120 after rebate Antec Truepower III 550W- 129.99 Antec truepower2 would be a perfect choice if you want to stay under 100 (and dont need the eps, which you do), no competiton, but if your looking at 100 plus I would suggest that one. If you want my personal choice, I would pick the OCZ Powerstream 520w, I personally own it. Stable as heck. But I suggest you do not mess around with those little rail adjustment (pots) located at the rear of the psu, its fine as it is. Youll know what I mean if you do decide to buy it.
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08-13-2006, 04:12 PM
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08-13-2006, 04:16 PM
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You mean 2 7950gx2's in quad sli?
 . For a psu that will power those beasts you will need something much more expensive and much more beefier. If your still interested I can suggest a few, and also look at the list jayb posted for quad sli. Also remember your motherboard needs a eps 12v connection. If you look a the newegg link, and go to the 3rd pic from the right you can see a 8pin and 4pin connector, however I cannot verify it is eps, I cant find it anywhere on antec's site, Please wait for a second confirmation before choosing that psu. Quote:
https://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...HAIR&src=Deal# take a look at the piccies. Last edited by Mr.Ferrari; 08-13-2006 at 04:20 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 04:25 PM
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The Antec Truepower III 650W PSU DOES have the 8-pin EPS12V connector.
It says so on page two of the manual: http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/TRIO_manual_en.pdf |
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08-13-2006, 04:26 PM
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Thanks minsonngo, I can search the whole site but never think of the manual.
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08-13-2006, 04:38 PM
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The ram you listed is DDR, not DDR2. You need DDR2-800 for proper performance with AM2.
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No problem Mr. Ferrari.
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08-13-2006, 04:46 PM
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Thanks EVERYONE. I need confirmation on all of this then.
This Power Supply will WORK with my Motherboard, and will it be able to handle the one VGA just fine? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371001 Changed the RAM, thanks glc, This RAM will work with my MOBO, and be good with AM2, correct? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145589 Can anyone link me to a PSU that will work with my MOBO and be good for 2 of my cards if I want to run SLI with it? Last edited by barch 88; 08-13-2006 at 04:48 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 04:48 PM
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Good choice on the PSU.
The memory looks good too.
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08-13-2006, 05:10 PM
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I wouldnt be suprised if that antec 650 didnt have too much trouble with quad sli. But I really cant suggest too much farther then what the certified list can offer. Theres just not enough info. I will say this, A single GX2 consumes as much if not a little more then a Ati X1900XTX.
Dont quote me on this, but it will be a little more then running 2 x1900xtx's in crossfire. Some I suggest: FSP Epsilon 700W $155 OCZ 700W $139 (OEM is FSP's 700W unit that I posted above, EXACT same powersupply, just cheaper) Silverstone Zeus 750W $209 Thermaltake Toughpower 750W $179 ( thermaltake has really changed with this new line 650w and up.) Enermax Galaxy 1000W(1kw) $359 <--I would choose this over a pc power and cooling 1000W psu due to its lower price but equivalent quality Emacs/Zippy 850W $321 Also a 750w version available. Very nice. Nobody can beat the godly single 12v rail that these psu's offer. Beware it can get loud. Pc power and cooling silencer 750W $200! Lotta bang for the buck here, and quiet. Built by seasonic. Last edited by Mr.Ferrari; 08-13-2006 at 05:24 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 05:11 PM
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What is a PSU that will work with two of my cards? I just might go SLI and get it over with, price is no option in this build for me (lets keep it reasonable though). EDIT, posted at same time as you man...THANKS I never heard of those brands being good PSU's...are they good, and which one is the BEST I can get that will put up with dual 7950GX2?
Also, I was thinking if I go with these cards, it may be a bit cramped in a Mid-Tower with my sound card also, should I get something like this case: I like Lian Li's nice and clean design. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112076 Last edited by barch 88; 08-13-2006 at 05:15 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 05:13 PM
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Any of the ones I posted would work with quad sli.
Good case choice, If you want big take a look at their pc767, it is HUGE. Last edited by Mr.Ferrari; 08-13-2006 at 05:24 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 05:18 PM
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Yeah, I posted at same time and didn't see you posted those man. Will this PSU work with my MOBO?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817194008 |
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08-13-2006, 05:21 PM
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There is not a modern mobo that it wouldnt work with it. It has all the standards. Its also modular, if thats something you like.
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1 x Main connector (24-pin)
1 x 12V (8-pin) 1 x 12V (4+4pin) 1 x 12V (2x2) 6 x 4P Molex 2 x 4P Molex + FDD 6 x SATA up to 4 x PCI-E It has all btx and atx standards, atleast as far as far as I know. Last edited by Mr.Ferrari; 08-13-2006 at 05:38 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 05:31 PM
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I think that Enermax is a little overkill.
The OCZ, FSP or PC Power & Cooling is more than enough. |
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08-13-2006, 06:06 PM
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Just fyi Silverstone zeus 750w is for 173 @ directron, just thought youd like to know. It would handle quad sli with ease. That is if you dont want to spend all that money for the enermax.
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Alright guy's, this is how my build looks now (updated). MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Windsor 2000MHz HT Socket AM2 Dual Core RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 VGA: (2) eVGA 01G-P2-N592-AX Geforce 7950GX2 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Dual GPU HDD(s): I have 2 Western Digital 74GB Raptors in my current PC I plan on using for RAID 0. SOUND: I have a Audigly 2 ZS 9000 Platinum I plan on using PSU: ENERMAX GALAXY EGA1000EWL ATX/BTX 1000W Power Supply 100 - 240V CASE: Lian Li V SERIES PC-V2100B Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower DRIVES: Sony 16X DVD+R Burner (Black) Last edited by barch 88; 08-13-2006 at 06:30 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 06:32 PM
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Dang that is one heck of a powerhouse dude. Have fun with it. Im not a expert on quad sli, but ive been hearing driver support isnt that good yet, its very very new. So good luck.
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What type of monitor do you have? I just read an article that says dual 7950GX2's is useless for anything but uber-extreme resolutions. There is enough driver overhead that dual 7950GX2's is actually *slower* on lower resolution (1024x, 1280x, etc) than a single card. (not that the slower performance is bad or anything
 )I don't want to throw another stick in the gears, but just something to consider. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/..._diy_quad-sli/ It might get better with more mature drivers, so...
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