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Old 01-08-2009, 10:47 PM   #1
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Got $500 to Build for a Friend...

I've got 500 bucks to spend on a build for a friend, and it needs to stay right at that 500 dollar mark, INCLUDING tax and shipping, so that's somewhere around $450 for parts. This rig is going to be used for basic stuff, word, excel, surfing, email, pictures, videos, basic games (not gaming, I'm talking about online poker, etc.) So nothing too intensive.
Here's what I put together on the quick, please let me know your thoughts, where I can do better, if everything is compatible, where I may have gone overboard....thanks!!!

CPU:
Intel Pentium E2180 Allendale 2.0GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116052

MOBO:
Intel BOXDG31GL LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121341

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

PSU:
FSP Group SAGA+ 450R 450W ATX12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104954

HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148262

OPTICAL DRIVE:
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151171

OS:
Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3

CASE:
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119068
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for a few more dolloars
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116072

People here typically recommend Asus motherboards and Lite-On optical drives. You probably dont need 4GB, but RAM is so cheap right now. Only a 64 bit operating system will recognize more than 3GB. Overall looks like a nice build.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:04 AM   #3
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For the same price, an Asus P5KPL-CM is a more fully featured motherboard. I fully concur with the E5200 recommendation. To cut the cost a bit, an Antec Basiq 350 power supply is all you need at 20 bucks.
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Agreed on the Asus P5KPL-CM and the E5200.
LG or Lite-On for an optical drive.
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Great recommendations so far, CPU is much better and the MOBO has a PCI 16 slot for a graphics card down the line. And that Antec PSU is a good one for only $20???
Here's the updated list:

CPU:
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116072

MOBO:
ASUS P5KPL-CM LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131288

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

PSU:
Antec Basiq BP-350B 350W ATX12V Version 2.01 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371013

HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s HD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148262

OPTICAL DRIVE:
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151171

OS:
Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3

CASE:
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119068

I know the RAM is overkill, but it's too cheap to pass up. Anybody have anything else? So far you guys are coming through once again.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:12 AM   #6
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If you are planning on a video card later, spend another 20 bucks and get a Basiq 500. I would replace that DVD burner with a Lite-On or LG.
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Ok, I'll change over to the this Burner:

LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136152

But any particular reason? The Samsung had equally good reviews. Just curious.


I'm not even going to consider the graphics card right now, he probably won't ever be needing one. BUT, I will have to upgrade the PSU, the $20 Antec one only has one SATA connector, I need two, one for HD, one for DVD, so I had to look for something else....here's a couple I found that look good and still fairly cheap:

FSP Group SAGA+ 400R 400W ATX12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104953

Rosewill Stallion Series RD400-2-SB 400W ATX V2.2 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182074
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The motherboard comes with one Molex to SATA power adapter.

Samsung optical drives do not have a good reliability record.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:43 AM   #9
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CPU:
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116072

MOBO:
ASUS P5KPL-CM LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131288

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

PSU:
Antec Basiq BP-350B 350W ATX12V Version 2.01 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371013

HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s HD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148262

OPTICAL DRIVE:
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136152

OS:
Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3

CASE:
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119068

Any final thoughts?
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:41 PM   #11
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Ok, good, but before I make the order, let me ask anyone out there reading this, THIS.....if YOU had 500 bucks to put a computer together for the medium intensity uses I outlined in the beginning of this thread, what components would YOU choose? Would any of you be going with an AMD based system instead? I would really like to know this....
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That is a great list. You could spec out something similar with AMD, but it really wouldn't make any major difference when it comes to performance for the money. Your friend will be quite happy with your setup as it stands.
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Old 01-09-2009, 06:06 PM   #13
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That is what I would buy for $500.
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If it was me, the only things I would change might be the case, and maybe the dvd drive for either a lite-on or asus. I just like those brands, and have experience with them.
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Ok, good, but before I make the order, let me ask anyone out there reading this, THIS.....if YOU had 500 bucks to put a computer together for the medium intensity uses I outlined in the beginning of this thread, what components would YOU choose? Would any of you be going with an AMD based system instead? I would really like to know this....
If I was building a low budget computer for the uses listed, I would probably go with an AMD based system, partially because the integrated graphics is better (especially for videos) and partially because AMD systems use the ram better than Socket 775 Intel processors. For all the uses in the first post, and running XP, there is pretty much no benefit whatsoever to getting 4GB of ram, other than making the computer specs look nicer, it won't make a noticeable improvement in performance if any improvement at all. Here is a build list I would probably use:


LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-08
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106264
$25.99

IN WIN IW-Z589T.AQ350BL Black Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811108073
$59.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250310AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148261
$49.99

GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128342
$54.99

A-DATA Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1A16KN
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211165
$18.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000 3.1GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor Model ADV60000DOBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103272
$72.99

Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3 for System Builders
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511
$99.99

Subtotal: $382.93
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here is mine...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106264

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811108073

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148261

Foxconn A7GM-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186141

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103273

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511

quad 4, amd, totally stable , within budget, 780 G best onboad graphics, probably the best budget amd board out there

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Old 01-09-2009, 11:58 PM   #17
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That's pretty impressive, however the motherboard won't accept anything higher than the 9850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103249. Looks like AMD parts came down in price a lot in the US (The Quad Core sells for over $250 in Canada).

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That's pretty impressive, however the motherboard won't accept anything higher than the 9850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103249. Looks like AMD parts came down in price a lot in the US (The Quad Core sells for over $250 in Canada).
good call, I knew that but I was going to fast. I need to be more careful, which I usually am.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103249.

I built one of those for a friend (not the case though) and it is s till going strong, he loves it.
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here is a nice article on the board...

http://www.digital-daily.com/motherb...n_a7gm_s/print
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This rig is going to be used for basic stuff, word, excel, surfing, email, pictures, videos, basic games (not gaming, I'm talking about online poker, etc.) So nothing too intensive.
I don't see in your list where you have made allowance for the price of a copy of XP.

If this machine will be used as basically as you say:
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?inv...ABA-DT&cat=SYS
With what you save you can upgrade the ram, DVD to a burner and a decent power supply.
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Are you replying to me or to jdeb? My list includes a copy of XP and is about 430 bucks on newegg for parts, and just under 500 including shipping and tax.

Also, kind of surprised you're recommending a retail brand? I could drive over to best buy and get a decent system for about 400, but i just don't want to be stuck with their parts and upgrading according to their limitations.

I will admit, that jdeb and masaki have peaked my curiosity at possibly switching over to, or at least looking more into an amd build. Can anyone look at the system I'm proposing with glc and shadowpr's help and the amd systems that jdeb and masaki put together and provide some input?

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But any particular reason? The Samsung had equally good reviews. Just curious.

I would go with the list you have finalized.

I suggest LG or Lite-On's because I know them to be reliable. I burn about 20 DVD's/week on average at 16X and don't make any coasters (Verbatim +R 16X media). I prefer the LG because they are quieter and smoother operating. They also come with a better software bundle when buying OEM.
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By the sound of it you are building this machine for someone who is possibly not too computer savvy, sometimes in a situation like this it is better to go with a prebuilt.
You have the knowledge that all the parts are compatible and that the machine is fully covered by a warranty. If you have all the time in the world to assist your friend with any problem that arises, fine, but if he or she lives a distance away and you have school/college or work to attend, then helping them can become a bit of a headache.
$500 is not a lot of money so I am guessing your friend doesn't have a lot of money to spare, will he or she have spare money in two years time when support for XP ends?
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Yes you're absolutely right, I find myself helping him with his computer all the time regardless. He has a prebuilt now, but its a few years old, so the issues are adding up, and it's getting pretty slow. I told him I could build him one and then helping him fix it / upgrade it will actually be easier for me. He's pretty close by, so I don't mind helping when he does something stupid.

I think I'll go with the following final list and I'm sure he'll be happy with it. Thanks a million once again for all your help.

CPU:
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116072

MOBO:
ASUS P5KPL-CM LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131288

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

PSU:
Antec Basiq BP-350B 350W ATX12V Version 2.01 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371013

HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s HD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148262

OPTICAL DRIVE:
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136152

OS:
Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3

CASE:
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119068

I just have to ask, because I've been relying on these forums for great advice for some time....is everyone on here completely unbiased? By unbiased I mean members dont receive in any way any benefit from making the recommendations for certain products other than genuinely thinking that they are the best choices. Here's what I mean. ASUS can't be the only manufacturer in the world that makes good boards, Corsair can't be the only company in the world that makes good memory, LG burners, etc. When I look at reviews on other sites, plenty of other boards and memory and burners etc. get great "grades".....????
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As far as I know, everyone here makes recommendations based on personal experiences and the experiences of others from this board.

Many of us will recommend different brands, but we will also usually start out with the basic recommendations of certain brands.
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I base my brand recommendations on about 15 years of experience. I recommend what I've had the least number of issues with. I'm far from unbiased (example - I refuse to build anything except with an Intel processor on a motherboard with an Intel chipset), but I have never received anything from anyone for choosing anything in particular.

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Thanks, you guys are awesome, hope you didnt mind me asking, but had to ask. I will let you know how this comp turns out, very much appreciate all the help, this and other threads I have going.
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Your final list looks fine to me.
Save yourself $30 and download service pack 3.
http://www.9software.com/product_p/w...htm&Click=5673

I have bought from these guys a few times and they are ok, they have been listed with pricewatch.com since 1999.

I wish someone did pay me/reward me for my reccomendations.......
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I foresee less trips to your friends house to help him out with the custom build. They are much easier to diagnose and repair.
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Are you replying to me or to jdeb? My list includes a copy of XP and is about 430 bucks on newegg for parts, and just under 500 including shipping and tax.

Also, kind of surprised you're recommending a retail brand? I could drive over to best buy and get a decent system for about 400, but i just don't want to be stuck with their parts and upgrading according to their limitations.

I will admit, that jdeb and masaki have peaked my curiosity at possibly switching over to, or at least looking more into an amd build. Can anyone look at the system I'm proposing with glc and shadowpr's help and the amd systems that jdeb and masaki put together and provide some input?
I simply made the choice based on what you said you wanted to do with it. Your scenario was exatly the same as a freind of mine asked me. The AMD will give you a real nice blend of on board video performance (light gaming) and also give you the multi tasking power your freind may grow into. It is a mid value syem with high performance at a reasonable price. A nice benefit is that the build enables you to upgrade a little as well. The integrated video on this board is very good, one of the best. The stability and ease of installation will be of benefit to you. Another good thing is that it can be converted into a nice HTPC PC in the future.
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