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06-22-2009, 02:34 AM
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I want to build my own computer. I have a hand-me-down Dell Dimension 4300 Desktop that I am looking to replace. I want to replace the monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse as well. My operating system would be Vista, only because that is the next OS after XP. (Right/Wrong?) As far as a reference for the build, I have what I printed off of the Dell build website...specifically the Studio Desktop which is as follows. (I'm not planning on using this for gaming. I will be using it for surfing the web, photo editing, and for multimedia playback. I would like to hook up some decent speakers so I can stream Podcasts and play other music I upload. Getting High Def DVD/Blueray experience would be nice as well.) Thank you for any suggestions you have. My budget is about 800 dollars.
Specs: Studio Mini-Tower: Intel® Core™ 2 Quad processor Q8200 (4MB L2, 2.33GHz, 1333FSB) Operating System: Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-Bit Productivity Software (Pre-Installed): Microsoft® Works 9 Monitors: Dell S1909WX 19 inch Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor*S1909WX Memory: 6GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4DIMMs*6GB864 Hard Drive: 750GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™*750S Optical Drive: 16X DVD+/-RW Drive*16DVDRW Video Cards: ATI Radeon HD 4350 512MB*AT4350 Sound Card: Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio Keyboard: Dell Consumer Multimedia Keyboard and Laser Mouse Floppy Drive and Media Reader: Integrated 16-in-1 Media Card Reader Mouse: Mouse included with Keyboard purchase Network Card: Integrated 10/1000 Ethernet Speakers: Dell A525 30 Watt 2.1 Stereo Speakers with Subwoofer Security Software: |
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06-22-2009, 03:04 AM
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You didn't list a motherboard. You will definitely need one of those =P.
Also, about getting a blu ray dvd player - In my opinion the blu ray tech is not very developed for the price. They claim to have such a huge space on their discs, which is true, but the drives read the discs so slow that all that extra room is used up and becomes useless. So basically blu ray technology is not worth the price today. A lot of my friends have blu ray's and I've seen how they play. They aren't any different then an HDMI hookup. Windows Vista - I really don't like vista, it takes up a lot of space on your computer. I would recommend to just go with XP for now until windows 7 comes out. You probably have the windows XP discs sitting at home somewhere, they usually come with desktops when you buy them. Also, since you are using this PC for movies etc, I recommend that you get a sound card instead of going with the integrated sound. Sound cards produce a much much higher quality of sound. A good brand is ASUS... Don't buy Creative sound cards! And security, I use avast! security. It's free if you register with them and provide an email address. Last edited by seanth; 06-22-2009 at 03:08 AM. |
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06-22-2009, 03:30 PM
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building a desktop for the house
Seanth....Thanks
What I am trying to do is simply save money by building my own. The parts I have listed are for a dell studio....they don't list motherboard. I want to build something like it for less money. Any starting suggestions would be helpful. I am going to check out the spyware/anti virus you have listed and I looked at the OEM software and will consider your recommendation for Windows 7. Thanks |
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06-22-2009, 03:32 PM
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What is an integrated sound card versus a Stand alone. Why is one better than the other.
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06-22-2009, 04:18 PM
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It's basically the same principle as gfx cards are better than integrated gfx.
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06-22-2009, 09:23 PM
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Thanks Tomtoon for some suggestions. I do have some questions about what I've got listed to this point. The OCZ SXS 500W. What is this exactly. I looked on Newegg but it doesn't come up. I am guessing this is the power supply. Also, it was suggested that I get a separate sound card for my specified purposes. Any suggestions for a sound card? The video card Tomtoon suggested was ATI. The brand I found was HIS (although I guess the chipset is ATI). I noticed several different manufactures--Is one better than the other as far as Video cards go?
ASUS P5Q Turbo LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail Model #:P5Q Turbo $124.99 HIS Hightech H477F512P Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail Model #:H477F512P $119.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80580Q8200 Model #:BX80580Q8200$159.99 CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 $46.99 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM Model #:WD5000AAKS $59.99 ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail Model #:ACFZ7-PRO $36.98 Thanks for all the recommendations so far. |
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06-22-2009, 09:25 PM
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Also, I noticed small differences in the specs for the various motherboards. It seemed some were more versatile with memory modules?
Any recommendations on a case? |
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06-22-2009, 09:34 PM
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The Q8200 is not a good processor in my opinion. I think the Q9xxx series are better or you might consider the AMD Phenom II. That motherboard is a good one. You do not need a CPU cooler, stock coolers work fine and won't void your warranty. As far as video card brands here is a link http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=207566
What about a power supply? That is the most important component in your computer. Cases are a natter if taste.
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06-22-2009, 10:35 PM
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list update
I've updated the list. Thanks again for suggestions.
Are all these components compatible? How about a sound card? Motherboard: ASUS P5Q Turbo LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail Model #:P5Q Turbo $124.99 Video card: HIS Hightech H477F512P Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card Model #:H477F512P $119.99 Power Supply: OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Active PFC Power Supply Model #:OCZ500SXS $59.99 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 810 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX810WFGIBOX Model #:HDX810WFGIBOX $139.00 Memory: CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 Model #:TWIN2X4096-6400C5 $46.99 HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive OEM Model #:WD5000AAKS $59.99 Optical Drive: LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model GH22NP20 Model #:GH22NP20 $23.99 Subtotal: $574.94 |
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06-22-2009, 10:51 PM
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Case:
GIGABYTE Triton 180 Black 0.7mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail Model #:Triton 180 Black $61.99 |
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06-22-2009, 10:53 PM
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Ok, the AMD Phenom II is not going to work with the P5Q that is an Intel motherboard. If you want to go the AMD route you will need an AMD based motherboard like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131368 rest of your Hardware looks real good.
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06-23-2009, 01:26 AM
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there is absolutely nothing wrong with that PSU, but i would recommend a seasonic over an fsp built ocz. here you go
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151040
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06-23-2009, 04:52 AM
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Nicolaus....I'm guessing the Seasonic is somehow better. Or is this a preference?
Thanks for the recommendation. |
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06-23-2009, 05:05 AM
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ok. made some recommended changes.
Motherboard:
ASUS M4A78-E AM2+/AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Model #:M4A78-E $124.99 Video card: HIS Hightech H477F512P Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card Model #:H477F512P $119.99 Power Supply: SeaSonic SS-500ES 500W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - OEM Model #:SS-500ES $65.99 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 810 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX810WFGIBOX Model #:HDX810WFGIBOX $139.00 Memory: CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 Model #:TWIN2X4096-6400C5 $46.99 HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive OEM Model #:WD5000AAKS $59.99 Optical Drive: LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model GH22NP20 Model #:GH22NP20 $23.99 Subtotal: $574.94 Thanks Khalil and Nicolaus I did a little research about the sound card. I see it is already integrated on the motherboard. (I have lots of questions). So why don't they integrated the video card. Graphics more intensive, or something like that I suppose? Any suggestions on speakers and monitor? Thanks again |
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06-23-2009, 05:10 AM
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what does atx format mean. I saw this when looking at cases. I guess its the standard for case design.
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06-23-2009, 11:08 AM
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atx is a case/motherboard standard.
also the seasonic is better than ocz is every aspect. better efficiency, ripple supression, dc output tolerance |
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06-23-2009, 11:43 AM
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1. The HD 4770 was a one-off item, a HD 4850 is a better card and the price has recently come down.
2. Replace that SE16 hard drive with a Caviar Black. 3. Try the onboard sound first. If you don't like it, then add a sound card later. 4. Replace that IDE DVD burner with a SATA. |
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06-23-2009, 03:22 PM
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any suggestions for cd/dvd burner
brand? speed? I know sata |
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06-23-2009, 03:25 PM
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06-23-2009, 03:40 PM
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Newegg is out of stock on the liteon's.
The LG's are IDE, and they don't seem to have any ASUS. I am sure I can get these from another source. Thnks ShadowPR |
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06-23-2009, 03:46 PM
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NewEgg do have Pioneer which are supposedly good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827129034 |
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06-23-2009, 04:06 PM
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Latest Update
Motherboard:
ASUS M4A78-E AM2+/AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Model #:M4A78-E $124.99 Video card: HIS Hightech H485FN512P Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card Model #:H485FN512P $114.99 Power Supply: SeaSonic SS-500ES 500W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - OEM Model #:SS-500ES $65.99 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 810 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX810WFGIBOX Model #:HDX810WFGIBOX $139.00 Memory: CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 Model #:TWIN2X4096-6400C5 $46.99 HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM Model #:WD5001AALS $64.99 Optical Drive: LG Electronics GH22NS30 22X SATA SecurDisc DVD+/-RW Internal Drive (Black), Bulk w/ Software $31.50 (From Amazon.com) Case: GIGABYTE Triton 180 Black 0.7mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail Model #:Triton 180 Black $61.99 Speakers: Bose® Companion® 2 multimedia speaker system - Model #:40274 $99.00 Subtotal: $715.94 Plus 31.50 (for DVD/CD Burner from Amazon) = 747.44 Going to research the LCD monitors. thanks for comments. |
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06-23-2009, 04:10 PM
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Is there anything wrong with Samsung DVD/CD burners. \\
by the way Tomtoon, I checked out the Pioneer. It looks like you pay Xtra for Qflix. I am old school. Still ordering from netflix and such. |
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06-23-2009, 04:14 PM
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Do you need floppy disk drives anymore (The plastic square card thinga-ma-jigger)? I was reading somewhere that it might be helpful for initial software load? Is this true? If so, is this installed on the motherboard already? I do not see anybody listing these as part of a new build? Perhaps silly question....
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06-23-2009, 04:30 PM
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Monitor:
LG W1953T-PF Black 18.5" 2ms(GTG) 16:9 Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail Model #:W1953T-PF $159.99 -$30.00 Instant $129.99 |
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06-23-2009, 04:59 PM
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You need a floppy drive to install Windows XP if you set the SATA controller to AHCI mode. Most people don't bother, and seem to forget that little issue.
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06-23-2009, 05:17 PM
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Thanks GLC. This is a little over my head. I'm really not sure what the SATA controller is let alone AHCI mode. I was reading in another post where Khalil recommended the Beta windows 7. Eventually I will need to put some kind of software on the machine...is there a general guideline to consider when installing software. I do want a windows product primarily and Ubuntu secondary.
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06-23-2009, 06:39 PM
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The guideline is simple you stick the CD in the CD rom and follow the prompts. You can download windows 7 for free and use it till October then you can buy it. Windows 7 is far superior to windows XP.
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06-23-2009, 07:29 PM
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ahci is the "real" or native mode for sata. it requires drivers. sata also has a ide emulation mode which presents itself as a ide controller and hence doesnt require drivers. when the floppy F6 way gives a hissy fit (like recently which compact desktop) i just slipstream the drivers with nLite
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06-23-2009, 09:24 PM
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Thanks all for suggestions and recommendations . I' m going to go with this group of parts . i'll keep posting as i acquire parts and begin putting it together . All comments welcome .... james
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