First Build problems please help

[opet98]

Hello to all of you master of pc building. i have a question. i just completed step by step on building my own PC. Follow the instruction clearly from here and the manual books. Heres what i have: MSI PM8PM-V MOBO with integrated sound and vga, Intel Pentium D 840 3.20 8000fsb, Power up blue case and the 400 watt power supply that comes with with it and i have a used hard 40 gb or 250gb hard drive that i used for external storage before.

All of the stuff was installed correctly(i think) from screw rubber washer to cables that plugs where it suppose to plug.

HERE IS THE PROBLEM: Plug in the PC and it powers ON sound normal beep once fans are running cd drives lights up.
on my screen came out pictures and writing saying the processor instaled( pentium d 3.20 2x16 or sumtin like that )
and memory counting 964xxx+64mb shared
and under this came out all my cd drives : master, slave and so on
and thennn .... a lil text saying : disk fail (40)
and it shuts off

these stuff i explain above happens very fast and i was able to turn it back on and same thing happen again. tryin to press "del" to go to bios while memory counting resulting the pc turns of even faster.

Please all of you master out there help me solve this problem, i spend more than i can afford to build this PC and dont want it to go to waste. i hope its a just simple problem.

[Dannyw]

Disk fail would suggest a problem with the hard drive. If you have another you can use, put that in the system and see how it goes.

[blue60007]

What brand PSU/case is that? It's probably a cheap junker.

It's possible it can't keep the drive(s) powered and causing that error (looks just like a dieing hard drive too).

Might try running diagnostics (from manufacturer's website) on the hard drive(s) in question from a working computer.

[opet98]

well the hard drive seems to be workin fine for external data storage, the 250 gb has never been put in any computer, i just put in an external case for data.

everything is brand new except for the hard drive

Case and PSU brand is Power up (maybe a generic brand)

Do u think if i buy a brand new hard drive will sove the problem?

[Cricket]

Start hitting the DEL key as soon as you power up the computer so you can get into the BIOS. If you're successful, change the boot order so that the CD-ROM or optical drive is the first boot device and then put your OS CD (WinXP?) into the optical drive and then Save and Exit the BIOS. The computer should reboot to the OS CD in the optical drive and the installation process should start.

I would connect only 1 hard drive and 1 optical drive for this part of the installation process and then connect whatever extra drives after the OS is installed.

Cricket

[opet98]

i tried hitting del, it woud just make the pc shuts off faster

[Cricket]

Follow the troubleshooting instructions found here and let us know what happens. You must remove the motherboard from the case when doing this...you're trying to eliminate the possibility that the motherboard is shorting out to the case somehow.

Cricket

[opet98]

same thing happened, now the pc dont shuts off but it makes clicking noise from the MB.

[Cricket]

I think you have a bad motherboard on your hands.

Cricket

[opet98]

come on man dont tell me that, is there another solution to this problem? motherboard is brand new just got it delivered yesterday.

[Alaron]

If the system refuses to start with the bare minimum components out of the case, you have a dead component on your hands. Only parts substition can lead you to the culprit. I would replace that power supply first, on general principal. PowerUps are poor quality.

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=131195

[opet98]

ok i will try that, but it doesnt refuse to start, it started and does the memory counting and recognize the CPU. then after that it rcognize my dvd drives then its shuts off. it says on the bottom "disk fail(40), bad sectors (somethin like that, it went to fast)

[Alaron]

Disconnect all of your drives and see if the build stays stable. If it does, connect them individually to narrow down the issue.

[opet98]

ok iwill try that tonight, now i gotta take care the naggin old lady... thank you for all ur effort, i will let you know what happen

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by opet98 ok i will try that, but it doesnt refuse to start, it started and does the memory counting and recognize the CPU. then after that it rcognize my dvd drives then its shuts off. it says on the bottom "disk fail(40), bad sectors (somethin like that, it went to fast)

I thought you did the out-of-case-troubleshooter? It specifically states to assemble only the bare minimum of parts (no drives) to see if the system can POST or not.

Cricket

[opet98]

Cricket: yes i did that it does the same thing. like the other forum said:

If all is well, it should power up and you should get a display. If not, then you most likely have a faulty component. Do this and and post your results, then we will get it all assembled in the case and get this thing running.

It does power up and gives me a display but it turn back off again

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by opet98 It does power up and gives me a display but it turn back off again

Then it's either a faulty power supply, the heatsink on the CPU isn't installed properly, faulty RAM, a faulty video card or the motherboard is bad.

I would start by getting a known-to-be-working compatible power supply and swap it in to test with. PowerUp power supplies are rubbish.

Cricket

[opet98]

i think my buddy found out the reason, i have a bad cpu... how long does a cpu burn if you dont put enough compound? coz he said i didnt put enough and it burned.

[opet98]

and another thing after he put more compund it doesnt shut off anymore and it stays at checksum error, and when i press del to go to bios then it turns off. does that sound right if a cpu problem?

[Cricket]

I'm not sure this a CPU problem. Intel CPU's have a thermal circuit that will slow them down to reduce heat or cause the computer to shutdown if the CPU is overheating. Are you sure the heatsink is installed properly? Are the pins pushed all the way through the motherboard and locking properly?

Cricket

[opet98]

yes the cpu was installed correctly, let me ask you this how much of a compund from that 2 inch tube u need ussually? coz i only use half of it and when my buddy open the heatsink again it barely touch the processor's top, and another thing... things get stabil after he put more compund i just cant go to the bios after ipress del. hey man i got to check with u later.. gtg to work make some of that money back to buy new cpu

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by opet98 yes the cpu was installed correctly,

I didn't ask if the CPU was installed correctly...I asked if the heatsink was installed correctly. Two completely different things.

Originally Posted by opet98 let me ask you this how much of a compund from that 2 inch tube u need ussually? coz i only use half of it

HALF?!? You only need a very small amount for the thermal compound to work. The main purpose of thermal compound is to fill in the microscopic imperfections of both surfaces. The two mating surfaces still have to make full contact with each other. I would have used a little more than a grain of rice sized dollup of thermal compound for a Pentium D 840.

Originally Posted by opet98 and when my buddy open the heatsink again it barely touch the processor's top,

Then something is definitely wrong...the heatsink must make full contact with the CPU heatspreader and there must be an appropriate amount of downward force holding the heatsink down on the CPU heatspreader. This is to ensure the heat from the CPU is transferred to the heatsink.

Originally Posted by opet98 gtg to work make some of that money back to buy new cpu

I still believe there is nothing wrong with the CPU. If the CPU were indeed dead, the computer wouldn't boot up at all.

My feeling is the heatsink isn't being installed properly. Here is a nice tutorial for you to look at.

Cricket

[opet98]

i have a screw on heatsink by mascool , it has the thing that goes under the mb and i screwed em al the way down. btw i got in to bios one time and set first boot with cd but the thing is after it restarted it wont boot from cd and when i tried to enter bios again it does the same thing (shuts off). so what do u think i should do now? should i call Tiger direct cust serv to find out if i have a defective item? or... please man help me out

[opet98]

YES I got into BIOS, now can anybody help me with instaling OS

[opet98]

yes i have succeeded building a new PC, windows instaled! thank you cricket for all your help. anyone have the same problem: EXCHANGE the MOBO tht did it for me.

My new PC:
Pentium D840 3.20 GHz Dual core
MSI PM8PM-V Mother Board
Kingston 1024 MB DDR2 (2x512)
NEC ND3550 DVD Burner
Emprex DVD ROM
Power UP Case with 400 watt PSU
Antec Case Fan
Mascool CPU Cooler
40 GB Seagate Hard drive


VGA card coming soon! (anyone wanna suggest any?)
additional/replacement Hard drive coming soon

Anything else i need?

[glc]

I'd recommend a quality power supply before putting a video card in it. Powerup power supplies are total garbage.

[opet98]

you are right! i just tried on xfx geforce 6200, computer keeps restarting. i think i will just use the mainboard graphic. i dont play pc games anyway. anyway one more time i would really need to thank you people to help me on this matter and hope my problem will help anybody out there that having the same problem