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Gaming Computer - Compatible/Worth it?
I am going to build a computer (duh! :P) and I am going to use it for gaming (CS:S, CoD:MW2, Crysis etc.), movie editing and heavy duty rendering in After Effects.
I plan to install Windows 7 on it and use either Adobe CS3 or CS4 on it. I want it to be quiet, and efficient, but not suck to much power out of the wall :P. Here is a concrete list of what I want to do with it. OS: Windows 7 Games: Counter Strike: Source, Call of Duty:Modern Warfare 2, Crysis etc. Programs: Adobe After Effects (CS3/4) Uses: Movie editing, rendering, gaming, school work Here are the parts that I think I might use (this is the first "draft") Asus motherboard P7P55D P55 LGA1156 core i5 i7 DDR3 (MOTHERBOARD) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...156-core-i5-i7 Intel CPU Core i7 860 2.80GHz LGA1156 (PROCESSOR) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...GA1156--3-Year Corsair memory DDR3 1333MHz 8GB kit of 4x240pin DIMMs Unbuffered 7-7-7-20 DOMINATOR with DHX+ and Airflow Fan AMD Phenom II Dual Channel (MEMORY/RAM) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...it-of-4x240pin Seagate 1TB hard disk drive 1000GB Barracuda SATA II 300 32MB cache 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive (HARDDRIVE) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...Barracuda-SATA Asus 9800GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E DVI HDTV (VIDEO CARD) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...DTV-Out-Retail EDIT: Scratch the above, I will only keep it to show progress. Here is the new video card. Asus HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 x16 Display Port 2x DVI HDMI GPU 725MHz Retail (VIDEO CARD) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...6-Display-Port Corsair DOMINATOR Airflow 2 Fan Supports up to 6 Memory Modules in a Motherboard Array (COOLING FOR MEMORY) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...pports-up-to-6 I haven't quit chosen between two casings. The one has a PSU the other does not. MD K41 Black midi case +500W (CASING w/PSU) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...idi-case--500W or NZXT Lexa S Black Midi Tower NO PSU LEXS-001BK (CASING w/o PSU) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...PSU-LEXS-001BK ThermalTake PSU TR2 500W Black Silent + ATX 12V 2.0 PSU 20pin +4pin SATA ready (PSU) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/11879 EDIT: Scratch the above, I will only keep it to show progress. Here is the new PSU. Corsair PSU 650W CMPSU-650TX ATX12V v2.2 5 year manufacturer's warranty http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...V-v2-2--5-year Total Price = 803 £ 7.100 Kr Prices may vary since things are being changed now and then.1.221 $ So, what is good? What is bad? What can be changed? What should be changed? Any advise? My budget is at about 1.400 $ but I would be more than happy to save some money  And last but not least WILL THIS WORK? Thank you for your help PS: I already have a keyboard, mouse, headset (don't want speakers) and a HD screen. PSS: If there are any questions, feel free to ask and I will answer asap and to my full capability (as well as possible). Last edited by Anomo; 03-13-2010 at 12:29 AM. Reason: New video card and PSU |
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You going to spend all that money on a great CPU but a weak video card?
That is not how it works with Gaming rigs, most important parts in a Gaming Rig are the Video Card and Power Supply. You don't need an i7 to game, unless you can raise your budget to afford a better video card. I recommend the i3-530 or the i5-750 at most, drop the memory to 4GB you will never use more while gaming and get an Asus 5850 or Sapphire 5870* if you can afford it. That Thermaltake is a not good enough for the task either here is what you want http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...V-v2-2--5-year * I am recommending Sapphire because in the UK they have direct consumer support which is not available in the USA and Canada!
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Khalil, it looks like this is more than just a gamer -
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Thank you for your feedback. As glc said it is not just for gaming, but I will try to upgrade the videocard
I also do heavy duty rendering that uses incredible amounts of ram and just previewing that kind of things creats major lag if there is a to weak processor and to little ram 
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glc, still that i5-750 is a very powerful CPU and will meet and exceed all the OPs applications, those i-7 are way over kill unless you have money to burn.
The 9800GT is a really crappy gaming video card, it was as such when it was new but now it is even worse because it is obsolete. An ATI 5750 would smoke it and that is a low range card. Anomo, what rendering software are you going to use that uses 8GB of memory on a 64 bit platform? |
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And I have changed the video card now. I had 3 options, and here is another one I chose. The reason I didn't choose it at first was because it is DDR5 and I don't think it is compatible, now to the experts And I don't live in the UK, USA or Canada. Don't think of direct customer support. I only use microdirect.co.uk because they have a great system for showing the specs of their parts. Last edited by Anomo; 03-12-2010 at 11:52 PM. |
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The decision is yours and it is your money after all. I am not trying to knock the I7 860 on the 1156 platform it is simply great but for the money I think the i5-750 will work extremely well for you.
If you are going to use software that will work with 64 bit then go for the 8GB Ram, it can't hurt and it may come in handy, if the software is only compatible with 32 bit OS then it is a waste of money because 32 bit OS will only utilize 3.2GB of memory tops. |
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ok, you said the video card was crappy. Is the one that I put in now good enough? or even compatible?
Asus HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 x16 Display Port 2x DVI HDMI GPU 725MHz Retail http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...6-Display-Port |
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The Asus ATI 5850 is an awesome video card.
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ok, we found an awesome video card
does the fact that it is a DDR5 card have any effect on the compatability of the mobo and processor? the mobo is only ddr3. Would that cause problems?There are also two casings in the thread. The top one is awesom, but the bottom one is epic :P which one would you recommend? Is there any big difference exept the top has 1x fans in the front and 2x in the back, while the bottom case has 1x front, 2x top, 1x side and 1x back? Anyone else that would care to give some feedback to a noob within the hardware section of a computer? :P Last edited by Anomo; 03-13-2010 at 08:55 AM. |
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Ok, I think I have found the final casing that i want. It is a;
Antec case Nine Hundred Two Gaming case NO PSU ATX http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ng-case-NO-PSU Would my stuff fit in it? If so, I will not get any of the casings shown in the description. I also want to have two harddrives, not one. Seagate 1TB hard disk drive 1000GB Barracuda SATA II 300 32MB cache 7200rpm Hard Disk Drive (1TB) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...Barracuda-SATA and the Seagate 750GB hard disk drive SATA II 300 7200rpm oem (750 GB) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...II-300-7200rpm |
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http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Caviar-1000GB
Maybe 2 of these? there was no 750GB Western digital option. But typically Western Digital is more reliable, or at least recommended here more often than a Samsung drive.
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That Antec 902 is an excellent case, and it has all kinds of room for anything you want to put in it. That, with the Corsair power supply, would be an excellent choice.
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i might go for a 500 GB western digital
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ve-Caviar-SE16 and a 1TB WD http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...TB-Green-Power but what is the difference between caviar and normal? And one other thing about memory/ram. Is it better to have many sticks with little ram on each (2-2-2-2) Or few sticks with lots of ram (4-4) |
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I just noticed that the memory is AMD. Does that matter? Will it work with the intel processor?
Due to this I have found another set of ram. Corsair memory DDR3 1333MHz 8GB kit of 4x240pin DIMM Unbuffered 9-9-9-24 XMS3 with Classic Heat Spreader - Core i7 i5 and Core 2 http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...it-of-4x240pin Last edited by Anomo; 03-14-2010 at 07:54 AM. |
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AMD gaming computer - Compatible/Worth it?
Well, its me again. This time I have set up an AMD system. Wondering if it is worth it. The reason that I have set up two builds is because I have found one Intel and one AMD processor, and I don't know which one I should choose.
OS: Windows 7 Games: Counter Strike: Source, Call of Duty:Modern Warfare 2, Crysis etc. Programs: Adobe After Effects (CS3/4) ++ Uses: Movie editing, rendering, gaming, school work Gigabyte motherboard GA-790FXTA-UD5 AMD AM3 DDR3 ATX (Motherboard) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...5-AMD-AM3-DDR3 AMD CPU AM3 Phenom II x4 965 Quad Core Retail Box inc Fan (Processor) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ore-Retail-Box Corsair memory DDR3 1333MHz 8GB kit of 4x240pin DIMMs Unbuffered 7-7-7-20 DOMINATOR with DHX+ and Airflow Fan AMD Phenom II Dual Channel (RAM) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...it-of-4x240pin Western Digital 500GB hard disk drive Caviar SE16 SATA II 300 7200rpm 16MB (Harddrive) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ve-Caviar-SE16 Asus HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 x16 Display Port 2x DVI HDMI GPU 725MHz Retail (Video Card) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...6-Display-Port Sony 24x Int DVDRW SATA Black L/S OEM (Optical Drive) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Black-L-S-OEM Corsair PSU 650W CMPSU-650TX ATX12V v2.2 5 year manufacturer's warranty (PSU) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...V-v2-2--5-year Antec case Nine Hundred Two Gaming case NO PSU ATX (Case) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ng-case-NO-PSU The price is: 971 £ 8.600 Kr Thank you very much if you can help me, and if not...Well you did your best :P1.475 $ Later when this list is updated as well as possible, I will create a poll and hope you can choose one or the other (Intel or AMD build) and give a good reasoning So, what is good? What is bad? What can be changed? What should be changed? Any advise? My budget is at about 1.400 $ but I would be more than happy to save some money And last but not least WILL THIS WORK? PS: I already have a keyboard, mouse, headset (don't want speakers) and a HD screen. PSS: If there are any questions, feel free to ask and I will answer asap and to my full capability (as well as possible). |
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Threads merged and renamed. Whether you get Intel or AMD, the standard XMS3 ram is fine for either. The only things that need to be different between the AMD and Intel build are the motherboard and CPU.
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Here is a WD black:
Western Digital 1TB hard disk drive Caviar 1000GB SATA Black 3Gb/s 7200rpm http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Caviar-1000GB So you say that the XMS3 is compatible with both the Intel and the AMD. What I am wondering about is if the dominator is compatible with both the Intel and the AMD. And is it best to have 4 smaller ram sticks (2-2-2-2) than few big ones (3-3-3 or 4-4) or does it not matter? Corsair memory DDR3 1333MHz 8GB kit of 4x240pin DIMMs Unbuffered 7-7-7-20 DOMINATOR with DHX+ and Airflow Fan AMD Phenom II Dual Channel http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...it-of-4x240pin |
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The Dominator is not worth the price premium, just buy the standard XMS3 kits. The largest affordable DDR3 modules are 2gb.
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Intel Gaming - Last build?
Updated build for the Intel gaming PC.
Asus motherboard P7P55D P55 LGA1156 core i5 i7 DDR3 (MOTHERBOARD) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...156-core-i5-i7 Intel CPU Core i7 860 2.80GHz LGA1156 (PROCESSOR) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...GA1156--3-Year Corsair memory DDR3 1333MHz 8GB kit of 4x240pin DIMM Unbuffered 9-9-9-24 XMS3 with Classic Heat Spreader - Core i7 i5 and Core 2 (Memory/RAM) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...it-of-4x240pin Asus HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 x16 Display Port 2x DVI HDMI GPU 725MHz Retail (VIDEO CARD) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...6-Display-Port Western Digital 1TB hard disk drive Caviar 1000GB SATA Black 3Gb/s 7200rpm (Harddrive) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Caviar-1000GB Sony 24x Int DVDRW SATA Black L/S OEM (Optical Drive) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Black-L-S-OEM Corsair PSU 650W CMPSU-650TX ATX12V v2.2 5 year manufacturer's warranty (PSU) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...V-v2-2--5-year Antec case Nine Hundred Two Gaming case NO PSU ATX (Case) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ng-case-NO-PSU Last edited by Anomo; 03-15-2010 at 12:58 PM. |
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AMD gaming - Last build?
Updated build for the AMD gaming PC.
Gigabyte motherboard GA-790FXTA-UD5 AMD AM3 DDR3 ATX (Motherboard) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...5-AMD-AM3-DDR3 AMD CPU AM3 Phenom II x4 965 Quad Core Retail Box inc Fan (Processor) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ore-Retail-Box Corsair memory DDR3 1333MHz 8GB kit of 4x240pin DIMM Unbuffered 9-9-9-24 XMS3 with Classic Heat Spreader - Core i7 i5 and Core 2 (Memory/RAM) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...it-of-4x240pin Asus HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 x16 Display Port 2x DVI HDMI GPU 725MHz Retail (Video Card) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...6-Display-Port Western Digital 1TB hard disk drive Caviar 1000GB SATA Black 3Gb/s 7200rpm (Harddrive) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Caviar-1000GB Sony 24x Int DVDRW SATA Black L/S OEM (Optical Drive) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...-Black-L-S-OEM Corsair PSU 650W CMPSU-650TX ATX12V v2.2 5 year manufacturer's warranty (PSU) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...V-v2-2--5-year Antec case Nine Hundred Two Gaming case NO PSU ATX (Case) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Pr...ng-case-NO-PSU Last edited by Anomo; 03-15-2010 at 12:59 PM. |
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As you see, I have updated both the Intel and the AMD list. Please take a look at them, then vote. Please also explain why you voted for what you did.
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The memory coolers are a waste. High quality cases have plenty of cooling.
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I am not sure this Poll is a good idea, we don't want another Intel vs. AMD war, I think it should be removed.
To the OP Both AMD and Intel are great processors, Intel are more expensive but you get faster processing power with some applications however some believe that AMD offers sufficient processing power. There are people who are brand loyal and will only buy one or the other. You need to make the choice according to your budget, if you can afford an Intel rig then go for it, if you feel AMD is offering you a better value then go for AMD, both will get the job done for you exceptionally well! |
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Khalil prefers AMD, I prefer Intel - and I totally agree with his last post. I'll leave the poll up unless a war erupts.
However, I will say this - if you are trying to directly compare a 965 AMD with an Intel processor, a more fair comparison from both a performance and price standpoint would be with an i5-750 quad core. The i7 has something the AMD doesn't - hyperthreading on each core. Is this worth the extra expense? Only you can make that decision. For gaming, it won't matter one bit. For certain software and heavy multitasking, it may help. EDIT: For strictly gaming, a dual core processor is a better value. When you compare duals to quads in the same price bracket, the duals have higher clock speeds. The Intel i5-670 is the fastest dual core processor on the market and will easily outgame an i7-860. I don't have the data to compare that with anything from AMD. However, with the other uses you are building this computer for, a quad makes a lot more sense. Last edited by glc; 03-15-2010 at 12:17 PM. |
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Final choise? Most likley
Ok, if you think that the poll will result in a flaming war, do remove it. I did not know it would create such problems :P
Due to the prices, the budget wont be a problem. They both go a bit over the 1400 $ budget, but if they work well (I expect they do), it will be a well invested project. Since the hardware that I have chosen is fairly new, I don't expect to be upgrading anything for a while (maybe the video card in a some years, but the ram, cpu and mobo will stay there a while) and therefore think it will be a good choice and worth the extra money. So far I am leaning towards the Intel build, and unless anyone comes with some facts that I haven't heard of so far that would change my mind towards the AMD I will go for it. That is mainly because of the hyper threading and the larger possibility for multitasking. Thank you all for your help, you have really made a difference. Without you I would have bought a crappy computer built by a crappy company for a lot of money. Last edited by Anomo; 03-15-2010 at 01:11 PM. |
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glc, AMD has nothing on the market currently that can match the benchmarks of the i7-860, there are things in the works that will be as powerful when the bulldozer platform is out but who knows when that will happen.
The bottom line is AMD sells everything they make, they might be slightly behind Intel in speed but they have yet to suffer in selling what they make, they have a huge following and loyal customer base. You are correct the AMD 965 is comparable to the i5-750 in some applications here is a good article comparing the 2 CPUs http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...65,2389-2.html |
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The poll has not caused any problems, people are respecting others in this thread and simply posting facts. I have no reason to remove it.
Opinion from an Intel guy? If you go with the AMD, I'd take an Asus motherboard over a Gigabyte. Just my opinion - they are both quality manufacturers but I'm more comfortable with Asus. |
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