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08-13-2006, 04:50 AM
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New build, needs to be critiqued
I have compiled a list and need it to be combed over with a fine tooth comb.
I didn't get much time to pick out the GPU b/c a friend was rushing me, but I do not really want to pay over $130 for it. I also plan on doing SLI sometime. This will be a gaming pc. I ask that you please take the time to check compatibility. I have done what I can thus far. Constructive criticism is more than welcome. Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146028 NZXT Apollo SILVER NP Silver Secc Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $69.99 __________________________________________________________________ PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182040 Rosewill RD600-2DB-SL 600W Active PFC Power Supply SLI Ready ATX Form Factor 12V V2.2 / SSI standard EPS 12V, 90-264V CSA,UL,TUV - Retail $77.99 __________________________________________________________________ Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131013 ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard$139.99 __________________________________________________________________ CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103547 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor $181.00 __________________________________________________________________ HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152025 SAMSUNG SpinPoint P Series SP2504C 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $69.99 __________________________________________________________________ RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145566 CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail $94.00 __________________________________________________________________ GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127210 MSI NX7600GS-T2D256E Geforce 7600GS 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail $118.99 __________________________________________________________________ Pri Optical: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827131031 SONY Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner - OEM $29.59 __________________________________________________________________ Sec Optical: already have __________________________________________________________________ Sound Card: use onboard+ speakers __________________________________________________________________ FDD: already have __________________________________________________________________ Keyboard: already have __________________________________________________________________ Mouse: already have __________________________________________________________________ Modem: already have - broadband upgrade in future __________________________________________________________________ Lan: __________________________________________________________________ Monitor: already have __________________________________________________________________ Speakers: already have __________________________________________________________________ OS: already have __________________________________________________________________ Extras: Cathode blue light? Maybe. $7.99 __________________________________________________________________ Sub Total $_____782___________ I am paranoid about a few things. 1. PSU ability to power an SLi setup in the future and the PSU quality itself. 2. ram compatibility with mobo/ processor 3. Are any of my parts bottle-necking other parts? 4. Better GPU for price, or one as good that is lower priced? 5. What precautions should I take with cooling? ( I already have an extra 120mm fan for the front of the case) last but not least... Is this system worth my money for a gaming PC? 
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08-13-2006, 05:10 AM
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That rosewill PSU is very poor quality and is not SLI certified.
Get the Antec TP-II 550W, much better quality, SLI certified, will handle 2 7600 vid cards with no problem and only 2 bucks more. The Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM would be a much better choice, better reputation, twice the cache at the same price. Switch that sony burner to this Liteon, it comes with burning software and Lightscribe. Your processor and motherboard are physically incompatible, you need an AM2 processor, not a 939.
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08-13-2006, 11:54 AM
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Adding onto jayb, unless you purchase the Socket AM2 processor with the Socket AM2 motherboard, you will need a PC3200 DDR400 speed memory. DDR2-533 is a 240-pin stick memory while DDR400 come in 184-pins. In addition, socket 939 does not require high quality memory like socket AM2 - ValueSelect RAM will work fine.
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08-13-2006, 12:48 PM
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Your motherboard is Socket AM2 whereas your processor is Socket 939. They will not fit together. You either need to go with socket AM2 for both or Socket 939 for both.
Not sure about Samsung HDDs, but Seagate and Western Digital are always good choices. The Rosewill PSU is not good as others already have said. Pick a manufactorer from this list: http://www.forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=131195 ***And make sure the PSU is ATX 2.x with the 24-pin main connector. |
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08-13-2006, 04:26 PM
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Looks pretty good, but compatibility is KEY.
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08-13-2006, 04:41 PM
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Samsung drives are not noted for reliability. Neither are Rosewill power supplies.
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08-13-2006, 06:42 PM
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I will look into an 939 board then.
could you guys perhaps give me links to ones that are similar to the AM2 board i chose? thanks, i am going to look to. |
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08-13-2006, 06:45 PM
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An ASUS A8N5X, single video card, or A8N-SLI for SLI capabilities.
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08-13-2006, 06:46 PM
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Wait, so you want 939 instead of am2? Because you picked am2 ram and mobo, if so then make sure you pick some ddr 400. Corsair or ocz would be both good choices here.
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08-13-2006, 07:21 PM
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ok, lemme clarify. I have now gone back and chosen AM2 mobo and CPU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128321 Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $94.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103747 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor – Retail $180.00 will those play nicely together and with my ram that I have selected? (I am going back to look at the products Jayb recommended) |
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08-13-2006, 07:23 PM
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If possible it would be very worthwhile to spend the extra few bucks for the asus mobo. Especially because the asus is the new nforce 570 and the gigabyte is nforce4.
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08-13-2006, 07:29 PM
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i really don't know the difference, could you clarify?
does that relate to the chipset or something? I need to know what is better and how to determine better parts in the future. Last edited by DarkPacMan77; 08-13-2006 at 07:36 PM. |
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08-13-2006, 07:46 PM
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I've used at least 50 Rosewills ranging from 300 watt - 550 watt and have yet to have any problems with any.
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08-13-2006, 07:48 PM
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I will be gone for a while, maybe an hour or two, maybe more. I have two questions
1. with the mobo, out of nforce 570 and nforce4... why is the 570 better? What are the differences. 2. Roswill PSU... reliable or not... what would YOU buy? thx guys, i will return later |
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08-13-2006, 07:48 PM
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Chuck-The fact that they actually work or not is secondary, chooseing a bad psu means your risking the intregrity and life of your components, supplying dirty power to the vital's of your pc. One thing that you should never skimp is the thing that makes your computer run. Pacman I suggest you save yourself some grief and go with one of the psu's that were suggested above. |
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08-13-2006, 09:05 PM
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I know people who build with L&C power supplies and allegedly haven't had any problems either. I personally wouldn't trust a electric light bulb to one of those. Rosewills are built by a low end manufacturer, that's why we don't recommend them.
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08-14-2006, 01:22 AM
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ok. No Roswill PSU... im done thinking that way.
I will go with something Antec... 550W or 600W or something since this build has saved me around 800 as it is from the other build I was considering. For SLi... what kind of power am I looking to need. I heard someone say 500W if it is a very trusted brand. I was going to shoot 550W just in case. Do I need 600W for any reason? What kind of things can the better chipset do for me that the other board can't? |
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08-14-2006, 01:29 AM
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Here is a good read about SLI: http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_howtobuild_2.html
Just make sure you get a SLI certified PSU from this list: http://www.slizone.com/object/slizon..._powersupplies |
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08-14-2006, 01:41 AM
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thanks a lot minsonngo... you are very helpful and generous, much like glc and blue.
I need details about the different chipsets between the two boards that are above... are you the one to ask? I really need to know... 
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08-14-2006, 01:54 AM
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The NForce 500 series is the sucessor to the NForce4 series. Meaning it is newer and has better features compared to the previous series.
Here is a good read about the two if your interested: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2764 |
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08-14-2006, 02:29 AM
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everything seems just fine with nforce4, I am only using a max of 4 SATA drives anyways... and most likely never even that...
am I missing out on more? |
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08-14-2006, 08:28 AM
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Either chipset is fine. Your going to be happy with whatever you choose.
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08-14-2006, 09:52 PM
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thanks a lot. This has turned almost into a budget build and anywhere I can shave off $40 is a lifesaver. I think my max will be around $1000 but I sure am liking this $800 build right now.
If you have any further suggestions, please, feel free to mention them. 
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08-14-2006, 09:58 PM
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So lets see your final build list now if you don't mind.
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08-14-2006, 10:20 PM
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Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146028 NZXT Apollo SILVER NP Silver Secc Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $69.99
__________________________________________________________________ PSU: just recently undecided, will post one in a few __________________________________________________________________ Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128321 Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $94.99 __________________________________________________________________ CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103747 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor – Retail $180.00 __________________________________________________________________ HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144701 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $79.99 __________________________________________________________________ RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145566 CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail $94.00 __________________________________________________________________ GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102688 SAPPHIRE 100106L Radeon X850XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail $119.99 __________________________________________________________________ Pri Optical: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106019 LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATAPI/E-IDE DVD Burner W/ LightScribe - OEM $30.99 __________________________________________________________________ Sec Optical: already have __________________________________________________________________ Sound Card: use onboard+ speakers __________________________________________________________________ FDD: already have __________________________________________________________________ Keyboard: already have __________________________________________________________________ Mouse: already have __________________________________________________________________ Modem: already have - broadband upgrade in future __________________________________________________________________ Lan: __________________________________________________________________ Monitor: already have __________________________________________________________________ Speakers: already have __________________________________________________________________ OS: Microsoft WindowsXP professional free __________________________________________________________________ Extras: Cathode blue light? Maybe. $7.99 __________________________________________________________________ I believe this is the final setup w/ exception of PSU and possibly RAM would it be wiser to get 2x 512mb ram or 1x 1gb ram? the latter would eventually give me more RAM... |
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08-14-2006, 10:21 PM
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also, can you confirm that the ram, mobo, and cpu will be 100% compatible with no bottle-necking?
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08-14-2006, 10:24 PM
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Looks like your set to go.
It would be better to go two identical sticks of ram so you can take advantage of the Dual Channel DDR2 feature which will provide a little performance boost. |
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08-14-2006, 10:26 PM
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yea, ... i guess I don't know how the dual channel system works. Just, I would like to get 2x 512, and don't know if I would be a sucker or not b/c of not getting 1x 1gb.
How much of a "boost" and what kind of "boost" would this be if I decided to get dual channel over just a standard 1gb stick? |
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08-14-2006, 10:29 PM
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Dual-channel architecture DDR SDRAM describes a motherboard technology that effectively doubles data throughput from RAM to the memory controller. Dual Channel-enabled memory controllers utilize two 64-bit data channels, resulting in a total bandwidth of 128 bits, to move data from RAM to the CPU.
In order to achieve this, the DDR SDRAM memory modules must be installed into matching memory slots, which are usually color coded on the motherboard. Each memory module in each slot should be identical to the one in its matching slot. It's also possible to use similar memory sticks from different manufacturers or different production series as long they are of the same size, specification, the same number of memory chips and internal organization. However, several motherboard manufacturers only support configurations where a "matched pair" of modules are used. For this reason, most memory manufacturers now sell "kits" of matched pair DIMMs. Dual channel technology was created to address the issue of bottlenecks. Increased processor speed and performance requires other, less prominent components to keep pace. The most conspicuous of these parts is the memory controller, which regulates data flow between CPU and the system memory (RAM). The memory controller determines the types and speeds of RAM as well as the maximum size of each individual memory module and the overall memory capacity of the system. There are many memory controller designs; prior to 2003, the most common was the single channel configuration. Among its advantages are its low cost and flexibility. Its ability to produce a bottleneck effect arises when it is unable to keep up with the processor, leaving it with nothing to process while the memory controller is struggling to keep up with the data flow. Under the single channel architecture, any CPU with a bus speed that is greater than the memory speed would be liable to fall prey to this bottle-neck effect. The dual channel configuration alleviates the problem by doubling the amount of available memory bandwidth. Instead of a single memory channel, a second parallel channel is added. With two channels working simultaneously, the bottleneck is reduced. Rather than wait for memory technology to improve, dual channel architecture simply takes the existing RAM technology and improves the method in which it is handled. While the actual implementation differs between Intel and AMD motherboards, the basic theory stands. |
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08-14-2006, 10:38 PM
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ur copy and paste is amazing, but very helpful =)
would it be good to get 2x 512 ram NOW... and get 2x 1gb LATER... and have both operating in my system. Would I need to change the slots they are in from most powerful to not? ((thanks a ton for that bit of reading, It helped immensly)) |
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