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Old 08-19-2006, 03:19 AM   #1
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Another New PC Build for Gaming/General

Hey Guys,
Heres another 'new pc build' thread for you to critique on. I am basically planning on building a new pc. Not specifically for hardcore gaming as I just purchased a massive pc (over $9000) for that purpose. I am more building this pc:

1) To learn about building pcs
2) Cause I feel depressed that I didn't wait for the new Conroe cpus that surpass my current top cpu.
3) So I have a pc I can constantly update myself, so I'll always have a pc that is generally top of the line.

My budget is exactly $3000 no more (unless for a really really good reason). I'll be using the pc for gaming, video editing, image editing, 3d modelling, word processing
and general things. I'll also, most likely be adding/replacing parts, overclocking the system and modifying it heaps (with blue leds etc.).

I definately want this system to have a high capacity to be upgraded so basically I want the motherboard to last as long as possilbe (thats why I am willing to spend a lot on that). Further I want it to contain two video cards in SLI or Crossfire (or have the video card ready to be run in dual-video card mode) and I want the cpu to be one of the new Intel Core 2 Duo processors. Lastly I want the case to have a side window.

I'll be reusing my keyboard, monitors, speakers and mouse from my other pcs.

This is the current build I've been working on:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 [may upgrade to E6600 if price is still under $3000]
- $309

MOBO: [Not sure]
- ~$400

GPU: 2 x XFX Geforce 7900GTs in SLI [Might consider waiting for the X1950XTX from ATi. If so, I'll get one of those and use that with an older card for Crossfire]
- $1058

Sound Card: [Not sure]
- ~$300

RAM: [Not sure]
- $300

PSU: Thermaltake Tough Power 600W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153033
- $179

Case: Thermaltake Soprano VB1430BWS Black Chassis
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133156
- $139

HDD: SATAII 160mb [is currently inactive in my old pc, for some reason it isn't working there... it only gets reconised in DOS]
- $0

Optical Drives: [Not sure, only want 1.. but can add another one, later if needed]
- ~$200

Total: $2885 [if the price stays around here, I might consider upgrading to the E6600]

Note: Prices are from my local distributor, who I'll be buying the parts from.

With the case, I do realise that it comes with a PSU, but the store I plan to buy the parts from doesn't sell the version without a PSU and I like the side window of this case and I can't seem to find any other case that looks this nice. Can you get the retailers to pull out the PSU for you then sell the case seperate?

I probably won't buy anything until I hear more about the newer motherboards that support crossfire with the X1950XTX and Intel Core 2 Duo processors.

I would love to hear some advice on this build. Also, how much RAM would you recommend? What type of RAM? Is $300 enough?

Lastly, if a PSU is Nvidia SLI certified, is it also ATi Crossfire certified?

Many thanks,

Maqqie

EDIT: I forgot to add, I want a motherboard with the maximum number of PCI-Express/PCI slots possible, because I will most likely be purchasing as TV Tuner and PPU soon to add in. Also if I decide to use the pc for storage I might add a HBA for additional HDDs.

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Old 08-19-2006, 09:33 AM   #2
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Why are you spending so much on that proc? It costs in the low 200s from www.zipzoomfly.com and www.tankguys.com

Mobo: Well if you want to go sli you'll have to wait a bit until the nforce 590's come out. But if not, best choices would be the Intel badaxe rev.304 or 305, or Asus P5WDH.


I seriously think your better off with a single gx2. Trust me thats all the power youll need unless you get into the 2048x1900 res's, with everything turned up on high.

Sound card: I suggest the X-FI xtreme music around 100 bucks

Ram: Can never go wrong with some of this stuff: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145590

PSU: Good choice on the psu. All toughpowers 600w and up are great.
And yes it will run sli. Actually crossfire is 2x harder to run then sli, as far as power goes.
But I see you listed 179 here, did you mean to link the 750W version?


Optical: You dont need 200, 100 will get you the top of the line plextor sata dvdrw. 30 will get you a great liteon ide dvdrw.
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Old 08-19-2006, 10:40 AM   #3
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HNot specifically for hardcore gaming as I just purchased a massive pc (over $9000) for that purpose.
Wow...I'd sure love to see the specs of a $9000 gaming rig.

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Old 08-19-2006, 11:05 AM   #4
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Wish I had that much to spend on a PC...
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Old 08-19-2006, 06:10 PM   #5
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Why are you spending so much on that proc? It costs in the low 200s from www.zipzoomfly.com and www.tankguys.com
All the prices I gave are based on Australian dollars and are from my local hardware retailer (who is actually the cheapest in my area). $309 is their listed price for a E6300.

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Mobo: Well if you want to go sli you'll have to wait a bit until the nforce 590's come out. But if not, best choices would be the Intel badaxe rev.304 or 305, or Asus P5WDH.
I might not go with SLI, but I definately want to go with dual video cards (even if its dual GX2s or something like that, but I'd prefer dual X1950GTXs as you suggested in another thread).

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PSU: Good choice on the psu. All toughpowers 600w and up are great.
And yes it will run sli. Actually crossfire is 2x harder to run then sli, as far as power goes.
But I see you listed 179 here, did you mean to link the 750W version?
No, $179 is how much the 600w version costs here. If I wanted to go with Crossfire (which most likely I will) then how much power would I need?

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Optical: You dont need 200, 100 will get you the top of the line plextor sata dvdrw. 30 will get you a great liteon ide dvdrw.
Top of the range DVD-RWs are roughly $115 - $150 here. One or two cost ~$200, so to be save I left $200.

Thanks for the replies guys,

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Old 08-19-2006, 06:12 PM   #6
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Ah, sorry my bad didnt realise it was in AUD.

For crossfire, you mean X1950XTX crossfire or X1900XT crossfire, because the power requirements are higher for the 50.

Oh and the new series should be coming out early to mid september.

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You can probably get a LITE-ON or NEC burner (not sure what's available in your area) for less than $100 AUD - not sure of the conversion rate, but I would guess $50 or so.
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:23 PM   #8
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$1.00 Aud = $.76 Usd
$1.00 Usd = $1.31 Aud
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:33 PM   #9
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Ah, sorry my bad didnt realise it was in AUD.

For crossfire, you mean X1950XTX crossfire or X1900XT crossfire, because the power requirements are higher for the 50.

Oh and the new series should be coming out early to mid september.
How much wattage would I need for a pair of X1950XTXs in crossfire?... more than 600w?
Are they ATi's Direct X 10 compatible cards?

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You can probably get a LITE-ON or NEC burner (not sure what's available in your area) for less than $100 AUD - not sure of the conversion rate, but I would guess $50 or so.
I could get a DVD-RW for around $100 of less but I'd be afraid it would bottleneck my games. Is there any recommended speed or a minimum speed that won't bottleneck my proposed system?

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here is a nice core 2 duo buying guide that u might be interested in http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=1
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here is a nice core 2 duo buying guide that u might be interested in http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=1
Cool, thnx dogdude. I'll have a look at it.

Also, Mr.Ferrari, with that RAM you recommended, I was looking at the stock my retail store has and they sell these two:
- 2GB D2 6400 Corsair Twinx [$359]
- 2GB D2 6400 C4 Corsair Twinx [$449]

I wasn't sure which one you were recommending.
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The first one will be fine...the second has tighter timings, but it won't give you much performance increase...it's not worth the extra $100
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Go with the one for 359. Lower cas doesnt help with core 2 duo.

And on the psu, does your store have like a website or something? I can help choose what would be best for bang/buck. 1950XTX shouldnt take a whole lot more power then 1900xtx.
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Here is the Crossfire certified power supply list.
The 1900's are DX9.
I don't think the DX10 cards will be released untill about the same time as Vista, which is the only OS that DX10 will be able to run on.
From ATI's site:
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DirectX 10 release alongside Vista • Currently planned for Q1 2007

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I could get a DVD-RW for around $100 of less but I'd be afraid it would bottleneck my games. Is there any recommended speed or a minimum speed that won't bottleneck my proposed system?

Cheers,

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A basic DVD-RW will work...they're probably all about the same speed. Besides, the speed of the drive doesn't have any effect on performance. Any modern game should be reading data from the hard drive.
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Not specifically for hardcore gaming as I just purchased a massive pc (over $9000) for that purpose.
Wow...I'd sure love to see the specs of a $9000 gaming rig.

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And on the psu, does your store have like a website or something? I can help choose what would be best for bang/buck. 1950XTX shouldnt take a whole lot more power then 1900xtx.
Here's the list of their stock: (note you require Adobe Reader to view this)

http://www.cpl.net.au/greenguide/129592207.pdf

It would be good if you could suggest a PSU.

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Me too. Spill it!
On another forum (an Aussie one mind you) I was insulted and critisized for asking a question about my system, which I had to write specs on . Perhaps they thought I was boasting... but after that, I am sort of scared to tell people of my specs lol.

Maqqie

P.S Updated parts list with RAM
EDIT: Can't seem to edit my first post...

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The edit function times out after a certain time. 12 hours (I think)
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The edit function times out after a certain time. 12 hours (I think)
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I would suggest the thermaltake toughpower 700W or 750W. 700W should be more then sufficient, you will be able to power both of those cards plus a little extra headroom. But you dont need more then 700W.

Oh and X1950XTX's should be coming out early to mid september . So its not too long of a wait if you are indeed interested in that.
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Old 08-20-2006, 04:54 PM   #22
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cool. I'll patiently for them . I'll ask anymore questions I have in this thread.
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