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Old 10-14-2010, 08:47 PM   #1
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New PC Builder: Mid-High Desktop Gamer Build

Hey all, being very cautious of buying prebuilt laptops & desktops because of how crummy they can be, I've come to the decision to build my own. However, the hardest part is getting started since I have no idea how to build, or what to buy. So I come to everyone here on the forums. I thank you in advance for any help you all can provide:

Budget: $1200-1500

Case: Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

PSU: Newegg.com - OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Motherboard: Newegg.com - ASUS P7P55D-E LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (not sure about mobo's)

CPU: Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760 (Not sure about this i5-760 what does this mean?)

HDD: Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

RAM: Newegg.com - Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3K2/4GR

Drive: Newegg.com - LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer

Video Card: Need help here, not too sure.

Sound Card: This as well....

OS: 64 bit windows 7

Thanks again and I look forward to discussions
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Old 10-14-2010, 09:23 PM   #2
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welcome to the forums! its always nice to see new people coming and looking for support, and its even nicer to see people stay and learn everything they can. i hope you enjoy it here. anyways, down to business.

good choice of mobo/cpu/hdd, but step the HDD vup to the sata 6gbps version, its only a little more, and your mobo will fully support the higher speeds.

ram: ddr3 1333 is what you want/need. i suggest a-data g series, its what i use. corsair/kingston/crucial are also good brands.

psu: definately avoid OCZ. i personally have never had one of their units last more than 2 months. corsair is a great brand. depending on your graphics card choice, you might want to go with a little more powerful unit too.

graphics card: either a gtx 460 1gb, or a 5850 would be your best bet. the gtx 470 is an amazing card too, but make sure you have A) enough power, B) enough cooling. the 470 runs HOT, the 460 is much easier on the temps inside your case.

sound: the onboard sound of the p7p55d-e is superb, you dont need to get a standalone card for this.

thats a nice little case =D i wouldnt mind having it for myself. although, i love my antec 1200. just had to throw that in there.
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Old 10-14-2010, 10:08 PM   #3
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Thanks for the kind welcome

Reading other posts i do realize that a much better power supply makes quite the difference. How about this 750 W PSU? Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

I'm not really sure about RAM since my old laptop had 3 gb and seemed to not make a huge difference so I"m not really sure when you will see a huge performance boost when min/maxing out.

You are correct only $5 more for the 6Gb/s, is that just the transfer speed between the drive & on screen? Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

As for a video card taking your suggestion: Newegg.com - EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card once again i'm not really sure how to tell if ones superior compared to others so any help is much appreciated.

Ah the case, it does look really cool. That's always a major decider Hopefully there's enough room & can handle it all.

Also one other thing that I've always heard is blue screens. With compatibility, will this build be compatible as well as bring great performance to games?

After adding it all up I am hugely underbudget which is awesome, but this makes me wonder how powerful this machine will actually be price atm:$889.91 not including tax. So should I just bump everything up a couple of notches or will this be ok?
Thanks again for the help!

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Old 10-15-2010, 09:03 AM   #4
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If your are still looking to spend more...bump up the ram to 8gigs.
You can also switch the i5 to the i7 series.
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But everything else will work together and give a quality performance? Thats the biggest thing that I'm concerned about.
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the 1gb version of the gtx 460 is best, the 768mb one is crippled at best. its more than just a memory deficit on the lesser card, they have a whole SM disabled, killing off 25% or more performance. get the 1gb model, and you will have quite a nice machine.

what i meant on ram is 1333 mhz ram. 4gb is all you need, you wont use more than that in a gaming machine.

and last, but certainly not least, excellent choice of PSU.
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But everything else will work together and give a quality performance? Thats the biggest thing that I'm concerned about.
Thats what we're here for.
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:26 AM   #8
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Ah i see so probably something like: Newegg.com - EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Along with some RAM such as: Newegg.com - Crucial Ballistix Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory w/ Red LEDs Model BL2KIT25664TR1608

& thanks mate, mainly based on your recommendations so cheers!
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:36 AM   #9
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With a $1200 to $1500 budget, I would bump the graphics card up to 470 or 480 or consider a 5870.

650 watts is the best place for powering those cards. It's not running on the edge of barely enough or overkill. I would consider a Corsair TX650, or HX650 if you want modular. Modular is more expensive and only makes the inside of your case look prettier. Both of these Corsairs now have a 7 year warranty compared to Antec's 3 year warranties.

Consider one of the WD Blacks with 64 megs of cache.
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Stick with the original i-5 you chose. For gaming with that processor, your graphics card will still be the bottleneck. Don't bother with the i-7 unless you have a multi-threaded application that you want to make sure runs at its maximum speed.

The Crucial DIMM's you have chosen will need to be overclocked. Are you sure you want this?

Stick with RAM brands that have an excellent track record. Corsair, Kingston and Crucial all do. Buying a 2 DIMM kit of 4 gigs, 1333, 1.5 volt would be good if you want a no hassle setup and reliability.

You will not need 8 gigs of RAM unless you plan on having a lot of software open at once or you have a specific application that uses a lot of RAM. More RAM just keeps your applications from accessing the hard drive if and when they start needing more than 4 gigs of RAM. More RAM does not make your computer any faster. For example, 8 gigs is not faster than 4 gigs if all your computer is using is 3 gigs.

You will not need a sound card. The increased quality of onboard sound is making sound cards more and more obsolete. They are gradually going the way of the diskette drive.
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:38 AM   #10
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What games are you looking to play?
And on every single one are you looking to max the settings?

On a side note.. Do you have peripherals (monitor, mouse, keyboard) already?
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:10 AM   #11
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Hmmm will these two http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-568-_-Product along with the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148334 still crump the processor because they both don't have enough juice? or will it be fine? I definitely don't want to overclock to much because of the bad effects of it.

League of legends, sc2, possibly crysis, not sure though. Not really high end but good enough to where i can see everything quite nicely w/o having my computer to run extreme. and yes, i have all necessary peripherals but might upgrade my monitor.
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(edited), i feel i have met my clone. im an avid SC2 player, and i played dota up until LoL came out, and now i play that too. the 460 1gb plays sc2 on ultra b - e - a - utifully and LoL is almost a joke to this card.

in general, modern graphics cards can outrun even the best CPUs, even the 980x becomes a bottleneck with a gtx480 in certain games.

you should be just fine with either the i5 or i7 and a 1gb gtx 460. my rig is the i7/460 combo and is just amazing.

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Old 10-15-2010, 10:06 PM   #13
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haha awesome brotha! I luv LOL, whats your in game name? maybe we can meet up. Mines 0nl0ck3. Of course, since the laptop is donezo can't play until i get this badboy built. Gonna be gone for a couple of weeks for military but when i get back i'll get to work & hopefully some cash will be in the bank.

Thats unfortunate about cpu's becoming bottlenecked. But its good to hear that those games run awesome with those two components. Can't wait to touch sc2. It sounds like you have a beast of a machine can't wait to play on it.

Scariest thing will be building it, yikes! Been reading up on some stuff but seems kinda scary, specially first time.
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there are things you can do to make it easier, but its really not that difficult. if you have an older machine that still works, or one that doesnt, disassemble it completely, and put it back together. i mean litterally everything. pull the cpu (unless you dont have extra thermal paste, the cpu is easy to install, but w/o thermal paste dont do it.) remove the ram, take the mobo out of the case, and rebuild it. this will give you a general idea of what you are getting into.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:53 PM   #15
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Don't really have that so not an option of tearing an old desktop. It seems simple enough but its always kinda scary, specially messing with these expensive parts. But we'll see
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Not to sock your build in the nose, but if you're a gamer and have money leftover...

I'd switch to ATI and setup for eyefinity. If it was me. Unless Nvidia has something similiar.
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Old 10-16-2010, 10:14 AM   #17
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I agree with rwest.

Nvidia does have something similar but you still need two graphics cards to drive three monitors. Eyefinity, with a three port 5800 series card, only requires one card to drive three monitors.

I think that once you have a nice gaming rig, the next logical step is to get more monitors. Larger monitors have come down in price significantly. You will want a 5870 card to power larger monitors. With three smaller monitors you could probably get by on a 5830 card...depending on how high you want your game settings.

I bought three of these which I am very happy with...
Newegg.com - ASUS VW266H Black 25.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers w/ component connector

Besides gaming, its really nice to have three monitors so you can throw open windows off to the side while working at a window on your center screen....much like having a larger desk.

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