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04-16-2008, 11:11 PM
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First timer needs feed back
I am looking to build a good gaming/video editing pc. I have decided on on an intel E8400 for the CPU. My main concerns are to try and keep it below $1000. I also want to be able to run COD4 and WOW well because these are what I want to play mostly. I also want a black case that cools well and has a front door. I don't care for the gamer cases with all the lights. Any opinions on how this build might perform?  SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM Item #: N82E16827151154 Enlight PA420112 Black 0.6mm Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail Item #: N82E16811116021 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $79.99 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM Item #: N82E16822148136 EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail Item #: N82E16814130082 Patriot Viper 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PVS24G8500ELK - Retail Item #: N82E16820220299 GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3P LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Dynamic Energy Saver Ultra Durable II Intel Motherboard - Retail Item #: N82E16813128083 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail Item #: N82E16819115037 |
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04-16-2008, 11:34 PM
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Do you need to include the OS, monitor and/or peripherals into the budget?
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04-17-2008, 01:58 AM
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No fat, just the lean machine
Nope, I already have A 19" falt LCD with like 8 ms. A Logitech 15 keyboard and mouse. And some 7.1 speakers. Just need the Tower, and a good DVD burner. I would like the tower or mobo to have a firewire port since that it what I use to transfer digital movies from my camera.
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04-17-2008, 02:01 AM
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OS, still deciding
I have Win XP Pro (retail ver.) So I can use it. I have been reading up on Win Vista and many people seem to have problems with it. My problems with XP have been minimal, so I will stick with it for now to keep costs down.
I may want Vista in the future, so I will want it Vista capable.
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04-17-2008, 06:41 AM
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everything here looks good; for a 19" monitor, the 8800gts will be able to handle both those games really well, probably high-max settings for everything. 2gb of ram is plenty, and the dual core will keep apps snappy. Only thing i would say is to get an actual psu, maybe 450W-500W+, instead of using the lame one provided with the case.
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04-17-2008, 06:50 AM
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8800GTS will easily max both those games. Enlight PSU's are reasonably good quality but it may not be enough wattage/amperage for this rig.
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04-17-2008, 08:23 AM
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how do you determine wattage?
How do I determine wattage? Does 80 plus cert mean much? Recommend a 500W PSU?
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04-17-2008, 08:48 AM
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Build looks compatable. I would recommend:
500+ watt PSU. I know you are on a tight budget but a quality PSU is very important and you want at least 500w for that system in my opinion. A good option is the Antec Sonota case/psu combo. Quality 500w PSU and nice case, think it has a door. Check out this list for quality PSUs: http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=131195 Move to a 7210.11 HD, twice the cache. People been haveing some issues with Samsung opticals, would suggest going with Lite-on. Be sure to buy SATA and get retail if you need burning software. On my 8800 GTS 320 I play wow steady with 60+ FPS, but for the money right now, unless you found a great deal, you should look to the 9600 GT or 8800 GT for the sweet spot in the market. Should be in the same price range. Kat
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04-17-2008, 09:06 AM
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Can save money on ddr2-800 ram. Anythin more than that isn't needed unless overclocking.
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04-17-2008, 10:53 AM
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Revised specs.
Here is my revised build after reading the posts again.
Better, worse? 1 SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM Item #: N82E16827151154 $34.99 1 NZXT Alpha Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Open Window - Retail Item #: N82E16811146041 $59.99 1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM Item #: N82E16822148136 $99.99 1 EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail Item #: N82E16814130082 $144.99 1 Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W SLI Ready-ATX12V V2.01 Power Supply - Retail Item #: N82E16817182032 $69.99 1 A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1B16K - Retail Item #: N82E16820211188 $69.99 1 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard - Retail Item #: N82E16813128059 $89.99 1 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail $209.99 Subtotal: $779.92 |
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04-17-2008, 11:04 AM
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Rosewill have really low quality power supplies, take a look at this one instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171016
Take a look at this faster video card for the same price as the one in your list: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130334 |
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04-17-2008, 01:04 PM
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That's the same mobo/CPU combo I'm getting. One thing I decided to do to save money is to cut back to 2 GBs of RAM, not a huge save really but you can get higher quality for a good bit cheaper.
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04-17-2008, 08:38 PM
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Also, get the 7200.11 500gb hard drive.
Change the power supply. And I would recommend lite-on or asus dvd drive. |
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04-18-2008, 04:32 AM
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Looking at suggestions
My Mobo only supports PCI-E x16, the Geforce 9 series card that was recommended was PCI-E 2.0. So, it wouldn't be worth it right? I'm still reading about the whole 2.0 thing.
I did take the advice about the PSU and the memory. I can always get more memory later if I decide to upgrade to a 64 bit OS. |
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04-18-2008, 04:45 AM
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ok, version 3
Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1 ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T - Retail Item #: N82E16827135156 $39.99 1 COOLER MASTER Mystique RC-632S-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail Item #: N82E16811119129 $79.99 1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3320613AS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM Item #: N82E16822148316 $79.99 1 EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail Item #: N82E16814130082 $144.99 1 COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power RP-550-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 550W Power Supply - Retail Item #: N82E16817171016 $69.99 1 Kingston HyperX NVIDIA SLI-Ready 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX8500D2K2/2GN - Retail Item #: N82E16820104008 $66.99 1 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard - Retail Item #: N82E16813128059 $89.99 Subtotal: $566.93 |
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04-18-2008, 04:53 AM
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The card and the motherboard will work fine together. PCI-e 2.0 is backwards compatible with PCI-e 1.0. Only the top end cards (3870 X2, 9800GX2) show noticible inprovement using a 2.0 motherboard.
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04-18-2008, 04:53 AM
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ok, version 3
Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1 ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T - Retail 1 COOLER MASTER Mystique RC-632S-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower 1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3320613AS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - 1 EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail 1 COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power RP-550-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 550W Power Supply - Retail 1 Kingston HyperX NVIDIA SLI-Ready 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX8500D2K2/2GN - Retail 1 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard - Subtotal: $566.93 |
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04-18-2008, 04:55 AM
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Video card
So, the PCI 2.0 will work on PCI 1.0 but it won't be running things as fast as it could.
Presumably it would be faster than the 1.0 but wouldn't I have to get a different mobo to use it's full potential?
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04-18-2008, 04:57 AM
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ok, version 3
Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1 ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T - Retail Item #: N82E16827135156 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $9.992 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $14.99 -$5.00 Instant $39.99 $34.99 1 COOLER MASTER Mystique RC-632S-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail Item #: N82E16811119129 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$5.00 Instant $84.99 $79.99 1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3320613AS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM Item #: N82E16822148316 Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $14.992 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $19.99 $79.99 1 EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail Item #: N82E16814130082 Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $29.992 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $39.99 $30.00 Mail-in Rebate $144.99 1 COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power RP-550-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 550W Power Supply - Retail Item #: N82E16817171016 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $14.992 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $19.99 $69.99 1 Kingston HyperX NVIDIA SLI-Ready 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX8500D2K2/2GN - Retail Item #: N82E16820104008 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $29.992 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $39.99 -$73.00 Instant $139.99 $66.99 1 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard - Retail Item #: N82E16813128059 Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $14.992 Year Extended Service Net Replacement Plan -- $19.99 $89.99 Subtotal: $566.93 |
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04-18-2008, 06:08 AM
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The connection would be faster but you wouldn't notice the difference with a card other than the ultra high end. And yes you would need a new motherboard using either the new nVidia or AMD chipsets. It's not really worth it with the bandwidth required by todays cards, its more of a be ready for future cards that will benefit.
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04-18-2008, 07:43 AM
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Change Mobo?
So, Should I change the Mobo to one that has a PCI-E 2.0 slot? Any suggestions?
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04-18-2008, 08:57 AM
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There is little advantage in changing to a PCI-E 2.0 slot. It is a feature that will someday likely show some performance gains but currently has little utilization. IMO there is no reason to chose a MB based on it being PCI-E 2.0 or 1.0. If you wanted to spend more on a MB I would be looking at more features that will benefit you today and in the near future.
I would still recommend you change out your 8800 GTS 320 for the newer 9600 GT or if you have a couple of dollars the spare the 8800 GT. The G92 GPU made a significant inprovement in performance over the older GPU that card uses and the price is very compairable. Kat |
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04-18-2008, 09:21 AM
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04-18-2008, 11:04 AM
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Thank You
Thank you all for the information. I think I have finally narrowed it down to what I will go with. Thank you for all your suggestions.
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04-19-2008, 10:37 PM
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Placed my order!
MB GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L P35+ICH9 - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$89.99)
(Shipped from City of Industry, CA) VGA EVGA 512-P3-N861-AR 9600GT 512M - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$149.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) CPU INTEL|C2D E8400 3G 775 45N R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$209.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) CASE CM|RC-632S-KKN1-GP BK RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$79.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) PSU CM|RP-550-PCAR 550W RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$69.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) MEM 1Gx2|KST KHX8500D2K2/2GN R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$66.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) HD 320G|ST 7K ST3320613AS % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$79.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) DVD BURN ASUS|DRW-2014L1T LS SATA - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$35.99) (Shipped from City of Industry, CA) |
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