New Build Where to begin

[inept]

Current configuration:
AMD Athlon 850MHz
Asus AV7-133
SilenX 450w PSU
SilenX 80mm case fans X 2
512 Megs RAM
60 GB WD hard drive
80 GB WD hard drive X 2
Windows 98SE
ATI Radeon 64MB DDR AGP
Zoom V90 PCI Faxmodem


My last build was in May 2000. The reason for doing so again is to build a system capable of video editing. When I built in 2000 it was so simple to select the components. My needs were few and so were the available selections. Now I want more and there is too much and too confusing a selection process.

My general usage is for spreadsheets and surfing.

My new endeavor is to begin video capturing from VHS and burn to DVD. I have many original tapes that are no longer available that will require editing before burning.

1.) I am impressed with the reports on the Antec Sonata III. It appears to reduce noise levels and has a solid power supply. The only objection is the front door.
2.) I currently have an Asus motherboard and except for the chip set fan dying on me it has caused no problems.
3.) I understand that the Intel CPU's have a little more power than the AMD's. I have also read that keeping Intel cpu's on Intel boards may reduce conflicts.
4.) I was thinking along the lines of an Intel E6550 2.33 GHZ or there abouts.
5.) The motherboard for the above CPU really eludes me. On my current system I planned for future expansion and would like to not limit myself too much this time, future move to a Quad-core for example.
6.) I would like the motherboard to be able to run Windows 98SE. I know it is not being supported but I have some old software that I run and may use a dual boot system.
7.) I would like to use Windows XP Home Edition which I own but do not use.
8.) I am okay with onboard audio. It's probably much better than what I have now.
9.) RAM - 2-3 GB, which manufacture and speed?
10.) Video capture hardware? One local vendor suggested a TV card with input ports and software. I do not watch TV when using the computer.
11.) Cost ??? $1500- $2000. Anything short of that might allow me to purchase a flat panel monitor.
12.) I do not currently OC my system, but I understand that the new motherboards and cpu's are more tolerant that the older ones.

I could really use a good jumping off place for this new build. Any good configurations that I might research and refine would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all in advance.

[wildfire]

I doubt you'll be able to reuse any parts from 7 years ago.. heh..

Heres a list to start you off that Alaron posted in another thread just a while ago.

Originally Posted by Alaron Asus P5K Motherboard Intel Core 2 Duo Q6600 CPU 2GB DDR2-800 Corsair 320GB Seagate 7200.10 SATA Hard Drive EVGA Geforce 8800GT Video Card Corsair 520HX Power Supply LiteOn DVD Burner Any case you like

Now if your not going to be doing any gaming, you could jump down from 8800gt to a 8600gt and loosen the cost down to $800 but sacrifice lots of performance if your playing really new games like crysis.
You could also swap out the quad core q6600[2.4ghz 4 cores] to a e6750[2.66ghz 2 cores] thats dual core and save another $100.

Making a computer that's only like $800, you still won't be able to reuse any of the parts from your old machine except maybe the fans. 7 years has changed technology a lot.

Now you won't be able to boot 98 with this build and I'd say this entire set would cost you about $1000. And its what.. 30x faster than your current comp . You won't be able to run 98 on any good motherboards, if you choose an extremely old one to boot with 98, I doubt vista or xp may work on it and it wouldn't use pcie most likely. also you'd have to get a pretty old cpu, use ide, use like pc2100 ram and stuff. I'd just suggest ditching windows 98 and just using your xp disk on a whole new computer. just set your 98 computer aside.

[mwhaha]

Im currently like half way through my build I am using my hard drive as an external. I would spend the money on a lcd monitor, since it looks alot better and saves alot of space.

For research, just go on dell.com and alienware.com and customise the pc for ideas..

I would recommend a better PSU if you are thinking of upgrading, the 620W or 750 even. Im sure 4 cores would make it faster for burning.. and its a better long term choice.

[inept]

Wildfire, thank you for the starting blocks
I do not do any gaming except for minesweeper/solitare/MahJongg. I think the onboard audio/video should be good enough for the video editing.
I like the idea of backing down to the e6750. I could always upgrade later if necessary.
I was thinking about using (1) 80GB SATA HD for the OS and (1) 250GB SATA HD for the editing.
I would like to install one of my old drives for additional storage.
I have read that some chipsets will not support Windows 98se. I am stubborn.
I still love my Lotus 123 and my Norton File Manager.
My old system has been misbehaving lately. IE locks up and my video pops and sometimes goes black. So, if I keep the old one, I will need to repair it.

Thanks, again, I will use your suggestions a starting point.

[Katreat]

One of the experts on video will come along and give you the best choice for video editing. Alot of us think gaming first and you really dont need that kind of firepower just to edit.

That being said, I think you would still be better off with a dedicated video card with its own memory rather than on-board for video editiing. On-board video is really designed for very casual useage. For anything else you do not want to use the system resources for the display. So you probably will be good with an lower level card with its own memory for what you will be doing.

Your old drives are probably IDE and newer MB are designed for SATA. However, they do have third party IDE controllers so using an older HD, as long as it is not the one with the OS, should be fine for additional storage. It just might take a litte time setting it up.

Alaron list is a good starting place. Your choice of the Amtec Sonota case is fine. If you end up with a lower end video card the 500 w PSU should handle it fine. If you end up needing a better card then you might want to consider a case without PSU and get something bigger.

Kat

[inept]

All good thoughts pointing me in the right directions. That's what I like in life, choices. Just not too many, I get confused.

mwhaha, that's a good idea. I had not thought of using one of my old drives as an external. I'll have to look for an enclosure for it.

Any additional suggestions or clarifications are appreciated.

[wildfire]

You're onboard audio if you choose the Asus P5K will be fine. The Asus P5K DOES NOT have onboard video, thus it has no vga or dvi to connect you to a monitor. This forces you tog et a video card lol. Anyways, you should just spend $110 to get a 8600GT though because it will work great for video editting.

So you will be backing down to the e6750 which is good idea since your not going to be doing much gaming or a ton of multitasking.

Getting new sata hard drives is definitely a good idea since all newer motherboards only come with 1 IDE hard drive which your 3 hard drives probably all are. The P5K comes with 5 sata ports I thinnk .

So again, the only things you can reuse is your fans if your case allows it. 1 IDE hard drive of yours, or if any of them are sata, you can use them all! But i don't think they had sata 7 years ago.. ><.. Oh and i think you could use your PCI faxmodem thing whatever that is, it says PCI and every motherboard has a PCI slot ^^.

SO it seems your going to be buying these parts now if I'm not mistaken..

Antec Sonata III Case+PSU [Great psu and case] $119.95 after rebate
Asus P5K Motherboard $126.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 $194.99
2GB DDR2-800 Corsair $45.00 afer rebate
80+250GB Seagate 7200.10 SATA Hard Drive $43.99 + $69.99
EVGA Geforce 8600GT Video Card 99.99 after rebate
LiteOn DVD Burner $37.99
[Reusing 1 of your IDE hard drives, using a XP home edition which you have]
This comes to $738.89. I can hand over the links from newegg if you want.

That is a very solid build and should be plenty fast.
I included that prices from newegg for them, should be helpful to knowing how much it costs if you're living in the US. This would be a pretty bad waste of my time if you didn't live in the US >

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[shadowpr]

Originally Posted by wildfire The Asus P5K DOES NOT have onboard video, thus it has no vga or dvi to connect you to a monitor. This forces you tog et a video card lol. Anyways, you should just spend $110 to get a 8600GT though because it will work great for video editting.

Here is a P5K with onboard video. There are several varieties to the standard P5K.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131187

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131184

[wildfire]

Originally Posted by shadowpr Here is a P5K with onboard video. There are several varieties to the standard P5K. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131187 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131184

I thought that G33 was an old chipset or older than the standard p35.

But anyways, onboard video is normally pretty bad.

[inept]

The current configuration for IDE drives allows (2) drives per ribbon cable, one master and one slave. I do not think I will need or use both drives.

The DVD burner should have very good to great software.

The "faxmodem" is just a dial-up modem with the ability to send and receive faxes like the fax machine in an office.

The additional $100+ will not break the bank.

Someone has mentioned a KVM switch which allows (2) computers to share keyboard,video monitor, and mouse. This may really help my stubborness for not giving up my Lotus 123 as I have room for another box but not the keyboard/monitor/mouse.

Thanks, again. It looks like things are shaping up just fine.

[inept]

Yes, I do live in the U.S.A.

[inept]

There has been no mention of the Intel motherboards. Any thoughts?

[RazR]

do you mean the Intel 'branded' motherboards or just the general variety of intel motherboards?

[inept]

Intel branded boards by Intel

[RazR]

ive heard they are fairly good..
you can never go wrong with anything by intel

[wildfire]

Well Intel boards branded by Intel at ok, But the best brands from what I've heard would be either Asus or Gigabyte. Asus being #1 and Giga as #2. Intel motherboards are fair, so I'd suggest sticking with the Asus P5K.

I can't think of anymore suggestions with the current rig that's been set up for you.
It's extremely solid, great brands and will let you edit videos and play solitaire, and mine sweeper like a breeze. [lol, you still play those games xD]

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by inept Intel branded boards by Intel

Intel motherboards are very good quality (comparable to ASUS) and are very stable and reliable. But most aren't meant to be used in performance computers since they don't allow you to fiddle with many performance settings (most can't be overclocked).

Cricket