Advice for a build I have in mind

[Mashu]

Okay this is my first post besides the introduction.

What I want is a pc that has enough power to do 3d rendering for programs such as rhino (im an architecture major) and gaming. Now im not a hardcore gamer, more of a casual. But im sure that if it will render then it can play its games. I need advice on what parts will do the job for that. So far I only have a case in mind which is the

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

The reviews look good and I know its big but I have the room plus i'd need the room for future upgrades.

And im opting for a quadcore processor and I do need a monitor.

The hdd doesnt have to be that big, as I will add more after its finished.

Preferably I want it to be 900 or below (including the case).

Thanks in advance!!!!

[glc]

It's going to be difficult to do this for 900 bucks when you pick an expensive case like that. I can get you real close without any peripherals or operating system:

Newegg.com - ASUS P7P55D-E LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760

Newegg.com - A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH

Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner - Bulk - CD / DVD Burners

Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

Newegg.com - HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

[Khalil]

Or you can save over $100 and still get awesome performance by replacing the Motherboard and CPU glc suggested and get these instead:

Newegg.com - ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD Motherboard motherboard

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX CPU

[Nikon]

i would have to side with khalil (besides my fanboyism) that amd would be the route to go, given the budget constraints. this would give you a little more power in the graphics area. lets do some research and find out which programs you are running and what architecture they preferr (amd or intel) to give you the best results possible. many benchmarks show similar CPUs perform vastly different based on the type, rather than speed, of the cpu.

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by Mashu Okay this is my first post besides the introduction. What I want is a pc that has enough power to do 3d rendering for programs such as rhino (im an architecture major) and gaming. Now im not a hardcore gamer, more of a casual. But im sure that if it will render then it can play its games. I need advice on what parts will do the job for that. So far I only have a case in mind which is the COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case The reviews look good and I know its big but I have the room plus i'd need the room for future upgrades. And im opting for a quadcore processor and I do need a monitor. The hdd doesnt have to be that big, as I will add more after its finished. Preferably I want it to be 900 or below (including the case). Thanks in advance!!!!

I have a nvidia fx1800 card that is very good at 3d rendering but it is a horrible gaming card. But it will smoke most gaming cards in rendering. I think the setup glc suggested will give you the best of both worlds with your budget. I trust Khalil's suggestion as well but I have not had any experience comparing those two cpu's but I know he builds workstations. The build I have in my signature would be good but it is way over your budget. It renders real well but it is being delivered on saturday.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by glc It's going to be difficult to do this for 900 bucks when you pick an expensive case like that. I can get you real close without any peripherals or operating system: Newegg.com - ASUS P7P55D-E LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760 Newegg.com - A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner - Bulk - CD / DVD Burners Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply Newegg.com - HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

Okay so if I exclude the case out of the budget and just leave the 900 for parts what could i get? Rendering takes a long time and i guess its different than gaming on the graphics card. The laptop I have right now is an Asus g60 with nvidia geforce gts 360 and the guy was like...oh yeah that can render.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Mashu Okay this is my first post besides the introduction. What I want is a pc that has enough power to do 3d rendering for programs such as rhino (im an architecture major) and gaming. Now im not a hardcore gamer, more of a casual. But im sure that if it will render then it can play its games. I need advice on what parts will do the job for that. So far I only have a case in mind which is the COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case The reviews look good and I know its big but I have the room plus i'd need the room for future upgrades. And im opting for a quadcore processor and I do need a monitor. The hdd doesnt have to be that big, as I will add more after its finished. Preferably I want it to be 900 or below (including the case). Thanks in advance!!!!

Edit: I decided I want a motherboard with enough slots for a wireless card and extra ram. And I saw that the asus rampage 3 without crossfire is 250 dollars. Is that good?

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by Mashu Edit: I decided I want a motherboard with enough slots for a wireless card and extra ram. And I saw that the asus rampage 3 without crossfire is 250 dollars. Is that good?

That is an enthusiast board with the x58 chipset. Strong technical knowledge and tweaking is required. Why would need more than 4 dimm slots? You have more than enough slots for a wireless card. I am at a loss here.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by jdeb That is an enthusiast board with the x58 chipset. Strong technical knowledge and tweaking is required. Why would need more than 4 dimm slots? You have more than enough slots for a wireless card. I am at a loss here.

Oh okay. I was just wondering. I'm sorta throwing things out here >.>
One question...I have enough money for the case right now. Should I get the case now, then the parts later at one time or everything at one time?

[Nuclear Krusader]

Originally Posted by Mashu Edit: I decided I want a motherboard with enough slots for a wireless card and extra ram. And I saw that the asus rampage 3 without crossfire is 250 dollars. Is that good?

That mobo has 6 memory slots because it's tri-channel. You'd need to populate at least 3 of them with the same sticks (e.g. 3x2 GB for a total of 6 GB). If you use only two of them the memory won't run as fast as it's s'posed to. You'd do better using the mobo that Glc recommends, which is just dual channel (for which you need to install the memory in pairs not in trios, thus saving money).

[Nuclear Krusader]

Originally Posted by Mashu Oh okay. I was just wondering. I'm sorta throwing things out here >.> One question...I have enough money for the case right now. Should I get the case now, then the parts later at one time or everything at one time?

Tempting to start buying. I did once buy my case before the mobo, but my intended mobo was guaranteed to fit. Although most ATX mobos would fit your case, buying the case before the mobo is like getting the cart before the horse. Wait.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader Tempting to start buying. I did once buy my case before the mobo, but my intended mobo was guaranteed to fit. Although most ATX mobos would fit your case, buying the case before the mobo is like getting the cart before the horse. Wait.

It is tempting.. especially since it would be my first and I have that i want it now feeling. But I suppose your right.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Khalil Or you can save over $100 and still get awesome performance by replacing the Motherboard and CPU glc suggested and get these instead: Newegg.com - ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD Motherboard motherboard Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX CPU

What about this mobo??
Newegg.com - ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

I found out i'll have a little cash to spare

[Nuclear Krusader]

That's an AMD mobo and CPU. I'd rather take Glc's suggestion and stick with Intel. Don't want to get into a diatribe here, but I've built nothing but Intels and swear by their reliability and performance.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader That's an AMD mobo and CPU. I'd rather take Glc's suggestion and stick with Intel. Don't want to get into a diatribe here, but I've built nothing but Intels and swear by their reliability and performance.

But then Khali suggested an amd mobo after the intel that's why I posted this one.

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by Mashu What about this mobo?? Newegg.com - ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard I found out i'll have a little cash to spare

That is an excellent motherboard as is the one glc suggested. Coupled with the cpu's they both suggested.

[Nuclear Krusader]

Mashu, first thing you need to do is determine which platform you're going to go with: Intel or AMD; from there you can start putting your system together. I'd advise to read reviews of both companies' CPUs in unbiased sites such as MaximumPC's, in order to make a more informed and savvy decision.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader Mashu, first thing you need to do is determine which platform you're going to go with: Intel or AMD; from there you can start putting your system together. I'd advise to read reviews of both companies' CPUs in unbiased sites such as MaximumPC's, in order to make a more informed and savvy decision.

Okay, so I had a talk with a friend. And after reading the reviews im going with intel.

And he has an extra mobo
EVGA nForce 790i Ultra SLI Motherboard

which he says is good for what I need? I know its kinda old also..

[David M]

It is old but so long as you don't use that junky chipset to run SLI then you should be fine. Make sure you have the correct CPU and for the motherboard socket and the correct RAM.

[Khalil]

Nvidia chipset combined with Intel bad bad idea! glc will tell you that is a bad combination, Intel CPUs work best with Intel chipsets but hey good luck!

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Khalil Nvidia chipset combined with Intel bad bad idea! glc will tell you that is a bad combination, Intel CPUs work best with Intel chipsets but hey good luck!

well I know so far I'm going intel I know that.

So glc's parts were for intel correct?

[Khalil]

Yes what glc proposed was excellent, Intel makes great processors so do AMD, the only reason I mentioned AMD to you is because in your initial posts you were talking of a budget and with AMD you would get exceptional performance for less money. Both Intel and AMD make great processors, quality and reliability wise they are equal, at this time Intel has the upper hand, their processors are slightly faster but cost a lot more.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Khalil Yes what glc proposed was excellent, Intel makes great processors so do AMD, the only reason I mentioned AMD to you is because in your initial posts you were talking of a budget and with AMD you would get exceptional performance for less money. Both Intel and AMD make great processors, quality and reliability wise they are equal, at this time Intel has the upper hand, their processors are slightly faster but cost a lot more.

I've always had intel computers to begin with. I'm not trying to go against with your guys recommendations I just have alot of questions. I also want it to be faster than my laptop but Im sure it will be since my laptop is only core 2 duo.

[Nuclear Krusader]

It will be faster than your laptop, especially if your laptop is doing the SpeedStep thing (running the CPU at slower speeds depending on the load to save power).

Don't scratch your head anymore, just buy the mobo Glc suggested. Stay away from nVidia chipsets, they may get great reviews in gaming magazines, but hey, magazines hardly ever get the duds: manufacturers test (even optimise) the boards that are going to be sent to reviewers.

If you're going to use an Intel CPU, then use an Intel chipset (there's something about the guys who made the CPU knowing best about it). Intel makes the best chipsets anyway. I've said it before and I've said it again, after my horrible experience with AMD: I'll buy another AMD CPU when Intel makes the chipset for it.

[Mashu]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader It will be faster than your laptop, especially if your laptop is doing the SpeedStep thing (running the CPU at slower speeds depending on the load to save power). Don't scratch your head anymore, just buy the mobo Glc suggested. Stay away from nVidia chipsets, they may get great reviews in gaming magazines, but hey, magazines hardly ever get the duds: manufacturers test (even optimise) the boards that are going to be sent to reviewers. If you're going to use an Intel CPU, then use an Intel chipset (there's something about the guys who made the CPU knowing best about it). Intel makes the best chipsets anyway. I've said it before and I've said it again, after my horrible experience with AMD: I'll buy another AMD CPU when Intel makes the chipset for it.

will do

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by mashu okay, so i had a talk with a friend. And after reading the reviews im going with intel. And he has an extra mobo evga nforce 790i ultra sli motherboard which he says is good for what i need? I know its kinda old also..

yuck

[glc]

Note that the hard drive I recommended is SATA 6.0 - if you get it, make sure the motherboard you get is a true SATA 6.0 board. The one I recommended is.