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10-14-2006, 05:13 PM
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I need your HELP
In choosing parts for another server which I need very soon. I have a T1 line being installed on Tuesday. This server will serve as an application server so it has to be powerful, even more powerful than my Core 2 Duo E6600 server. My question is, do I go with the Core 2 Duo line or should I try one of those sweet Socket AM2 Opterons? Don't worry about the budget, just keep it reasonable. T.I.A. for all your help!
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10-14-2006, 05:24 PM
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The core 2 duo being best performer still applys.
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10-14-2006, 09:14 PM
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C2D extreme mabye if you need that much power
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10-14-2006, 09:36 PM
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Is it possible to build one with dual C2Ds ?
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10-14-2006, 09:48 PM
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Now that would be awesome.
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10-14-2006, 09:59 PM
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Use a dual processor server motherboard with Xeons or Opterons. Don't mess with workstation parts, use real server parts.
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10-14-2006, 10:03 PM
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Conroe Xeons are okay?
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10-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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GLC, I really don't know how to do a build with server computer parts. For my needs, we've already come to the conclusion that the Core 2 Duo is perfect for server #1, and we'd like another one to do the same task. We ran software on it and it blew through it at amazing speeds.
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10-14-2006, 10:26 PM
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Alright, I may take your advice and go with the dual opteron deal. Here is what I was thinking about:
(2X) Opteron 265 Italy 1.8ghz Dual Core (2X) Western Digital Raptor 150gb in RAID1 (2X) 2x1gb Corsair XMS Kits Asus K8N-DL Server Motherboard Haha, quad core server with 4gb of memory. Will the apps. even use it all? Last edited by newbuilder14; 10-14-2006 at 10:30 PM. |
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10-14-2006, 10:59 PM
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Have you researched memory compatibility? Most server boards need ECC registered ram.
What OS are you going to use? It might help if you told us what this server is going to be used for - accessed by how many workstations, and how. Last edited by glc; 10-14-2006 at 11:03 PM. |
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10-14-2006, 11:03 PM
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What apps are you running? What kind of load (ie, how many connections, etc)?
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10-15-2006, 08:52 AM
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The motherboard stated it takes PC3200 DDR400 RAM, so I'm not quite sure. B
But anyway this server will be hooked up to the internet to serve as a software (probably several types) server to different people. Not sure how many people could be accessing it at once. Last edited by newbuilder14; 10-15-2006 at 08:57 AM. |
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10-15-2006, 10:10 AM
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Sorry to be such a pain, but can you be even MORE specific? Is this just to provide downloads, or what? Steaming audio? Streaming video? How are you going to be "serving" and what OS? FTP? HTTP?
I have a feeling you don't need a "server" - any old workstation would do. |
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10-15-2006, 11:14 AM
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That's why I was thinking about the Conroe. Well anyway to answer your questions, this won't provide downloads it will more allow people to run the software from their own computers. The OS will most likely be Linux Fedora Core 5.
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10-15-2006, 11:42 AM
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I have to ask - what KIND of software? Even with a T1, if you are actually *running* software I would think the bandwidth would be a LOT more limiting than the machine's capabilities.
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10-15-2006, 11:59 AM
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This software is essentially a database with information.
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10-15-2006, 02:22 PM
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Okay - so it's like running a website with a database? Anything can do that. No need for premium performance parts, go for reliability.
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10-15-2006, 07:38 PM
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Okay well it turns out we are indeed going to get the server quality products. The software is already slow itself, so we want something incredibly fast.
So may I have your thoughts and opinions as to which parts I should select? Dual Opterons, Xeons? 4gb of RAM should be perfect, along with 2 super fast disks in RAID 1. |
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10-16-2006, 02:09 AM
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Okay - I'm beginning to like this. This is what I would build. Tell me if the budget is unreasonable.
Case: CHENMING 901AD-SILVER-0 Silver 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811125469 PSU: Antec TruePower 2.0 TP2-550 EPS12V ATX12V 550W Power Supply - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103932 Motherboard: Intel S5000VSASATA Dual Socket 771 Intel 5000V SSI EEB 3.6 (Extended ATX) Server Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121043 Processors (2) - Intel Xeon Woodcrest (Active) - whatever you feel you can afford. 1.6 starts at $230 and they go up to 3.0 at $870 each. Memory (4) - CORSAIR 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) ECC Fully Buffered Server Memory Model CM72FB1024-667 - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145166 RAID controller: Adaptec 2170000-R PCI-X 64-bit/133 MHz SATA II Controller Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816103011 NOTE: Supported Operating Systems Windows 2000, SP4 (Professional, Advanced Server, Server, Enterprise) - 32bit only Windows XP, SP1 and SP2 (Home Edition and Professional) - 32bit and 64bit Windows Server 2003, OOB and SP1 (Web, Standard, Enterprise) - 32bit and 64bit Netware 6.5 FreeBSD 5.3 and 5.4 Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 - 32bit and 64bit Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 - 32bit and 64bit SuSE Enterprise Linux 8 - 32bit and 64bit SuSE Enterprise Linux 9 - 32bit and 64bit Hard drives: You need to think this one out. The reason I speced that RAID controller was for a true managed hardware RAID 5, which I highly recommend. If I were doing this, I'd use a single SATA on the motherboard controller just for the OS, and then 4 SATA's in RAID 5 plus one hotspare for the apps and data. This means 6 drives, 5 of which must be identical. The Chenming case has exactly 6 internal 3.5" bays, which is why I chose it. Consider RAID-duty or enterprise drives for the array. Optical and floppy - whatever you want. You will need adequate SATA data cables. The motherboard only comes with 2 SATA data cables. The power supply has 4 SATA connectors, you will need a couple Molex to SATA adapters and possibly some Y-splitters. Here is the theory behind RAID 5. It requires at least 3 drives, but performance sucks with only 3 - so 4 or more drives is best. RAID 5 is striping for performance and spanning like RAID 0, but also does parity. The capacity of a 4 drive array is 3 drives - the capacity of 5 drives is 4, and so forth. If any one drive drops out, the array still runs at reduced performance without data loss. If you have a hotspare, the Adaptec can kick it in and rebuild on the fly without downing the server. Last edited by glc; 10-16-2006 at 02:12 AM. |
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10-16-2006, 06:11 AM
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Wow thanks GLC, I'll have to look into it more when I get back today, but everything looks good. I will be putting this in a rackmount case as well.
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10-16-2006, 12:09 PM
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Rackmount may change things unless it's a full 4u. The smaller cases have different form factors for the expansion cards and possibly power supplies - and do they hold 6 hard drives?
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10-16-2006, 02:20 PM
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Oh I'm definately getting 4U. I don't trust my hands in working in such constraints. Anyway, Pentium D 805 build parts are in so I've got to go build that one.
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10-16-2006, 02:57 PM
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Pentium D is idling 45C lol. HSF is attached very tightly, too.
Last edited by newbuilder14; 10-16-2006 at 03:06 PM. |
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10-16-2006, 06:36 PM
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All done! Very fast, no problems at all. Highly recommend this setup. Asus is reading a CPU temp of 42C, not bad at all for a Pentium D. My motherboard idles 42C, but I blame that on the power supply and CPU fan vent. Is this okay? I have my case fan set to the lowest setting. Could put it to medium I suppose...
Last edited by newbuilder14; 10-16-2006 at 06:51 PM. |
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10-17-2006, 12:31 PM
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If you only have one case fan, I'd run it at full speed and make sure it's a rear exhaust fan.
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10-17-2006, 02:44 PM
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Thanks I boosted the speed to medium.
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