Time to re-new list.

[Chris_Rootes_Wizard]

Hello,

Firstly i'd like to say sorry because there are alot of posts about a new builds, and im adding to it.

Some time ago i had a list of a new AMD build, but im redoing it into an Intell core 2 duo build. I would do it on my own but i strugle to understand Intel as well as i do AMD. I will also be changing from www.ebuyer.co.uk to www.overclockers.co.uk

I will be using it for good gaming, a bit of downloading, surfing the internet with a few other things. So it needs to be pretty fast. Im going for 2 gigs RAM, about 250gb Hd, Dual core and a decent graphics card. I will also need to be able to be able to upgrade it when the time comes. (say in a year) Also intergrated Audio

I want to have wireless mouse and keyboard and a decent cheap monitor. Plus as much bang for the buck as possible. My budget is £1000, do you think i should spend all that on the Pc alone, or with everything? (Like os, keyboard etc.)

Here is a rought list i have put together: (i need assistance with Mo/bo, CPU RAM and a few others) Please.


Western Digital Caviar RE 250GB 2500YS SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (HD-104-WD)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...ital_SATA.html


Graphics card? Er, Ati, or Nvidia? Im not sure? Im going for a v. good one, at leat £150 + mark.


RAM Er, stuck, Which is compatable?

Case: Lian Li -- Heard its the best. But looking for a bit of bling, and a side window. Looked, and none had side window from what i saw. how about this?

Thermaltake VB1000BWS Soprano SuperMidi Tower - Black (CA-015-TT) Colour wise im looking for Black, with green or blue inards. But no mix.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...ake_Cases.html

PSU:

Hiper HPU-4B580 Type R 580W Modular ATX2.2 PSU - Blue (CA-006-HP) (Second on list)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal..._Supplies.html

Keyboard/Mouse: It can be seprate or a bundle if you chose to find another. But wireless.

Logitech Cordless Desktop EX-110 - Retail (KB-072-LG)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...binations.html

Optional--joystick. Im not sure about this yet. But i thought i may aswell add it in.

Logitech Attack 3 Joystick (GC-003-LG) (First on list)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Joysticks.html

Speakers:

Altec Lansing VS2320 2.0 Versatile Speaker System (SP-008-AL) (First)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal..._Speakers.html

Monitor: (cheap, but good..if possible ) :

OcUK Value Hanns-G HC194D 19" LCD Monitor - Silver/Black (MO-019-OK)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal..._Monitors.html

O/s: Not too sure what to look for.

Microsoft programs (Word, Excel etc) Well my grandad has a C.d, that allows up to 4 people use that one C.D, so ill leave it for now

What elce, im a bit blank and stuck for what i need! Thankyou very much for all the help im sure you will give me. And i know there are alot of other newbes out there seeking help, so any time spent helping me will be greatly appreciated.

CRW

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Some time ago i had a list of a new AMD build, but im redoing it into an Intell core 2 duo build. I would do it on my own but i strugle to understand Intel as well as i do AMD. I will also be changing from www.ebuyer.co.uk to www.overclockers.co.uk I will be using it for good gaming, a bit of downloading, surfing the internet with a few other things. So it needs to be pretty fast. Im going for 2 gigs RAM, about 250gb Hd, Dual core and a decent graphics card. I will also need to be able to be able to upgrade it when the time comes. (say in a year) Also intergrated Audio I want to have wireless mouse and keyboard and a decent cheap monitor. Plus as much bang for the buck as possible. My budget is £1000, do you think i should spend all that on the Pc alone, or with everything? (Like os, keyboard etc.).

How soon will you be buying the parts?

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Here is a rough list i have put together: (i need assistance with Mo/bo, CPU RAM and a few others) Please. Western Digital Caviar RE 250GB 2500YS SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (HD-104-WD)

I'd go with a Seagate instead of a Western Digital...5 year warranty vs. 3 year warranty.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Graphics card? Er, Ati, or Nvidia? Im not sure? Im going for a v. good one, at leat £150 + mark.

Sorry, can't help you with the video card choice.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard RAM Er, stuck, Which is compatable?

You need to decide on the motherboard and CPU first. Then check the motherboard maker's web site for the list of qualified RAM.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Case: Lian Li -- Heard its the best. But looking for a bit of bling, and a side window. Looked, and none had side window from what i saw. how about this? Thermaltake VB1000BWS Soprano SuperMidi Tower - Black (CA-015-TT) Colour wise im looking for Black, with green or blue inards. But no mix.

If you're looking for bling, get the Thermaltake. Lian Li cases are stylish...no bling.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard PSU: Hiper HPU-4B580 Type R 580W Modular ATX2.2 PSU - Blue (CA-006-HP)

Why did you decide on the Hiper brand? And why a modular PSU? Since the PSU is a very important component you want to go for quality with anything else a secondary consideration...get the Fortron Source Blue Storm 500 watt...it's a proven performer.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Keyboard/Mouse: It can be seprate or a bundle if you chose to find another. But wireless. Logitech Cordless Desktop EX-110 - Retail (KB-072-LG) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...binations.html Optional--joystick. Im not sure about this yet. But i thought i may aswell add it in. Logitech Attack 3 Joystick (GC-003-LG) (First on list) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Joysticks.html Speakers: Altec Lansing VS2320 2.0 Versatile Speaker System (SP-008-AL) (First) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal..._Speakers.html

These are all secondary items that really don't need to be looked at too hard...put these aside until you have the core components selected (motherboard, CPU, heatsink, RAM, video, power supply and monitor).

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Monitor: (cheap, but good..if possible ) : OcUK Value Hanns-G HC194D 19" LCD Monitor - Silver/Black (MO-019-OK) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal..._Monitors.html

I don't know much about Hanns-G monitors but I've seen them locally and they seem to be pretty decent. I saw one next to a Viewsonic and Samsung LCD monitors and the image quality was pretty close...but I don't know about the overall quality of the components used to assemble their monitors.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard O/s: Not too sure what to look for.

Simple...get WinXP. Home if you just need a good OS. XP Pro if you're on a network and need the extra networking features. I'd skip Vista for now and get it when the first Service Pack for it comes out.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard What elce, im a bit blank and stuck for what i need!

Well, for starters you must decide on the CPU and motherboard you'll be using. Concentrate on that first and then look for RAM and the video card. Pick out a good quality compatible power supply and then work from there.

Cricket

[Chris_Rootes_Wizard]

How soon will you be buying the parts?

Er, not sure yet. It will be after christmas. And i know i said id wait until after xmas, but i thougth i may aswell get started on the list now.

You need to decide on the motherboard and CPU first. Then check the motherboard maker's web site for the list of qualified RAM.

Yeah, i know but i dont know which to go with, i dont really know alot about Intel.

Why did you decide on the Hiper brand? And why a modular PSU? Since the PSU is a very important component you want to go for quality with anything else a secondary consideration...get the Fortron Source Blue Storm 500 watt...it's a proven performer.

Well, i think this was one of the recommended from the other list, but i maybe mistaken.

These are all secondary items that really don't need to be looked at too hard...put these aside until you have the core components selected (motherboard, CPU, heatsink, RAM, video, power supply and monitor).

I will, but i thought i'd put them in the list aswell.

[AnotherMuggle]

£1000 will be plenty for everything, including the OS and peripherals. Depends how hardcore gaming you want to go.

If you are after a high spec. graphics card then both ATI and Nvidia are delivering some impressive products at the moment. I personally would probably choose an ATI product.

As for the queries over the PSU, I think with the Hiper 580W it's pretty much, you get a good one then it can perform very well, but at the same time they are showing a fair few dud/dodgy units at present.

[Chris_Rootes_Wizard]

£1000 will be plenty for everything, including the OS and peripherals. Depends how hardcore gaming you want to go.

No, not extreme hard core, but good enought to get most games on okay detail.

I personally would probably choose an ATI product.

Okay then.

Thankyou for your help.

[Alaron]

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Er, not sure yet. It will be after christmas. And i know i said id wait until after xmas, but i thougth i may aswell get started on the list now. .

Prices and models will change by Christmas time. Most likely you'll be able to afford a better build, as more powerful parts will fit into the budget. I would come back to the list around time you're going to buy. You will have to update anything we set up now anyway.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Yeah, i know but i dont know which to go with, i dont really know alot about Intel.

Well, since it's going to be your computer you're the one who has to decide if you want a AMD based computer or a INTEL based computer. Currently the INTEL C2D processors are the top performers but if you feel more comfortable with AMD then by all means go with a AMD based computer. The final decision rests with you.

When you get down to it there isn't a whole lot of difference between a AMD based or INTEL based computer. Aside from the CPU and motherboard and possibly the RAM, everything else will be basically the same...hard drives, video cards, optical drives, power supply will interchange between the two.

Cricket

[newbuilder14]

AMD processors are stil great for price/performance, though. You can't go wrong with either choice to be honest. Only in the benchmarks.

[Chris_Rootes_Wizard]

Oh, okay. Yes i do feel more comfortable with AMD but Intel are top of the range. Am i wrong to say that AMD have more b for the b? Right now im looking for b for the b. But yet im looking for power aswell. I think i will go with Intel. And i wont be buying to after christmas, will the prices and models go to normall after? Or will they stay the same as now?

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Oh, okay. Yes i do feel more comfortable with AMD but Intel are top of the range.

For now.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Am i wrong to say that AMD have more b for the b?

You might be right if you're building a budget system. I don't follow CPU prices much but I think you can get Socket 939 Athlon 64 single core processor for a lot less than what a E6300 C2D costs. They're still fast enough to do most anything efficiently.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard Right now im looking for b for the b. But yet im looking for power aswell.

Well, like I said, the single core Athlon 64s are still pretty potent processors, don't make the mistake of thinking they're slow.

Just what will you be doing with this computer? Do you need the most powerful processor available?

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard I think i will go with Intel.

Your choice.

Originally Posted by Chris_Rootes_Wizard And i wont be buying to after christmas, will the prices and models go to normall after? Or will they stay the same as now?

Prices for certain items will probably be less than what they are now. You really should wait until you're ready to order to ask for parts selection help. It's only two more months.

Cricket

[Chris_Rootes_Wizard]

Just what will you be doing with this computer? Do you need the most powerful processor available?

No no. But i will probably do some gaming, as soon as i get it i wont be, but i think i will start to game alot more. I will have Norton Antivirus on in the back ground at some point, and i know that makes it slow, and i will probably want to do something while that is going. Er, some downloading. Maybe a bit of Internet gaming. Casually surfing the web. Maybe burning some C.ds/Dvds too. I dont need alot of processing power, but i would *Like* to try C2D, and would like that in my Pc. Im not looking for say the Extreme version of C2D, or anything radecal. But im looking for something that will give me mainly visible performance over benchmark performance. (But yeah, if i could dazzel a few people with the benchmark score that would be good )


I would also like this Pc to be pretty good in the future (Say in a year) and maybe upgrade then.

It's only two more months.

Yeah, i guess so.

Again, thanks for all the help

[glc]

Forget Norton and use AVG. Base your build around a C2D E6300 and a P965-based motherboard such as the Asus P5B. That's going to be the most bang for the buck even in a couple months in my opinion.

[jcrafty]

It sounds that you are going for speed (i e Gaiming). Consider the thermal issues as well. A quality case with good fans and possible watercoolimg for the CPU may be a player if heating becomes a issue after you run the system a while. First you must settle on what CPU etc you want.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by jcrafty It sounds that you are going for speed (i e Gaiming). Consider the thermal issues as well. A quality case with good fans and possible watercoolimg for the CPU may be a player if heating becomes a issue after you run the system a while.

I don't recall but this may be Chris_Rootes_Wizard's first build and I don't think watercooling should be an option for a novice. He needs to learn the basics first.

Cricket

[glc]

C2D's do not need anything but stock cooling unless you are overclocking them to the max.

[Chris_Rootes_Wizard]

I don't recall but this may be Chris_Rootes_Wizard's first build and I don't think watercooling should be an option for a novice.

True. I dont plan watercooling. Well, there isnt any need.

He needs to learn the basics first.

Again, true. I dont really have alot of "Hands on" experiance, all i know is the text book stuff.