Upgrade

[pliez]

Hi i have an existing emachines E4024 desktop PC and am interested in modifyling its guts. i would like to know if it is possible to install a Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6700 in replacement of its existing Intel® Pentium 4 Processor 516 or do i have to do lots of different upgrading?
e.g
Intel® Desktop Board D945GCL
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processors E6700
Intel® 946PL Express Chipset
and if so will this setup work, my main interest is having an Intel® Core™2 Duo Processors E6700 in my computer. With that will i need a new fan?
will an upgrade make much difference to the performance of my pc?
i dont know much about the inside of PC's.

pliez
thankyou

[glc]

http://developer.intel.com/design/mo...cl/cl_proc.htm

Yes, it's compatible. However, that board has a 945G chipset, not a 946PL. I think you need to make sure of what you really have there.

A retail boxed processor will come with a heatsink/fan.

I think you are spending way too much money on a processor. Even a E6300 will totally blow away that 516. If your purpose for this upgrade is to play games better, you will need a video card and a new power supply - I'd factor that into your budget.

Modifying the guts, as you put it, will void your warranty.

[pliez]

So are you saying a cheaper process like the E6300 would be a better option or would it be too powerful for my computer?
my computers warranty has run out so i dont mind doing some stuff to the inside, sounds like fun.
cool about the fan coming with the processor -

I dont particularly want to play games i just want good speed and general smoothness but dont fancy buying a brand new comp. mines a bit slow just wondered if i can upgrade it myself. any suggestions?? i would like to be able to run photoshop better, multi task with more speed, hence the idea of core duo. as far as graphics cards are concerned im happy with my x-box lol
thanks for the reply
an idea of what to do with my metal junk in a cuboid would be good. thanks
pliez

[TimPoet]

Originally Posted by pliez So are you saying a cheaper process like the E6300 would be a better option or would it be too powerful for my computer?

He's saying the 6300 would enough power for you- it would save you a lot of money.

I dont particularly want to play games i just want good speed and general smoothness but dont fancy buying a brand new comp. mines a bit slow just wondered if i can upgrade it myself. any suggestions??

I would stick with the 6300 cpu and upping to RAM to at least 1 GB even 2 GB, I assume your mobo uses DDR2 memory. So get a matched pr of sticks to increase the speed of your compouter system.
Corsair Value Select is very popular here at PC Mech.
We suggest ordering from Newegg.com or Zipzoomfly.com.

[glc]

A mild video card that will not overtax the power supply would help with your work - the onboard video uses CPU cycles and shares system ram. Let's look at making your upgrade bucks go the farthest.

Give us your country and how much your upgrade budget is. Also confirm the model of the eMachine - 4024 does not cross. Also tell us how many memory slots it has, how many are in use, and what size/type/speed ram is in them.

[pliez]

I Live in the UK but dont mind buying from abroad e.g ebay as long as paypal is accepted
So buy a E6300
buy 2 x 1GB eMachines 184-pin PC3200 DDR400 nonECC DIMM (p/n EM-1GB-PC3200)
existing computer has dual channel with two free slots and 2 full (2 x 256MB)
can i use my existing motherboard and chipset ( am i right in thinking they are two separate things? )
computer is upgradeable to 4GB but i dont think ill need that much?
my computer is definately emachines E4024 bought last jan

http://www.memoryx.net/eme4me2.html


graphics card any suggestions
budget isnt too much of an issue under £300 not at all bothered if it exceeeds that. just want to know what i need to buy really.
thanks

[pliez]

http://uk.emachines.com/support/prod...es&model=E4024

does this help

[glc]

Uhoh.

That's not a D945GCL board - its a D915GAG. Not only is C2D not supported, *no* dual cores are - it only supports Celeron D's, 5xx, and 6xx P4's. Unless eMachines blanked it out, there *should* be a PCI-Ex16 slot for a video card.

http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/ag/ag_proc.htm

[pliez]

(That's not a D945GCL board - its a D915GAG.) i dont remember ever saying what "board" i have??? forgive me if im wrong.
((Not only is C2D not supported, *no* dual cores are)) will dual core or C2D be supported if i get a new chipset and board? this only tells me what i cant have, please could you recommend something my system can have if what i suggest isnt compatible.

i havnt really had much advice and still dont know the answer to my first question: do i have to do lots of different upgrading to get a dual core working? is dual core definately out of the questionthe only thing ive learnt is that the E6300 will save me money, cant use it with my computer because its got a D915GAG


what do i do?? i hope im not coming across as rude, that is not my intention. i just need answers and help.
thankyou.

to some things up, want faster speed, no lagging when running photoshop. (heard that Intel® Core™2 Duo Processors was good which is why ive been asking about it)

thanks pliez



below is all my computer info.


Mainboard:
Manufacturer - Intel Corporation (Intel)
Product - D915GAG

Chipset:
NorthBridge - Intel i915GL
SouthBridge - 82801FB/FR ICH6/ICH6R LPC Interface Bridge
NorthBridge Information :
Architecture - Direct Media Interface (DMI)
Manufacturer - Intel (Gateway 2000)
Codename - Grantsdale
Revision - B1
Bus Speed - 133.3 MHz
FSB Frequency - 533.3 MHz (QDR)
FSB max. Support - 533 MHz
RAM max. Support - DDR2 (400 MHz)

Physical Memory:
J6H1 (CHAN A DIMM 0 ) : 256 MB - DIMM
J6H2 (CHAN A DIMM 1 ) : 32768 MB - DIMM
J6J1 (CHAN B DIMM 0 ) : 256 MB - DIMM
J6J2 (CHAN B DIMM 1 ) : 32768 MB - DIMM

Manufacturer - Nanya Technology
Part Number - NT256D64S88C0G-5T
Serial Number - A7691F81
Type - DDR-SDRAM PC-3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size - 256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Max. Burst Length - 8
Refresh - Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh
Voltage - SSTL 2.5v
Prefetch Buffer - 2-bit
Supported Frequencies - 166 MHz, 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) - 2.5 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) - 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) - 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) - 7 clocks @166 MHz, 8 clocks @200 MHz

Processor:
Type - Intel Pentium 4
Internal Specification - Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.93GHz
Model Number - 516J (estimated)
Codename - Prescott
Revision - E0
Technology - 0.09µ
CPU ID - F.4.1
CPU IDEx - F.4.1

Video Card:
Manufacturer - Intel Corporation (Gateway 2000)
Model - 82915G/GV/GL, 82910GL Integrated Graphics Device
Bus Type - PCI
Total Memory - 128 MB
Texture Memory - 120 MB
Processor - Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Controller
Converter - Internal
Refresh Rate (min/max) - 60/120 Hz

this is my emachines E4024 specs. if you need anything else please ask
thanks

[glc]

In order to do any kind of meaningful upgrade, you will have to change the motherboard and essentially rebuild the whole computer.

I misread your very first post - I thought you said that the motherboard you HAD was a D945GCL.

The only thing I think I'd do is add more ram. That is an easy and helpful upgrade. 1.5 to 2 GB is a good number for running Photoshop.

[TimPoet]

Okay, if you want dual core, it looks like you may have to do an almost entire new build. You may be able to reuse the case, you should have no probkems with your monitor, keyboard and mouse, perhaps the hard drive, depending on the type you got.

Dual core is a good idea for an app like Photoshop.

CPU- Intel E6300

Motherboard- ASUS P5LD2-VM R2.0 (onboard video)

RAM- Corsair Value Select 1 0r 2 Gigs depending on size of budget

Hard Drive- (optional) Seagate 7200.10 size depending on personal preference

Power Supply- Go for 400 W (does this need to be 2.0?) from brands Antec, Sparkle (Fortron), Enermax, Enlight, PC Power and Cooling, and Thermaltake, not sure what's available in UK.

Optical Drive- Lite On DVD burner

You should be able to get by with onboard video

[pliez]

i dont know about 2.0? what does this refer to? sorry, i lack lots of technical knowledge!

i have an existing digital media manager (that thing at the front with slots for SD's and other cards.
and i have a dvd+ - 16x double layer multi-format drive
can i keep these??
can i keep hard drives?

Power


ID : GATEWA 04DT040
Version : 1.00
Revision : 3.30
Power Profile : Unspecified
IRQ ACPI INT : 9
APIC MP Support : Yes
ACPI Timer Support : Yes

Supply

Throttle Mode AC : None
Throttle Mode DC : Adaptive
Current Configuration : None
Throttle : 2933 MHz

Hard Drive: C
Disk Type : Hard Disk
Peripheral Type : ATA
Model : ST380011AS
File Management : NTFS

Hard Drive D:recovery
Disk Type : Hard Disk
Peripheral Type : ATA
Model : ST380011AS
Free Space : 0%
File Management : FAT32


thanks guys, this stuff is really helpful
im looking at it on the web now. cheers.
pliez

[pliez]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112704

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120376

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=115413

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119045

sounds good so far?

wasnt sure about the power supply found 430W not 400 will this matter?
pliez
thanks

[TimPoet]

Originally Posted by pliez i dont know about 2.0? what does this refer to? sorry, i lack lots of technical knowledge!

That was meant for GLC. I can't remember if this setup requires a certain type of power supply.

i have an existing digital media manager (that thing at the front with slots for SD's and other cards. and i have a dvd+ - 16x double layer multi-format drive can i keep these?? can i keep hard drives?

Yes, on the media mgr and dvd drive, not sure about your hard drive, what is the make and model?

Originally Posted by pliez http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112704 http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120376 http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=115413 http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119045 sounds good so far? wasnt sure about the power supply found 430W not 400 will this matter? pliez thanks

They all look good, 430W is just fine.

[newbuilder14]

Any reason why you chose an IDE hard drive? SATAs are the future.

[flanzig1]

You will need some ram with that system: Corsair Value Select DDR2 667.
Probably will need a new copy of Windows; windows installed on prebuilts generally can't be reused on another machine.

[pliez]

Originally Posted by newbuilder14 Any reason why you chose an IDE hard drive? SATAs are the future.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112227
how about that? this seems like value and more space than i could ever fill.

Originally Posted by TimPoet Yes, on the media mgr and dvd drive, not sure about your hard drive, what is the make and model?.

i dont mind getting a new harddrive.

Originally Posted by flanzig1 You will need some ram with that system: Corsair Value Select DDR2 667

so if i buy the things i listed will i ahve to install Corsair Value Select DDR2 667 instead of eMachines 184-pin PC3200 DDR400 nonECC DIMM (p/n EM-1GB-PC3200? because ill have a new motherboard. am i right in thinking that? just wanna make sure incase i fork out for the wrong memory.

i have windows XP home edition installed on my computer already, it was on there when i bought it, i also have it on CD which is in a card envelope that is hrinkwrapped basically untouched..will the new/modified computer not accept me using that? are CD's really that clever!

thanks for the help so far everyone, getting closer to photoshopping with speed!
pliez

[pliez]

Originally Posted by flanzig1 You will need some ram with that system: Corsair Value Select DDR2 667. Probably will need a new copy of Windows; windows installed on prebuilts generally can't be reused on another machine.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98691

or

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/111438

cheers.

pliez

[glc]

That motherboard may not fit your case - you probably need a micro ATX board. It also does not have onboard video. Look at this one:

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113969

The Value Select ram kit is all you need - no need to spend a premium for the XMS.

You may or may not be able to use the XP CD - if it's a genuine Microsoft holographic CD, you probably CAN use it - but I'm betting it's a eMachines restore CD, and if it is, you can't use it.

I would build it without a video card to begin with - with 2gb of ram you have plenty of available ram for sharing with the video. If you don't get a video card, the stock eMachines power supply will do the job.

NOTE: That motherboard MIGHT need a bios update to accept a C2D - if so, you can fire it up with the 516 processor first and update the bios.

If you want even more hard drive space, the 320gb Seagate 7200.10 drive is a better choice than the 7200.9 - it's a bit faster and uses newer technology. Photoshop loves extra space and if you get into video editing you will want all the space you can get.

[pliez]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113430
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98691
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112704
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120376
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113969
and if i eventually get a graphics card http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/105505/rb/24409166235 ??????
i also like the idea of this
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/48062

this is the final list plus a couple of extra possibilities.

i also have windows XP disc full software which i bought with my old PC separately so i could use that if all else fails.

i like the idea of the 320gb, youve changed my mind, more space the bettert and money wise isnt a great amount of difference.

so the C2D should be installed last, incase the bios update is neccessary.

does list sound good then?
will have a computer that will last a few more years yet?
pliez

[glc]

No, that's an IDE hard drive - you want SATA.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/115418

If you are going to bother getting a video card, I'd get a better one than that - the onboard is almost as good as that one. Hold off on a power supply purchase till you do get a video card.

[pliez]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98691
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/112704
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113969
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/115418
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/48062
final list
is this all good and definately going to work.
thanks
pliez

[glc]

That will get you going for now. Your XP CD must have SP1 or SP2 already incorporated to support a hard drive larger than 137gb.

[pliez]

Yeah it does, thanks guys for all your help.
pliez

[pliez]

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[bob0426]

Guys (a neutral term that references both men and women)…You are to be congratulated. You guys did a wonderful job of helping “pliez” with his computer up grade. I just completed this thread and it was one of the most enjoyable things I have read in a long time. And I want to say thank you?