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08-27-2010, 05:05 PM
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Gateway FX6840-03E or Dell 7100-Budget Gaming PC!
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I am planning on buying a gaming PC for under $1,000 give or take a little. My mom strictly said NO for building my own so please dont recommend me that. I have customized the perfect Dell PC i could think of. The only thing is that I dont mind a cheaper CPU, but I DO want the 5870 graphic card! I dont see why I need more than 4GB, and I think 8GB is a waste! Anyways here is my build: PROCESSOR & GRAPHICS CARD AMD Phenom™ II X6 1035T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English edit MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz- 2 DIMMs HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW Drive SOUND CARD THX® TruStudio PC™ WIRELESS Dell 1525 Wireless-N PCIe Card KEYBOARD Dell Studio Consumer Multimedia Keyboard MOUSE Dell Laser Mouse And here is the gateway: *i tried to post the link, but it goes to page not found, just go to bestbuy.com and search gateway fx6840* I posted the link because the spec sheet is messed up if I copy and paste. Here is the link to the Dell computer,so then you can customize and recommend to me: Dell Studio XPS 7100 Desktop | Dell Gateway FX6840-03E Pros:I can pick up from store, free monitor, more RAM, Cooler case, bigger PSU, better CPU Cons: Dont need the extra RAM and good CPU, More expensive, not as good graphic card, no WIFI, Gateway customer support Dell 7100 Pros:Great CPU, Good Price, WiFi, Better GPU, Dell customer support Cons:470W PSU..................................Less RAM? Not as good CPU? cant think of any actually! Yes i am favoring the Dell due to the fact that I like how I customized it, it has WIFI, and the 5870 graphic card is twice as good as the 5770! If you can think of a better prebuilt or customizable name brand PC, please tell me, but its gotta be around these specs, and have a video card atleast 5770. Please give me feedback that is helpful, thanks! |
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08-27-2010, 05:09 PM
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I'm curious. Why did Mom say "No"? What we do here is help design and help teach people how to build there own computers. Its actually easier to do than many people realize.
The fact is, with $1000 you can build a better computer on your own than any computer that Dell or Gateway offers. Additionally, building your own computer is a great learning experience which I think any parent should be all for. If you do have to choose between the two factory computers, pick the Dell. Sorry Mom.... I respectfully disagree. 
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08-27-2010, 05:15 PM
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I honestly dont know why. She probably doesnt want to deal with buying all of those parts because they might arrive DOA and the hassle and stuff. She isnt really into all of the returning and stuff. She said she'd rather pay $1,000 for a computer from dell or gateway then a $800 from ibuypower or cyberpower because she thinks that the customer support is horrible. so that might be another reason.
So, out of the two, which would you pick? |
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08-27-2010, 05:16 PM
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A brand machine will come loaded with tons of crapware that will take the edge off any "cutting-edge" hardware you're gonna pay for.
I'm also curious as to why she said no. What are her reasons? And any computer can be DOA. Brand name and tag on the case doesn't guarantee not getting a lemon.
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08-27-2010, 05:25 PM
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If returning parts is a concern then go with a top rated vendor like Newegg which has an excellent return policy. The manufacturers of the parts we recommend are all top quality parts with good to excellent warranties. The vast majority of these parts have equal or better warranties than you get from Dell or Gateway.
If it comes down to who has a better customer service policy, then who do you think is going to be of better help? ...someone reading off a computer script in Bhopal, India or the experts in this forum who already know the material? I would never undermine Mom's authority or overall knowledge of things in general but what if you got her to read this thread? Last edited by David M; 08-27-2010 at 05:38 PM. |
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08-27-2010, 05:31 PM
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You can usually do a custom build for 1/2 or 1/3 the price of a pre-built PC with similar specs.
With a pre-built PC, your upgrade options are also usually limited because of the hardware that's installed. Most of the manufacturers we recommend for parts are also known for good quality parts as well as service. But, if the part fails within 30 days, you deal with the retailer you purchased it from. If you deal with newegg, they're very well known around here for good service. If the part happens to fail after the 30 day window, you can put in an RMA with the manufacturer. In both cases, you usually end up paying for shipping to the company. All the individual parts come with warranties. Motherboards, video cards, CPUs, and other misc hardware is usually 1-3 years. Hard drives are usually 3-5 years. RAM can be 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, or lifetime. Pre-built PCs usually only come with a 1 year warranty. An additional 2 years usually costs around $90-$180 on top of the cost of the hardware. On the other hand, an all-inclusive pre-built package can come with all the necessary peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers), which is *sometimes* a fair deal, though you will have to do price matching to make sure. Also, with a pre-built PC, an operating system is usually included. For a custom build, you will have to purchase an operating system, which may run about $90-$130 (if you don't already have an operating system from an older PC that is not a pre-built PC).
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08-27-2010, 05:50 PM
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Man, if you saw some of the parts that PC brands put into the machines, made by the lowest bidder in China...
Dell? Dell won't replace your machine if it's broken. They will send someone to fix it. I know this from personal experience. I was on the phone with a Dell representative, explaining the problems a customer's recently purchased machine had, telling her that even Dell's own diagnostics shewed that the machine was bad, the hardware was defective; and she said that they'd send someone to fix it. At one point I asked her point blank, "wouldn't it be easier to just send my customer a new laptop and have this one shipped back to you?" The answer: NO WAY! That's not our policy. Do you still want to deal with a brand? |
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08-27-2010, 08:27 PM
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Building my own computer-Budget Gaming PC!
I got approval for making by own computer. But, the thing is, that ITS GOTTA WORK! If it doesnt, then my mom will be very mad because she trusted me with her money to build one, and I dont want the parts to like not work and I have to return it......
So please help me out, thanks! I want to it have atleast 1TB hard Drive and atleast 4GB of RAM. I dont know much about CPU, but I think I want atleast a amd phenom II type, X4 i guess... And, for the graphic card, I cant decide between the 5850 or 5870. I will get the 5850 if the 5870 will overdo my budget. I also know know much about motherboards. I want the motherboard to have USB 3.0 also, and I want it to work with the 5850 and for the 5870, so then I can see the total, and what graphic card I have the money for. Thanks! I hope you understand, i need your help because I dont understand much about the motherboard and CPU. MAX PRICE:$1,000, please try to keep it lower though, thanks |
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08-27-2010, 08:53 PM
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08-28-2010, 08:32 AM
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placeholder post: currently editing with a build that should make you quite happy =D
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08-29-2010, 08:50 AM
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Thanks nikon, looking forward to see it!
I made a build too, it is my first one! http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3571/computerm.jpg Please tell me if it is good and stuff. Because I dont want to get all these computer parts and figure out that it is not compatible to each other! So please tell me what to keep and what to replace, thanks!!!!! Last edited by glc; 08-29-2010 at 09:06 AM. Reason: Convert large inline image to link, please read the rules |
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08-29-2010, 09:02 AM
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ohh my god, ok, i wound up getting interrupted and didnt have the chance to actually POST my post above, and my laptop cover got closed, all gone
 ill try this again.please dont get mad at me for this post but... OCZ and XFX are bad, please dont order all of that suff, you will prolly wind up with atleast something arriving DOA, same with ASRock, and also currently g.skill memory. im thinking you picked the cheapest combodeals you could find to gather up all of the components, but that resulted in horrible brand names, and high likelyhood of failed hardware. edit: adding my build for you now, no interruptions this time Newegg.com - ASUS M4A89GTD PRO AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard Newegg.com - ASUS EAH5850 DirectCU TOP/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ ATI Eyefinity Newegg.com - AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX640WFGMBOX Newegg.com - A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Newegg.com - Antec Nine Hundred + EA650 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 650W Power Supply Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - Operating Systems comes to $993 and some change before shipping (add $20 bucks about) there are a couple of promo codes too, and dont forget to add a mouse/keyboard if you need. i hope you have a monitor, but if you dont, i can work one in, but dont expect the big 5850. Last edited by Nikon; 08-29-2010 at 09:24 AM. |
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08-29-2010, 09:13 AM
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I heard good things about xfx and ocz though.... Ahh....its ok, i can find a better psu and graphic card brand. About gskill and asrock, i dont know much about those brands, so its ok. Can you show me a better brand memory and motherboard then, thanks! And how was the rest of the build? Thanks! |
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08-29-2010, 09:27 AM
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g.skill has been having quality issues with bad ram slipping past the test phase (if there is one?)
xfx and ocz are known for failure, and i have seen ocz power supplies go bad and take the whole system with it. the build i just posted above goes for the highest quality parts to help best avoid RMAing anything, as you said that would be bad considering your mom's position on this build. |
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08-29-2010, 12:02 PM
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Thanks both of you!
I will make a build today with the changes that you said. Is the samsung hard drive good too? Just wondering because you guys went with another type. Also, is that case good? the $40 one, because I see everyone reccommending me the antec $100 case. I will make the new build soon and post it up as soon as im done, thanks! |
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08-29-2010, 12:14 PM
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Samsung drives are not as good as the WD Blacks 64 in terms of reliability and speed. The WD Blacks come with a 5 year warranty as well.
Cases are a very personal preference. They all do their job so long as they are truly built to the ATX standard. It's pretty much a matter of what looks good to you and how much you are willing to spend for better materials such as aluminum or the fancier features like larger quieter fans or a nice paint job. The case that was picked for your build fits your budget. A $100 Antec case without a PSU would push you over your budget and there is nothing else in your build I would cut back on for a fancier case....unless you can find an Antec case with a minimum 500 watt Antec PSU that is not a budget buster. Don't bother with any other brand of case that comes with a PSU. It's pretty certain the PSU will be of poor quality. If Mom wants to increase your budget by 20 bucks then this case might work out... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-024-_-Product You would not need to purchase the PSU on your shopping list. Or for another $50 above your budget... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-064-_-Product Offer to cut the lawn, clean the cat box and take out the garbage for a year.
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08-29-2010, 02:52 PM
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Hi, thanks for all the help.
My mom and dad didnt force me or anything(just kept on telling me), but it was my desicion to call this off. I am going to go ahead and buy the Dell. Since school started im not gonna have all that time that I wanted. And, I will be really sad and stressed out if it dont work the first time, and knowing me, i'd throw it in the trash after getting frustrated on my first couple of tries! Thanks anyways everybody, I really appreciate it! If you still wanna help me, then please look over this and tell me what you think. Please no Dell sucks and customer support is horrible, and things like that. I want feedback on the build. One thing I wanna know, is should I replace the 1035T to the 1055T for $50 more, or leave it the way it is. PROCESSOR & GRAPHICS CARD AMD Phenom™ II X6 1035T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB edit OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English edit MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz- 2 DIMMs edit HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache edit OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW Drive edit MONITOR No Monitor edit SOUND CARD THX® TruStudio PC™ edit SPEAKERS No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system) edit WIRELESS Dell 1525 Wireless-N PCIe Card edit KEYBOARD Dell Studio Consumer Multimedia Keyboard edit MOUSE Dell Laser Mouse edit MODEM No Modem Option Or this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-137-_-Product Thanks!!!!!!! Last edited by parth95; 08-29-2010 at 03:23 PM. |
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08-29-2010, 04:49 PM
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No, Dell does not suck but it's not nearly as nice of a computer as we designed for you.
I see your budget went up $200. That would have made a difference in what we designed. Good luck with it.
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08-29-2010, 05:11 PM
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If you are under 18 (which I'm pretty sure you are) get the Dell to keep peace in the family.
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08-29-2010, 07:15 PM
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If I can get a good build and have a good reason to build my own computer, then I can!
So, please guys help me out. I need a good build. The price went over to the $900-$1,000 limit, but these are good parts, right? I need your guys help, because I need you to point me in the right direction. Tell what to repalce with what and stuff like that. So, please help me. Here is the build: http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5492/computer2.jpg So again, please tell me what is good and personal experience, and if it is not, then why and what to replace it with, thanks!!!!!! One more: http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9334/computer3.jpg Here is one more. Again, please give me feedback, like if it is good and stuff, and if not, then please tell me what to change it to, thanks!!!! Dont worry, the Windows 7 and motherboard is only 1 of each, i couldnt fit it all in one page, so I had to copy and paste the second part under it. http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1772/computer4.jpg Last edited by parth95; 08-29-2010 at 10:04 PM. |
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08-30-2010, 08:01 PM
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LATEST BUILD!!!!!
PLease tell me what you think, if something is bad and needs to be changed then tell me, and if i am missing something basic, then please tell me, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, compare the build under, and then instead of the $100 case, replace it with this: Newegg.com - RAIDMAX Quantum ATX-798WB Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Is the case above good? I heard good things about it, and alotta fans!!!! No special cooling system would be required!, thanks again!!!! *Yes, im am excited with the exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5972/computer5f.jpg |
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08-31-2010, 12:15 AM
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You don't need a lot of fans: one intake and one exhaust is fine (you'll actually have two exhaust, because the PSU already comes with a fan). Choose a case that is appealing to you and that looks solid and easy to have access to.
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08-31-2010, 09:51 AM
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08-31-2010, 11:55 AM
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If you want an AMD, take the suggested build and substitute an appropriate Asus motherboard and AMD processor. I'm not even going to waste MY time telling you why the parts you are choosing are crap, you don't seem to be listening to others.
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08-31-2010, 12:23 PM
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Parth95, if you do the build you put together while ignoring the advice and suggestions by the knowledgeable pros here, I predict a bad future for you with it. In that case you might as well get the Dell with their support, keep peace in the family and ride out the Dell as long as it lasts. Eventually, there will come a time where certain proprietary parts will need replaced out of warranty and you will have some decisions to make, but that is better than frying a system with a problem power supply, have no warranty, and have your mom say "I told you so."
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