Weird problem with PC build

[Greg]

I have just bought upgrades for 3 pcs and a installation of a new one, this is about my 10th build(s) or so now and i've seen similar before...but this time its different.

The computers...

Celeron D 356 3.33GHz LGA775 FSB533 512KB
ASUS P5GPL-X SE Pentium 4/Celeron/65nm single-core ATX
Hiper 435W Silver Mesh Body - 120mm Fan ATX2.2 20+4pin
Intel LGA 775, CeleronD/P4 3.4Ghz Ali multidirectional heatsink with fan
Western Digital WD400BB Caviar 40GB 7200RPM ATA/100 2MB Cache - OEM
Point Of view 6200LE 64mb TV DVI Support up to 256mb PCI-E

Now heres the problem... (and i've tried this out of case also) with the Motherboard, PSU, Graphics Card & CPU/Fan installed the Monitor displays the boot up process until the point where it can't go further.. not a problem

When i add the DVD or Harddrive by themselves..not a problem...still displays

However when i add both of them together onto the system the Monitor no longer displays the boot up (ie just black, and after saying NO RGB INPUT it goes into sleep (from Green to Yellow on power button))

Now normally i would say this is the PSU but i cannot see how a 435 Watt PSU could not power a motherboard, cpu, fan, gfx, hd and dvd-rom...i just don't get it, i have a much much more powerful system at home on a 450 watt psu and it works fine with power left over..

I seriously don't get this, theres nothing shorting the motherboard (that i'm aware off) because i've tried it out of the case with the same effect..

Please give advice otherwise my boss is not going to be best pleased.

Thanks in advance and must say great forum

Greg

[ktkendall]

They are both IDE right?? How exactly are you connecting and jumpering them?? That is perhaps the problem.

[Greg]

Yes they are both IDE but how does that relate to the fact that when they are both plugged in the monitor doesn't work? and iirc (i'm home now so can't check) i never had the IDE cable plugged in when using them, just the power,


its gotta be a power issue i just don't get how, why and where :P

ps my home system runs on a 430 W PSU...and is like 10x as good as that

[flanzig1]

Try a different PSU, the one your having a problem with could be going bad.

[Greg]

i've tried 4x PSU (cus i'm building 4 computers) they are all the same make and same wattage, i seriously doubt all 4 are bust but i dunno what else it could be..

[flanzig1]

Which ever part you haven't swapped out is probably the problem. (mobo/CPU/video card/etc) Also, make sure the HSU is on tight.

[ktkendall]

Sorry, I assumed you were plugging in the ide cables. Anyways probably one of those drives is defective. I would try each one seperately on a fully loaded working system with ide connection and all to see if each one of the drives actually is fully functional.

[Greg]

sorry i don't think i made myself clear,

i made 3 different systems out of the 'box' and its happend on all of them, on one now the HD/CD-ROM (which are admitidly older ones) won't even power up now.

Its not the induvidual components i'm pretty sure of that started with clean ones twice its gotta be something to do with the PSU not being able to provide enough power, i just don't know why

[Cricket]

Are you trying 3 different sets of components and the problem is the same for all 3 sets? Or are you trying 3 different motherboards with just 1 set of drives (HDD and CD/DVD)?

All power connections to the motherboards are connected? 24 (20 + 4) main and the 4 pin 12v connection?

Cricket

[glc]

If you are using 80 wire IDE cables, jumper all drives CS. If you are using a 40 wire, you must use master/slave jumpering. Something that a lot of people don't know - WD hard drives can NOT be jumpered to master unless a slave is present on the cable - you must remove the jumper for single operation. However, hard drives should be on 80 wire cables and jumpered to CS anyway. I don't know if this is even close to pertinent for your issue, but it's a point I need to make. Improper jumpering for the type cable CAN prevent a successful POST.

Something else you need to check - that processor may not be properly supported on that motherboard's current bios revision.

Celeron D 356 (65nm,3.33 GHz, 533 FSB, L2:512KB, revD0, LGA775) ALL
0301

Celeron D 356 (revC1,65nm,3.33 GHz, 533 FSB, L2:512KB, LGA775) ALL
0202

2 different C-D 356's - one requires 0202 or later, the other requires 0301 or later. 0301 is the latest, if yours is not 0301 I'd download it and apply it to be safe.

[Greg]

different motherboards, graphics cards, cpus, fans, ram, psu's...

i can't install anything until i get it to boot glc, and i don't think its IDE related as it doesn't supply a signal to the moniter with just power cables in

all power cables connected

thats defiantly enough power for the components right?

[glc]

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=132409

If it doesn't POST in minimum config out of the case, you have a defective core component - CPU, motherboard, PSU, ram, or video card - and the only way to isolate is by substitution. If it DOES POST in minimum config, mount the motherboard back in the case and try again, STILL with minimum config. If it doesn't POST, the case has a problem or the motherboard is shorting out. If it does POST, add things ONE at a time and test again.

Note that removal of the video card and/or ram will cause multiple beeps if the motherboard, PSU, and CPU are okay.

[Greg]

when i first logged onto the forums i went straight to that thread :P

did that with just mobo, cpu+fan, gfx and psu...it displayed onto monitor....

added dvd....still displays

add hd...no display

remove dvd...displays..

i can't see a induvidualt fault the only thing that seems to link them is the psu, and all of the above is without IDE cables

[glc]

When you add drives, connect both the power and IDE cables - and confirm proper jumpering each time for the exact configuration, and confirm proper recognition of the drive on the POST screen. When you reach a no-POST situation, you just added a bad component.

[Greg]

but isn't a bad component ruled out by the fact that when either one is in the monitor works, but when both are in together the monitor (display) fails to show anything?

[ktkendall]

Originally Posted by Greg but isn't a bad component ruled out by the fact that when either one is in the monitor works, but when both are in together the monitor (display) fails to show anything?

That is why If it were me I would fully install each of those drives one at a time and seperately on another working system as slave drives and see if either one of the drives are fully functional. Sounds to me like you've ruled out power supply by trying 3 other ones and since your not even hooking up IDE cables yet, I think it has to be one of the drives.

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by Greg but isn't a bad component ruled out by the fact that when either one is in the monitor works, but when both are in together the monitor (display) fails to show anything?

Probably because, like GLC said, the jumper settings are incorrect. Set both drives, optical and HDD, to CS (Cable Select) and try again. These settings can and do cause blue-screens and just blank screens. I probably don't need to explain how I know that!

[glc]

Don't even bother plugging the power into a hard or optical drive without connecting the IDE cable. This proves nothing.

[Greg]

it woudl still spin right?

it looks as though its the hard drive, when i plug the hard drive in it doesn't POST but without it, it does...

the hard drive doesn't spin with just the power on, with the IDE cable in it spins..but doesn't POST

[glc]

It's not going to spin till it gets an IDE signal to do so.

[Greg]

weirder still....

it was the hard drive, took a HD out of another computer and tried that...works fine, however the OS won't load

it posts the pc build thingy u know geforce, 512mb ram etc...then the motherboard screen...then the screen where it says its detecting primary masters/usb controllers etc...

at the end of this it says overclocking failed? however i ain't overclocked anything really don't get why its telling me that...

also it tells me

'Reboot and Select proper Boot Device'
'or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key'

now when i put the win xp CD into the DVD drive it won't even get past the first screen which says how much ram/what video card is installed etc, it loads that up for a second and then goes NO SCREEN INPUT...

what on earth is going on

[ktkendall]

Probably need to disconnect the drives so you can get into the BIOS and reset it to defaults, or use the jumper to do that.

[glc]

You sure you have the 0301 bios?