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06-30-2009, 01:51 AM
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moderate build?
The goal is a complete build, rock solid and stable for under $1000.00 The guy wants to game but cant afford hardcore gamer parts. So he says he wants a rock hard system he can upgrade to a gamer. Here's what I came up with:
CASE: Rosewill R5604 64.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147033 POWER: OCZ Mod Extreme Pro 500 watt 64.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341016 Motherboard: GA-MA790x 109.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128387 CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad core AM2+ 89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103244 RAM: 2 x4gb Mushkin DDR2 1066 68.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146785 Video Card: HIS Radeon 4670 69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161252 HDD: WD Caviar SE 16 640gb 69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136218 DVD: Samsung OEM 22.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151175 OS: XP Home 32 bit 99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511 Mouse and Keyboard: MS Std. Business pack 29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823109035 Speakers: 26.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16836157007 Monitor: 179.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236052 With shipping I'm around $930 buckaroos.  Any and all suggestions are welcome. Nothing is set in stone. |
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06-30-2009, 08:38 AM
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Save money by just stealing your OS. Download the files, burn to dvd- and when you are starting up your PC for first time just have the dvd in the drive.
I would also consider getting that Combo deal that comes with your case. You get 100 more watts of power for only $5. You could also probably find some cheaper ram. like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227298 Also, that AMD is a cheap Quad-core, i guess thats why you are looking at it. I would take all this money i saved you and get a better one, One with more L3 Cache. like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103471 Last edited by Killer01; 06-30-2009 at 08:50 AM. |
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06-30-2009, 08:42 AM
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06-30-2009, 08:44 AM
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I'm not going to steal an OS. $99 is a great price for a stable OS.
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06-30-2009, 11:26 AM
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Swapping up to a WD Caviar Black may be a good idea, the 640GB version is only $5 more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0black%20640gb As I understand, Samsung do not make great opticals, go for a Lite-On, Sony, or LG |
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06-30-2009, 11:29 AM
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Killer01, please read the forum rules, and pay particular attention to rule 9. I'm dead serious, this is a "zero tolerance" issue on these forums.
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06-30-2009, 12:53 PM
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06-30-2009, 01:38 PM
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I can not believe that you made that comment. You need to read rule 7.
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Here's where I'm at so far: CASE: Rosewill R5604 64.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147033 POWER: OCZ Mod Extreme Pro 500 watt 64.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341016 Motherboard: GA-MA790x 109.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128387 CPU: Phenom II x 4 940 189.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103471 RAM: OCZ Platinum 2x 2gb DDR2 1066 45.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227298 Video Card: HIS Radeon 4670 69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161252 HDD: 640g gb WD Caviar Black 74.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0black%20640gb DVD: To be decided. OS: XP Home 32 bit 99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511 Mouse and Keyboard: MS Std. Business pack 29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823109035 Speakers: 26.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16836157007 Monitor: 179.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236052 Without the dvd drive we're at exactly $1000.39 shipping included. I'd end up a little over budget after adding in a dvd drive but I really think the build is well worth it's money. I won't have any problem recommending these parts and prices to him. The price of the processor is what did me in on budget, but well worth it. Last edited by rwest; 06-30-2009 at 10:41 PM. Reason: added current parts list |
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06-30-2009, 09:54 PM
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I would recommend a SATA burner, not IDE.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136167 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289 |
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06-30-2009, 09:57 PM
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Go with the AMD 9650 instead of the 9600, the 9600 is from the older cores that had issues with certian multimedia functions.
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06-30-2009, 10:55 PM
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Thanks Ill use that cpu instead, and should keep me under budget even with the Liteon drive GLC suggested.
What do you guys know of that ASUS board ? i only found one tech review online. i chose it for the possibility of crossfire, and for the onboard lan and sound. |
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06-30-2009, 10:59 PM
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What Asus board? I thought you listed a Gigabyte. Gigabyte makes good motherboards, if they are not faulty when you get them they are as good as an Asus however if you have failure at any point their RMA system is treacherous.
Go with an Asus and enjoy 3 years of headache free support. |
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06-30-2009, 11:06 PM
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Oops it was the Gigabyte. Tthose were the only two brands I looked at. I just had a brain fart.
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07-03-2009, 12:29 PM
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This is the Asus board i was looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131368 i was having trouble keeping the build under a Grand. I chose the Gigabyte board over the ASUS, because he wants to be able to do some gaming until he can afford to upgrade for crossfire. I was concerned about the onboard graphics. Whatdya think about scratching the vid card and using the onboard that this board has? Lastly do you consider ASUS to be any more stable than Gigabyte? |
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07-03-2009, 12:48 PM
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Have him get one good video card now, and plan to upgrade to a different good video card when he can afford it. Onboard video cannot do games at all. Crossfire isn't an economical upgrade path; by the time you're ready for a second card, a single next-gen card will out perform 2 older ones in crossfire.
I've had nothing but good experiences with Asus...gigabyte is usually ok, but ASUS beats them pretty handily in customer support.
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07-03-2009, 01:38 PM
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I personally am not a gamer, I didn't know that. So what you're saying is: if you can't afford dual card set up when buying initial components crossfire or SLI is not really a viable option? I was trying to build an upgradeable gaming unit with the option to go crossfire. I thougth dual vid cards was where all the gamers are going.
So which Asus board is currently prefered? Needs on board sound and 10/100/1000 lan. |
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07-03-2009, 01:41 PM
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You don't need Crossfire. Crossfire and SLI are for hardcore expert competitive power gamers, both systems require a lot of knowledge with constant maintenance and tweeking to run without problems.
I can run any system I want and I choose a single card. One card is the way to go! That Asus board you are looking at is excellent and will serve you well. |
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07-03-2009, 01:50 PM
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Crossfire/SLI only makes sense if you have the money and one top of the line card isn't enough power for you. You can get two. If you're looking at anything but the absolute best, there are much simpler (and cheaper) ways to get good performance. Also, most gamers don't have absolutely top of the line components, so games run fine on stuff slightly below the bleeding edge.
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07-03-2009, 02:02 PM
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The GTX295 will not show any improvement over the GTX275 on a 24" or smaller monitor playing single instances, go bigger and you need more power. One of my customers wanted me to build him a gaming machine that will play Crysis and expansions on an LG 30" monitor, he prefers Nvidia, I put in a GTX285, he has outstanding performance at 2560X1600 resolution. That is what the bigger cards are made for.
If you are playing on a 24 LCD an ATi 4890 or a GTX275 is all you will need. Last edited by Khalil; 07-03-2009 at 02:05 PM. |
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07-03-2009, 03:51 PM
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07-04-2009, 12:47 AM
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That was alot of great feed back!! Now I understand about a dual card set up.
I was comparing this particular Asus board because it had full support of DDR2 1066 and it has the latest advanced gpu onboard. Asus Onboard video: ATI Radeon HD3300 512mb shared memory 64mb side port. vs. Video Card: HIS Radeon 4670 69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161252 I chose this card to go with the Gigabyte board because it seemed to be a good bang for buck item and fell within the budget. GA-MA790x 109.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128387 The Gigabyte board is fully loaded with extra's and is an excellent price for what you get. The ratings are a plus also, but I could only find one tech rating online. And it said the board was not bad but one should wait for the gx or fx version of the chip. Last case scenario would be go with a little less of an Asus board, and still use the HIS card or something similiar. But a lesser Asus board does not fully support DDR2 1066, whereas the Gigabyte does. But the Gigabyte board only has an HT of 2000 and the Asus boards run at 2600 HT. Another point is that my friend says he's probably gonna be able to upgjrade the video in about 6 months. A newer OS, more memory and processor to follow. The initial goal is to have an excellent ground system to upgrade into a gamer. So I guess my question here is: How would the onboard of the Asus stand up against the Radeon 4670 as starting graphics? Because if we go with the Asus, I don't think there's room in the budget for a decent card. Last edited by rwest; 07-04-2009 at 01:10 AM. |
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07-04-2009, 01:00 AM
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Start with good onboard video instead of buying a card now just to pull it in 6 months.
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07-04-2009, 01:26 AM
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Didn't expect to see you online this late. That's twice now, is it me or you?
I always seem to catch you in the AM.Thanx GLC, that's really what I wanted to hear, honestly that was my biggest concern, I use onboard and it's fine for me. But like I said earlier, I'm not a gamer. I'll get the final list together and post it soon. As always, I'm a slow typer.
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I guess it is ok for people to talk about stealing software. |
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No, it is NOT okay, but don't you believe that someone deserves a warning for a first offense?
Now - I'm going to warn YOU AGAIN - read rule 7. I COULD ban you for this last comment but I'm giving you one more chance. Quote:
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i really hate to give advise with all the power users around here but this time i really cant help my self : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102824 dude whats so budget about that ? only 30 dollars more and you get a fairly great gaming card that will play any game for long time to come
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10-27-2009, 11:54 PM
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Okay this is the system I put together for Dustin back in July:
CASE: Rosewill R5604 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147033 POWER: OCZ Mod Extreme Pro 500 watt http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341016 Motherboard: ASUS M4A78-E http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131368 CPU: Phenom II x 4 940 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103471 RAM: OCZ Platinum 2x 2gb DDR2 1066 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227298 HDD: 640g gb WD Caviar Black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0black%20640gb DVD: LITE-ON Black SATA DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289 OS: XP Home 32 bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511 Mouse and Keyboard: MS Std. Business pack http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823109035 Speakers:LOGISYS Hollywood II http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16836157007 Monitor: ASUS VH242H HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236052 Video Card: to be added now He's got about 400.00 - $450.00 to spend. He's asking me about Win 7 for gaming. I have no clue. Should I tell him to spend it all on the card or upgrade to 7 and wait on the card? Or do both 7 and a card? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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For $400-$450, it's easily possible to get both Windows 7 and a great gaming card; Windows 7 (Home Premium, x86 and x64) is about $110 for OEM, so that leaves between $290 and $340. For a less expensive card, the HD4890 is a great performing card, and for a more expensive but faster (and somewhat harder to find) card, the HD5850 is great.
HD4890: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161298 HD5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121349
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