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06-26-2010, 02:14 PM
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My first build
First of all, excuse me for any grammer faults or misspelled words.
Im from Belgium and my English is fine, not great. I'm almost 15 years old and me and my parents are buying a new desktop this year. I'm trying to convince them that I better can build a pc then buying one. So I started researching for CPUs, VGAs, coolers, cases, etc. I already knew how it all works but I just had to update my knowledge. So here is my build: Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D Why? Because it's massive, I want a lot of room for upgrades. And it has a great cable management system. PSU: Corsair HX1000W Probably more than I need but in that case, i will last a pretty long while. RAM: Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module in combination with: RAM cooling: CMXAF2 GTL - Corsair Airflow 2 GTL cooling fan assembly CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-920 Processor Because i have the H50 I gonna try to overclock this a bit. Thats why i picked the cheapest. CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H50 One of the cheapest liquid cooling systems i found and it has a lot of good reviews. Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTS 250 HDMI I want at least 1Gb of memory. Replacement VGA Cooler: Thermalright HR-03 GT Why? Because it works and it looks awesome and it fits in my case. VGA Cooler Fan: Enermax T.B. Silence 9cm Why? Because my other fans are from Enermax to. And I wanted something black and grey. ODD: Samsung Blu-ray Combo SH-B083L Fan Controller: Scythe Kaze Master Pro 5.25" Why? It can controll 6 fans and measures 6 Temps and it fits my color scheme. Extra Fans: Enermax Apollish Fan 120mm Blue Were do you gonna put these? Wel in my case there's room for 3 120mm fans at the top  HDD: Samsung HD503HI 500Gb This HDD is just for programfiles and Windows itself cause all docs, pics, etc. will be stored on an external 2Tb HDD. Card Reader: AFT PR0-55U Ultra Hi-speed USB 2.0 Reader Writer Good ones are so rare these days  As you can see, there's no motherboard. I'm open for suggestions cause i cant figure this one out. What do you guys think of it?  
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06-26-2010, 03:23 PM
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Power supply is over kill (you don't need that much power) 650W is all you need. The GTS250 video card is obsolete, it is not a good gaming card at all in my opinion. The i7 is not the platform for a 15 year old first time builder, it is buggy and designed for experienced builders.
I recommend you go with an i5 system with the LGA1156 platform, preferably an Asus motherboard. Don't mess around with the VGA cooling, stick to standard, even advanced users struggle with video card after market cooling replacements. Samsung makes bad hard drives and optical drives, for optical drives stick to LG, Sony, Asus or Lite-on. For hard drive Western Digital Black is what you need. Do not replace the stock Intel CPU fan, that is a waste of money and will void your warranty. Other than that, welcome to pcmech forums!
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06-26-2010, 03:52 PM
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I'll downgrade the PSU to the 750W version, your right about that. Waste of money anyway. But the i7 stays with his H50. And the Thermalright cooler stays to, i'll just ask somelse with more exp to do it for me. Could you be a bit more specific about the Asus Motherboard pls? I knew WD is good so i might change the hdd to the Black and I really like sony, but never saw it in a computer. |
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06-26-2010, 06:22 PM
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so I assume this is for gaming.
The i7 920 with HT is not going to help in games vs an i5 750. If system stability is a factor to you at all, then you should heed the advice of Khalil (who is a professional system builder). He has built around 300 systems with the 1366 chipset, and only 10 have been trouble free. That is why he advises an LGA 1156 P55 build. So not only do you plan to build on a known unstable platform but you also plan to overclock too? Optimum for in game performance is to get a fast dual core, 4 Gb RAM, and as much video card as you can afford. The Radeon HD 5870 being the choice for serious gamers.
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06-27-2010, 01:19 AM
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Thx your the advice guys, keep it comming
I forgot to mention that i have a dual monitor setup. |
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06-27-2010, 03:47 AM
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second attempt:
Chassis: Corsair Obsidian 800D PSU: Corsair HX650W Modular Power Supply CPU: Intel i7-920 CPU Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H50 CPU Cooler Grafische Kaart: Asus ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 graphics VGA Cooler: Thermalright HR-03 VGA Cooler: Thermalright VRM-R4 VGA Cooler fan: Enermax T.B. Silence 9cm VGA Cooler fan: Enermax T.B. Silence 8cm RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module 6Gb RAM Cooling: Corsair CMXAF2 ODD: Samsung Blu-ray Combo SH-B083L Fan controller: Kaze Master Pro 5.25" Bay Fan Controller Extra cooling: Enermax Apollish Fan Blue (x3) HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black Moederbord: Asus P6T Cardreader: AFT PR0-55U Ultra Hi-speed USB 2.0 Writer I need the extra VGA cooling because i have dual monitors and my current one peaks at 75C Last edited by brammeke11; 06-27-2010 at 04:45 AM. |
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06-27-2010, 11:03 AM
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so you're sticking with the i7 920 1366 build then.
Good luck. Hope you don't have to come back here asking for advice when your system isn't working. |
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06-27-2010, 12:03 PM
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06-27-2010, 12:41 PM
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Video cards generally run hotter that CPUs. 75c for a video card is not that hot. Dual monitors shouldn't increase the load on a video card that much unless you game with two monitors.
The chipset that is used with the i7 CPU is what is unstable. Unless you know what adjustments need to be done in the BIOS for the ram and CPU, you will probably damage parts or the PC will be unsable to the point of having a several thousand Euro footstool.
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06-27-2010, 12:59 PM
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The physical build is no different, but you may have memory compatibility problems that require tweaking - timings and voltages.
If you plan on overclocking then don't plan on using this as an everyday reliable PC, unless you're an expert with tuning memory voltages and timings. Do you plan on using any apps that can utilize multiple cores and HT? If not, what's the point? Look at this article re: performance comparison http://www.overclockers.com/core-i7-...-1156-vs-1366/ The key for a gaming PC is the video card. If you were an extreme gamer, you'd be looking at a multiple GPU setup, for ultimate performance, but who honestly needs more than a single HD 5870? I run 3 monitors (19"-24" Widescreen-19") with day to day work (remote administration of servers, spreadsheets, web browsing, watching streaming movies) and game on the 24" and my gaming is certainly not inhibited by my hardware. I could throw a bunch more money at the system and not notice any difference in the gaming experience. e.g. adding more memory - no difference as I'm peaking at 2.5Gb usage upgrading video cards to 5850s or 5870s in Crossfire - I'm already maxed out as high as it will go on all settings and running at max FPS - I don't think I'd see any difference. SSD vs SATA - I would load the OS and maybe load games faster but no difference in game. So it all comes down to where you want to spend your money, and return on investment. If you want the bragging rights of having an OC'd i7 920, then go for it. If you want to build a stable, fast PC that will perform just as well (or better) in games, stick with the P55 chipset - and go for an i7-750, slightly overclocked, with a single high end GPU like the HD 5850. |
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06-27-2010, 01:00 PM
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Because the motherboard features tell: New Era for Ultimate Performance! Intel® Core™ i7 Platform. And the ram is made for the i7. |
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06-27-2010, 01:04 PM
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I want my computer to be ready whenever i need it so if the i5 is more stable i might change that. So that means this CPU and this motherboard. right? Last edited by brammeke11; 06-27-2010 at 01:34 PM. |
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06-27-2010, 01:10 PM
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If you really want an i7 system, you could build with i7-860, which uses the more stable 1156 platform. My son recently built one, and he had no problems.
By the way, he's running a single 5830 video card, and he finds no need for additional CPU cooling or video card cooling. |
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06-27-2010, 01:16 PM
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06-27-2010, 01:36 PM
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I want my computer to be ready whenever i need it so if the i5 is more stable i might change that. So that means this CPU and this motherboard. right? |
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06-27-2010, 02:04 PM
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After some changes and making it bit more reliable and cheaper:
Chassis: Corsair Obsidian 800D €254,90 PSU: Corsair HX650W Modular Power Supply €103,99 CPU: Intel i5-750 €188,00 CPU Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H50 CPU Cooler €68,25 Grafische Kaart: Asus ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 graphics €280,29 VGA Cooler: Thermalright HR-03 €36,94 VGA Cooler fan: Enermax T.B. Silence 9cm €4,99 RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module €223,78 ODD: Samsung SH-S222A €19,23 Fan controller: Kaze Master Pro 5.25" Bay Fan Controller €30,00 Extra cooling: Enermax Apollish Fan Blue (x3) (€13,99 p/s) €41,97 HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB €83,00 Moederbord: Asus P7P55D €111,00 Cardreader: AFT PR0-55U Ultra Hi-speed USB 2.0 Writer €40,36 TOTAAL €1487,00 All these prices are from www.tweakers.net |
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06-27-2010, 02:58 PM
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Is that 8Gb RAM 2 x 4B or 4 x 2Gb?
You can probably start with 4Gb and then add another 4 Gb if you find you're maxing out your physical memory. With a good case and proper circulation you shouldn't need a separate VGA cooler or fan. I had no issues at all with a single card - with two it gets a little warmer - around 85-87C peak in game. Looks pretty good otherwise. If you want USB 3.0 SATA 3 support, look at the P7P55D-E That's a lot for a case. Look at the Antec NineHundred 2 - it comes with all the fans you'll need (variable speed) and will hold a full size HD 5870 card. Should not have any issues with room there. If it was my money, I'd get a cheaper case, start with 2x2Gb, ditch the coolers and fans and fan controller and upgrade the video card to the 5870 with the savings. Last edited by orbrit; 06-27-2010 at 03:05 PM. |
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06-27-2010, 03:34 PM
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Its 2x4Gb ram. I gonna throw the top 3 fans out and just replace it with some blue lights. But I have a question about that: Can I hook up lights to the fancontroller? I wouldn't be able to see rpm and temp offcourse but i'll be able to change the brightness fron outside the case. |
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06-28-2010, 01:59 AM
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I made a total new build for comparison. The total opposite from the first one. I started with the idea that the 800D, though i love it, was a bit expensive and didn't have a good air circulation.
Chassis: Antec Twelve Hundred €137,10 PSU: Antec TruePower TP-750 Blue €114,20 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition €164,95 Grafische Kaart: Asus ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 graphics €379,61 Moederbord: Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 €133,00 RAM: Corsair 8GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module €224,30 HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB €83,00 ODD: Samsung SH-S222A €19,23 Fan controller: Kaze Master Pro 5.25" Bay Fan Controller €30,00 Cardreader: AFT PR0-55U Ultra Hi-speed USB 2.0 Writer €40,36 Lichting: idk (max. €20) €20,00 TOTAAL €1345,80 Less **** in the case, I can always buy accessories after it al works. And you know what. I like this one better lol. |
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06-28-2010, 02:04 AM
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I agree - a much better gaming build.
Nice. |
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06-28-2010, 02:38 AM
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06-29-2010, 11:41 AM
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My old computer broke down today
The heatsink, attached to my motherboard with some brackets, broke off. I have ALL my devices hooked up to my laptop now. |
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06-29-2010, 04:02 PM
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sounds like its time to build the new PC!
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06-30-2010, 02:53 AM
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But i also want the old one running again for low-end stuff. But the bracket didn't brake i see now. The 2 upper brackets came loose from the motherboard, so there are in total 4 little holes were thoes brackets were. Should I glue it, solder it, weld it? Last edited by brammeke11; 06-30-2010 at 02:55 AM. |
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06-30-2010, 02:54 AM
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Now the people of the shop are checking all the parts are compatible and available of these builds:
Chassis: Antec Twelve Hundred €137,10 PSU: Antec TruePower TP-750 Blue €114,20 CPU: Intel i7-920 €209,25 Grafische Kaart: Asus ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 graphics €280,29 Moederbord: Asus P6X58D-E €219,64 RAM: Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 SDRAM €177,05 HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB €83,00 ODD: Samsung SH-S222A €19,23 Cardreader: Conceptronic Multifunction eSATA €20,96 TOTAAL € 1.260,72 Chassis: Antec Twelve Hundred €137,10 PSU: Antec TruePower TP-750 Blue €114,20 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 black Edition €149,00 Grafische Kaart: Asus ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 graphics €280,29 Moederbord: Asus M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 €133,90 RAM: GeIL GV34GB1600C9DC 4Gb (x2) (106,98 p/s) €213,96 HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB €83,00 ODD: Samsung SH-S222A €19,23 Cardreader: Conceptronic Multifunction eSATA €20,96 TOTAAL € 1.151,64 My demands were: - Aimed to gaming and little bit to photo and video editing. - Supports USB3.0 abd SSD for in the (near) future. - Lots of room for upgrade and expansions. - I also wanted to be able to put memory cards directly in the pc. (CF, xD, etc. ) - And a black and blue color scheme. The pc will be sitting underneath my desk. With 10cm (about 4 inches) of clearance for the top 200mm Big Boy fan. I also found a shop in holland that has all these parts for a total of €1.334,75 for the Intel setup and €1.221,04 for the AMD build. |
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