Fourth Time, No Charm. Bad Component?

[VealChop]

The following is a mostly spare parts build which so far is failing to boot:

I won't list all parts, I only have the MOBO, MEMORY, CPU, HEAT SINK, and PSU hooked up outside the case, and I get about 5 seconds of CPU fan, then it cuts out.....

MOBO:
Foxconn G31MV-K LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186145

MEMORY:
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145568

CPU:
Intel Celeron D 352 Cedar Mill 3.2GHz 512KB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Single-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819112211

PSU:
Antec Basiq BP-350B 350W ATX12V Version 2.01 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371013


The memory I have used before, then was left over after an upgrade,
The chip I have used before, was also left over after an upgrade,
The PSU and MOBO are new out of the box

The CPU / heatsink are firmly seated, checked and rechecked
I tried both sticks of RAM, one then the other in one then the other slots
MOBO is sitting on cardboard

All attempts yielded about 5 seconds of CPU fan spin, and then shut down.....
I don't have any other spare parts to try, any suggestions?

[not important]

Do you have ALL the power connectors properly connected? Is the 4-pin ATX power connector connected?
Is the CPU securely secured to the MOBO?

[rjfvillarosa]

Originally Posted by VealChop any suggestions?

Only one, what about a harddrive? it won't be the first mobo I have come across that won't boot without a harddrive connected.

edit....one more, have you done a BIOS reset?

[VealChop]

All the power connectors are set, 20 + 4 pin, CPU 4 pin, and CPU fan is connected also.
I don't have a hard drive connected, I will try that....

How do I do a BIOS reset?

edit: Attaching the HD didn't do the trick....

[Panama Red]

You sure that mobo supports your cpu? Check the fsb listings. If Foxconn has a cpu support listing on their site like Asus, see what it says.

[rjfvillarosa]

Use the CMOS jumper, usually pins one and two shorted are for normal operation and pins two and three shorted do a BIOS reset. Short pins two and three for about ten seconds.
The other way is to remove the power cable from the back of the PSU and then remove the mobo battery for about ten minutes, put the mobo battery back in before replacing the power cable.

[Panama Red]

Mobo fsb = 1066/1333 and cpu fsb = 533. Anyone else see a problem?

edit: mobo manual also lists 800fsb

[rjfvillarosa]

You just took all the fun out of having VealChop running in circles for an hour.......

[VealChop]

Cleared the BIOS both ways, still nothing, tried with / without HD hooked up.

Foxconn's CPU support listings show the MOBO can accept the chip:

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Upload...MV-CPU-A88.mht

[Panama Red]

Originally Posted by VealChop Cleared the BIOS both ways, still nothing, tried with / without HD hooked up. Foxconn's CPU support listings show the MOBO can accept the chip: http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Upload...MV-CPU-A88.mht

Good news. That's why I suggested checking the site.

[rjfvillarosa]

Originally Posted by VealChop I tried both sticks of RAM, one then the other in one then the other slots

Have you got a case speaker you can connect to the mobo? Try it with no RAM fitted and see if you can at least get a fault 'beep'.

[VealChop]

No, no case speaker handy.
No way to tell what's most likely the issue? I can go out and get another PSU to see if that is it, but I'd have to buy or order it.

[glc]

It's more likely a bad mobo than a bad PSU. I'm not impressed with Foxconn's quality and reliability.

[VealChop]

Well, I bought a new PSU from Staples just to test that possibility and I'm getting the same exact results, I will have to swap out the MOBO. Any ideas whats a better mobo to go with? I'm trying to spend as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, this is just a spare parts build that I will just give to a freind who has a 10 year old who'd love to have his own computer.....

(by the way, same PSU, Antec 350 watt Basiq was $50 bucks at Staples, $20 bucks on Newegg....how do these stores stay in business???)

[glc]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813121319R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121321
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131243R

[Masaki 7-11]

Originally Posted by glc http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813121319R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121321 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131243R

Aren't Intel motherboards made by Foxconn?

[glc]

It's hard to be fussy when you are looking for low priced boards with Intel chipsets and onboard video that support that old Celeron. The P5KPL boards do not, or I'd be right on those. I'll settle for an Intel over a Foxconn-branded board because Intel has its own bios that has stability foremost. Dell boards are also made by Foxconn.

I question Foxconn's claim that their G31 board supports 533 FSB - the Asus boards do not. This is also why I started looking for 945-based boards because those definitely do and they are very stable. I use a P5L-MX for my test bench board these days.

[VealChop]

GLC you da man. Well, you're all da man. I RMA'd the first MOBO, but got the same results with the second MOBO, had already tried the PSU and the RAM, so there was nothing left but the chip. I put an 800 FSB chip in, and all went well from there.

So just for the record, this board:

Foxconn G31MV-K LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186145

can not take a 533 FSB chip even though their support site says it can:
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Upload...MV-CPU-A88.mht

At least my novice butt couldn't get it to work. Thanks again for the great input, you guys are the best.

[jdeb]

I do not think that board supports a 533 front side and trust that it is a misprint. I contacted Foxconn and will follow up with you guys. Now the 45cmx does support that chip because I just built one for what it's worth.

I have also used that board before (different cpu) e2160 and never have had a problem. I don't think the board is bad.

I just looked in my records and I have built 4 of those boards (with the e2160 and e2180) and all fired up out the box and passed all tests. Not had one customer call back on these systems.

[VealChop]

I don't think the board is bad either, once a matching chip was in it, it fired up without a hitch. It just would have saved a lot of time and effort if the support page hadn't made me think it could take the older Celeron. Now this 9 year old has one heck of a system at her finger tips :-)

Anyway, one more question, I have read in this forum that cases with side windows are not as good....am I missing something? Or is this just a personal preference. I have two Lian Li's with windows, I kind of dig it. Is it possibly a cooling issue???

[glc]

No, it's just personal preference.

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by jdeb I do not think that board supports a 533 front side and trust that it is a misprint. I contacted Foxconn and will follow up with you guys. Now the 45cmx does support that chip because I just built one for what it's worth. I have also used that board before (different cpu) e2160 and never have had a problem. I don't think the board is bad. I just looked in my records and I have built 4 of those boards (with the e2160 and e2180) and all fired up out the box and passed all tests. Not had one customer call back on these systems.

Got word back today... GLC was right in TERMS of the G31 FSB 533...as I expected... here is the cut and paste from the email

"Sorry for the delay.

I wanted to have this verified by compatibility team. The results are that Intel’s G31 chipset does not support 533FSB processors. Our compatibility listing will be updated shortly. Please accept our apologies".