My HD Video Processing / Gaming PC setup (How does it Look?)

[Namioko]

I know that ATI and AMD are of the same company.

How often do people pair an ATI cards on an Intel motherboard?
Are there any know problems with an ati card on an intel motherboard?
Do they play well with each other?

I guess I like both ATI and Nvidia but I tend to lean more towards ATI, just because thats what I started out with....I like the GEForce GTX 470's but I read that they consume more power and they tend to run hotter than the ATI.


I'm thinking about building a system, but there are too many choices
I like the intel i7950 and the AMD phenom II X6

Im leaning more towards the intel (but still undecided) and I like the ATI 5870's ( I also like the nvidia GTX 470's) but leaning more towards ati...

would I have any problems with the ati on an Intel?

[glc]

would I have any problems with the ati on an Intel?

Nope. They work fine.

[Namioko]

Thanks glc!

[Nikon]

any single card should run fine on any mobo you use it on, assuming you have the proper slot available. the ati/intel problems arise when/if you choose to go SLI with nvidia cards. that will only work (without hacked drivers, which is not a good idea imho) on an intel based board. amd/ati xfire works on both platforms assuming compatability with it for that specific mobo. in short:

single gpu = amd or intel
xfire = amd or intel
sli = intel

[glc]

You are being a bit misleading, so I'm going to recap:

A single card, regardless of chipset, can be used with any motherboard that has the correct slot.

SLI can be used with any motherboard that supports SLI. With Intel processors, this means an Intel chipset that specifically says that it's SLI-capable, or old Nvidia chipsets for socket 775. The Intel P55 and X58 chipsets are SLI-capable, but it's not enabled on all boards.

The only AMD chipsets that support SLI are Nvidia. They are becoming few and far between.

Crossfire is a lot easier. Most AMD and Intel chipsets support it.

If you are only going to use a single card, bottom line, chipset doesn't matter.

I like the intel i7950

That's socket 1366 and requires the X58. This is not a build I'd recommend for beginners. It's for enthusiasts and takes a lot of fiddling to get it stable. We recommend the i7-870 on a P55 board.

[Namioko]

Originally Posted by glc You are being a bit misleading, so I'm going to recap: A single card, regardless of chipset, can be used with any motherboard that has the correct slot. SLI can be used with any motherboard that supports SLI. With Intel processors, this means an Intel chipset that specifically says that it's SLI-capable, or old Nvidia chipsets for socket 775. The Intel P55 and X58 chipsets are SLI-capable, but it's not enabled on all boards. The only AMD chipsets that support SLI are Nvidia. They are becoming few and far between. Crossfire is a lot easier. Most AMD and Intel chipsets support it. If you are only going to use a single card, bottom line, chipset doesn't matter. That's socket 1366 and requires the X58. This is not a build I'd recommend for beginners. It's for enthusiasts and takes a lot of fiddling to get it stable. We recommend the i7-870 on a P55 board.

What type of Fiddling (Bios)?
So its not really as easy as plug & Play, what would cause problems?

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by Namioko What type of Fiddling (Bios)? So its not really as easy as plug & Play, what would cause problems?

It will plug and play, just might not play nice. You may spend a lot of time looking up blue screen errors. There are several options in the bios and with some boards you have to go through many of them and set them correctly and of course that means you have to understand them. It can be fun and challenging. I guess if your a person that wants it to work out of the box, the x58 chipset is not for you. If you like to tweak, balance, and overclock and figure out weird little problems, x58 is for you. The chipset is not bad at all, it is advanced and complicated or should I say different.

Here is an interesting article
Intel X58 vs P55: What's the Difference?

[Namioko]

Originally Posted by jdeb It will plug and play, just might not play nice. You may spend a lot of time looking up blue screen errors. There are several options in the bios and with some boards you have to go through many of them and set them correctly and of course that means you have to understand them. It can be fun and challenging. I guess if your a person that wants it to work out of the box, the x58 chipset is not for you. If you like to tweak, balance, and overclock and figure out weird little problems, x58 is for you. The chipset is not bad at all, it is advanced and complicated or should I say different. Here is an interesting article Intel X58 vs P55: What's the Difference?

Wow.......interesting read, a lil bummer for me Oh well there goes the I7.
I am sort of a plug and play, I never really overclocked or anything...I just put it together and load the os and thats it.....Hmmmm, what about the Amd Phenom II x6 1090t, is that more easier to work with?

I would like to build a system that lets me edit HD videos, and also play high end video games thats why I was leaning towards the i7 I want a processor that can handle it all......Do you think that the amd can handle this as good as the i7?

[David M]

The i-7 is available in 1156 or 1366. The difference in speeds are very minimal on a percentage basis.

You can take an 1156 i-7 870, overclock it and make it the very close equivalent to a $900 CPU.

The bottom line for gaming is that with a modern CPU, the graphics card is going to be your limitation on how fast you can make the game run.

On this forum we are repeatedly telling people who are building gaming rigs to sink more of their money into the graphics card and less into the CPU.

For non-gaming rigs that run CPU intensive software then yes, sink more money into a more expensive processor or overclock a less expensive processor and save yourself hundreds of dollars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_i7

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...ance,2416.html

[Namioko]

Originally Posted by David M The i-7 is available in 1156 or 1366. The difference in speeds are very minimal on a percentage basis. You can take an 1156 i-7 870, overclock it and make it the very close equivalent to a $900 CPU. The bottom line for gaming is that with a modern CPU, the graphics card is going to be your limitation on how fast you can make the game run. On this forum we are repeatedly telling people who are building gaming rigs to sink more of their money into the graphics card and less into the CPU. For non-gaming rigs that run CPU intensive software then yes, sink more money into a more expensive processor or overclock a less expensive processor and save yourself hundreds of dollars. Intel Core i7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Charts, benchmarks Desktop CPU Charts 2010, 3DMark Vantage Overall Performance

For the graphics card I'm going for either the ati 5870 or nvidia 470gtx

Thanks for the link

[Namioko]

Is it hard to overclock? could it get damaged or damage the motherboard?

[Nuclear Krusader]

Any particular reason why you want to overclock? Aggressive overclocking can indeed do damage, moderate may not; but overall, any overclocking DOES reduce the lifetime of components. Also, in overclocking video cards, keep in mind that some already come "overclocked" from the factory. It's not really worth the trouble and the risk to stress components unnecessarily in order to gain a few fps that most likely you won't even notice in real life computing.

[Namioko]

I dont really want to Oc, I just want to get the best for what I can afford.

[glc]

Then get an i7-870 and an Asus P7P55D-E. If you plan on SLI or Crossfire later, get a P7P55D-E Pro.

[Namioko]

Originally Posted by glc Then get an i7-870 and an Asus P7P55D-E. If you plan on SLI or Crossfire later, get a P7P55D-E Pro.

I was just checking out the i7-870 it's looking pretty sweet right about now.

Would you say that this is more of a plug and play and I should have little or no problems.

and would it be good enough for hd video editing and gaming?

[glc]

Yes to all.

[Namioko]

WOW! Thanks glc, you've been extremely helpful.......I appreciate it

[Namioko]

I've been looking at the motherboards

How does the Asus P7P55D-E / Pro

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131620

compare to the ASUS Maximus III Formula LGA 1156?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131482



would the Maximus be just as good and as less problematic as the P7P55D?

[quartet-man]

I don't know about the latter, but the P7P55D-E is a very good board.

[Nuclear Krusader]

The Maximus gets you an e-SATA port, which the other one doesn't have. The audio also seems to be more decent (the cheaper mobo has a VIA audio chip, pfui! [VIA = Valid In Absence]). If you don't need an external SATA port, are content with VIA andor don't need any of the other minor features the Maximus has, go with the cheaper board.

Me, I went the Maximus Formula route a couple of years ago and mine is still running strong. A difference of 35 dollars becomes negligible when you won't build another system for at least a couple of years. I never skimp on the mobo, but that's a personal approach. This is one of those areas where your PC starts becoming "personal", when you let your personality influence your buying decisions AFTER you've listened to the advice of those who know.

[David M]

I have had no problems with my Maximus. I have had fun overclocking my computer in real time from another computer.

[glc]

Nuk, Via audio is quite good. It's all Intel HD anyway.

Namioko, you are looking at the wrong board. You want to look at the P7P55D-E and the P7P55D-E Pro. The one you linked is not the "-E". That's important. They support SATA 6.0 and USB 3.0, the Maximus does not, and neither do the ones without the "-E".

[Namioko]

Thanks for the input everyone

Thanks for the correction glc........phew!

I was just swayed and looked at the other board because of the ratings the maximus had a better customer rating.

but hmmmmm, now I know that the p7p55d-e / pro hs sata 6.0 and usb 3.0 which I think is great!.....its just that the ratings scared me off a little, should I be worried about that?

[David M]

The ratings in Newegg don't mean much since they come from a handful of individuals.

What really counts are the opinions of industry professionals who have built hundreds or thousands of computers and therefore start seeing meaningful trends in quality and reliability. glc and Khalil are two of those people amongst a few others in this forum who build and repair computers for a living.

[Namioko]

WOW! Thanks David, it's very reasuring to hear that.........makes me feel a whole lot better and less worrisome(if that's even a word).

I really appreciate the forum, I can learn from it.

Thanks

[Nuclear Krusader]

Yes, worrisome is a word.

[quartet-man]

Reviews should be taken with a grain of salt. Sometimes they are dead on. The problems with the G.Skill memory are documented on some reviews. The problems with an external floppy I bought (that ended up having the same problems) were there too. However, sometimes people post negative reviews because they do something wrong. It is user error instead of the product. Other times they are just sold on a certain brand and not on others.

[Nuclear Krusader]

Also, people who are satisfied with a product is less likely to come back to the site to post a comment, unless they're uberhappy with it or have nothing else to do. It's mostly the ones on whom the product failed that have the need to vent, report, warn, complain, etc.

[Namioko]

It's me again.

I have a question about buying/compatible Memory.

When chosing a motherboard, usually on the motherboards website it has a list of compatible memory for whichever board you chose.

On the Memory(whichever brand) websites they also has a list of what memory is compatible for a specific motherboard.

Sometimes on the memory website you may see a memory listed as compatible, which is NOT listed on the Motherboards website.

If it's not listed on the Motherboard's site but on the Memory site, would I be taking a chance that it may have compatibility issues if I choose memory from a memory website that say that it is compatible?

[Nuclear Krusader]

Not if you buy from a reputable memory manufacturer such as Crucial or Kingston.