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05-22-2010, 12:12 PM
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Build questions (PSU, GPU)
So building my first ever computer and since I am not very tech savvy I thought it would be best to get the opinions of the people on this board. I'll be using this computer for video editing with CS5 when it comes out and I want to be ready. Maybe some gaming but editing, 3d graphics and normal everyday tasks would probably be the most important. I'd like this build to be around $1000-$1500 Canadian but I'm pretty open to options.
I also got a couple pretty noobish questions. I've heard that getting a really good video card is better than having really good RAM and Ghz, is that at all true? Would a water cooling system be good for a computer even if you don't intend on overclocking it or is it just overkill? Anyways onto the build... I already have a monitor, mouse, keyboard and headset so don't need those. Right now I'm looking to get this bare bones kit. Intel DX58SO Ultra Barebones Kit - Intel DX58SO LGA 1366 Mobo, Intel Core i7 920 CPU, OCZ 6GB DDR3 RAM, Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Internal HD, NZXT Tempest ATX Mid-Tower Case, Ultra LSP750 750W PSU http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...0&sku=B69-1177 $949.97 Is the OCZ a good brand of RAM? Would it be alright to mix brands like say another set of G.Skill RAM, or should I stick to one brand? Besides that I'm also looking at getting a Radeon HD 5850 Video Card - 1GB http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...?EdpNo=5766668 $299.97 Would the 750 PSU be enough power for that video card? Also need a decent sound card so I was looking at this. Diamond Xtreme Sound 5.1/16 bit Sound Card http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...?EdpNo=2177471 $26.99 Including a $109.97 64 bit Windows 7 OS and the total comes to $1386.90. I know there are some good computer builders on this site so is that a decent price for the overall package? I'm open to anything so if you can make a better computer build for $1000-$1500 then I am all ears. I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck without overdoing it lol. I know i must be forgetting to mention some things so please correct me or tell me anything I should mention. |
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05-22-2010, 01:19 PM
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We do not recommend Socket 1366 builds here, they are just too fussy. We recommend a Socket 1156 using an Asus P55 board. We do not recommend OCZ ram. We do not recommend Ultra power supplies. We do not recommend Hitachi hard drives. A Radeon 5850 is way overkill for that use, that's a gaming card. Onboard sound is plenty good enough for 90% of the builds these days.
We also recommend NCIX and Newegg.ca over Tiger Direct. |
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05-22-2010, 01:26 PM
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That OEM video card is made by XFX and it is a recycled failure, I would not touch it with a 50' Poll.
Stick to Diamond, Asus or HIS when it comes to brands for ATI video cards.
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05-22-2010, 02:41 PM
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So based on what these kind gentlemen have taught me over the past couple months, this is what I would build.
Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-024-_-Product ASUS P7H55-M PRO LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131623 Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-214-_-Product ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135204 G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231180 Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136283 ASUS EAH5750 FORMULA/2DI/1GD5/A Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121356 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-752-_-Product Total with shipping is $980.29. Would that be about $1100 Canadian? You might be able to shave a bit of cost on the video card. |
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05-22-2010, 03:13 PM
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Dave in Houston...I would make a couple changes to your list...no offense.
 Get Win7 64 bit instead. Problems with a 64 bit OS's are pretty much a thing of the past now that we have Win7. You want to be able to utilize all your RAM as well. For the graphics card you selected, Asus product support has issued a warning about this graphics card connectivity problems. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121356 Get this board instead... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-400-_-Product It has a P55 chipset (not an H55), has native support for 1600 memory (no overclocking it) and has better graphics card bandwidth for a second card if you ever want to go that route. The 500 watt PSU that comes with the case may be barely squeaking by depending on which graphics card you choose. I would buy the PSU separate from the case here and go with an Antec 600 watt PSU at the least. My preference would be a 650 watt Corsair because of their 5 year warranty plus it gives you a greater margin with your power.
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05-22-2010, 04:18 PM
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Thanks for the quick responses, I knew I could count on you guys.
I always thought Tigerdirect was alright, used it only twice though. I'll give newegg a shot. Going by what you guys recommended, I'll stick to other brands I've seen other people use on this site and thanks for the heads up on the crappy ones. Oh and I sort of don't want to buy another computer again in 5 or so years so I'd like to make this partly future proof or as much as possible without going over the price limit. I know that's pretty impossible but I'll try. I wouldn't mind some games so I'd like a decent graphic card to go with it. I don't mind spending a little extra to make sure it lasts me. I'll search newegg and post a build shortly but here's another random question for you guys while I search. Which i7 processor would you guys recommend, i7 860 or i7 920? I saw they're the same price at newegg. |
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05-22-2010, 04:25 PM
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For Video and Sound editing I prefer better quality electronics in the power supply, bronze and silver certified power supplies are more suitable for this sort of PC. Here are the specs on the one I have been using for Video Editing rigs with single CPU http://www.seasonic.com/pdf/datashee...I%20Bronze.pdf you can buy it here http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817151095 For a Video card http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...pk=Asus%205830 or http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...Diamond%205830 |
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05-22-2010, 04:30 PM
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In five years, only Nostradamus would know what kind of technology we will be dealing with. Forget tying to future proof beyond about a year or two. Just buy what is out there now, not what is supposedly coming around the corner in a few months. You will be waiting forever if you do that. Also, the newest cutting edge stuff is always the most expensive and always ends up depreciating real fast. Last edited by David M; 05-22-2010 at 04:38 PM. |
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05-22-2010, 04:38 PM
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Normally though if you do build top notch systems like the one we are all recommending here David, it should give him longevity compared to say buying a Dell or a Compaq.
After all we are talking about a very powerful quad core that no software on the market can fully tap yet, I mean even processors like Q9550 and Phenom II 945s are still owning! But you are right, 5 years is a long time for the computer industry. |
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05-22-2010, 04:40 PM
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Excellent point Khalil...I agree.
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05-22-2010, 05:08 PM
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Regarding the graphics card, are you saying it will work OK with the P55 chipset, but not H55? |
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05-22-2010, 05:17 PM
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The 5 years might have been a stretch but as you can probably tell I don't buy computers or computer parts too often.
I just got to say custom building may be time consuming but I find it really fun to try and mix and match everything together. Anyways here's a new build. COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811119160 $149.99 Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16822136319 $69.99 SAPPHIRE 100297L Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ ATI Eyefinity Technology http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814102878 $234.99 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817139006 $112.99 ASUS P7P55 WS SuperComputer with NF200 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813131594 $209.99 G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820231225 $176.99 Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819115214 $304.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $108.99 Comes to $1368.92 Canadian which I'm fine with. Any glaring errors I've made? Is 750W enough for this setup? I also added a sound card before so I could use my headset which has 5.1 DD audio. Not a big deal if I don't use it. |
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05-22-2010, 05:28 PM
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I believe the 1156 motherboards take dual channel memory, so you should be looking at sets that come with two sticks, or two such sticks if you want 8 gig. (I'm sure, as before, that someone will chime in if I'm misinformed.)
It's best to check the qualified vendor list before ordering. |
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05-22-2010, 05:49 PM
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Oh I feel stupid, just checked the Motherboard and your right it's dual channel.
I think these will be alright. G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820231180 $112.49 Nothing is ordered yet but I'm planning ahead and I appreciate the feed back everyone has given me so far. |
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05-22-2010, 07:11 PM
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I still think you would be better off getting the Seasonic Bronze power supply over the Corsair. Corsair are made by Seasonic.
GSKILL is good ram but as far as I know they do not test their ram before they ship so it is a crap shoot on a video editor. I recommend you go with Kingston or Crucial to be on the safe side as all their memory is pretested before it ships. Sapphire Does not offer direct customer support, this means after the first 30 days Newegg won't help you and Sapphire will keep sending you back to Newegg for support, you will be on your own if the card fails. Stick to Asus, Diamond or HIS when it comes to ATI cards. Sapphire makes Diamond and they are the same cards but with Diamond you get the consumer support. Any reason why you chose that motherboard? Do you plan on adding more hard drives? That 640GB is mighty small for a video editing rig. |
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05-22-2010, 07:30 PM
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More stuff I didn't know. :P
Oh and no reason at all for the motherboard, just need one that goes with an i7 and thought it looked decent. Sort of shooting in the dark and waiting for corrections from you guys. Best way I learn is trial and error lol. Your right on the hard drive space. I thought I put the 1TB one but put the lower one by accident. Wanted to post this one. Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16822136284 As for the Video card. ASUS EAH5830 DIRECTCU/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814121367 $265.49 To my untrained eye, it looks like the same card but not Sapphire. Is there any reason why it's around $20 more? Just better quality? I know only the basics for the motherboards so I'd like to hear other opinions on which I should get to go with a i7 860. |
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05-22-2010, 07:33 PM
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That is a great motherboard and an excellent choice for what you want to do with it. I was not against it just wondered what features you liked about it.
Cool about the drive, that will be a good start. I am running 8 x 1.5TB drives in my video editing rig and I am almost out of room. As you get into it, it is very addictive and fun and you will need a lot of space, the good news is that case you chose fits a lot of hard drives. |
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05-22-2010, 08:09 PM
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I probably won't be hitting 8 hard drives anytime soon lol. That's quite impressive!
I checked out seasonic and have only read good reviews on it. Sounds like it's worth the extra money to spend on it. 750W would be enough for this type of setup? Just noticed you answered my question almost at the top of the thread... Last edited by LineOfFire; 05-22-2010 at 09:24 PM. |
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