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Old 04-15-2011, 12:03 AM   #1
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So, I'm planning on making my own Gaming PC, I specifically want top of the line games (specifically Crysis) to run at around 30fps maxed. So my build at the moment is:

Case: RAIDMAX Blackstorm ATX-615WU Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower: $80
Newegg.com - RAIDMAX Blackstorm ATX-615WU Black Steel - Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Power Supply: CORSAIR 550W ATX12V V2.2: $90
Newegg.com - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
Motherboard: ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX: $80
Newegg.com - Open Box: ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor: $140
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
Hard Drive: Western Digital RE4 WD5003ABYX 500GB 7200 RPM: $80
Newegg.com - Western Digital RE4 WD5003ABYX 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600): $47
Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK
Optical Drive: LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive – OEM: $19
Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive - CD - DVD Burners
Graphics Card: ZOTAC GeForce GTS 250: $115
Newegg.com - ZOTAC ZT-20105-10P GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Current Price: $651
Budget: $700

I need to make sure I can get this combination of parts to work. As well as if I can get better or current parts cheaper. OR if I am going overboard.

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Old 04-15-2011, 07:40 AM   #2
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You will not be able to run Crysis or Crysis 2 at the highest graphics settings at 30 FPS with a $700 budget unless you turn the monitor resolution down to 800 x 600 Donkey Kong like settings.....maybe you can get 30 FPS then.

You still can play other games that are not very graphically demanding.

Crysis 2 was written for a gaming console and (poorly) adapted to a PC. A console might be an option.
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What about Fallout: New Vegas or Just cause 2 on high or would I need a higher budget for that too?
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:23 AM   #4
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1. Do not buy an open box motherboard.
2. Instead of a RE4 drive, get a Caviar Black.
3. Instead of G.skill, get Corsair, Crucial, Kingston, or A-Data ram.
4. You need to spend as much more as you possibly can on a better video card.
5. The Corsair 650TX is a stronger PSU, and after rebate and free shipping it's 6 bucks LESS than the 550VX.

The only places I can see to cut costs are get a cheaper case and a cheaper CPU.
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1. Do not buy an open box motherboard.
2. Instead of a RE4 drive, get a Caviar Black.
3. Instead of G.skill, get Corsair, Crucial, Kingston, or A-Data ram.
4. You need to spend as much more as you possibly can on a better video card.
5. The Corsair 650TX is a stronger PSU, and after rebate and free shipping it's 6 bucks LESS than the 550VX.

The only places I can see to cut costs are get a cheaper case and a cheaper CPU.
Okay, I'll follow your instructions and repost my new build in a couple hours.
Is there any bare MINIMUM to spend on a Graphics Card for a good gaming desktop?
Also, who is the best Chipset Manufacturer? AMD or Nvidia?

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Old 04-15-2011, 05:00 PM   #6
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For a gaming computer, the video card is the crucial component you DONT want to cheap out on. I'd spend at least $350 on it, but maybe thats just me
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:27 PM   #7
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Not sure if either of these are good, if they are tell me and also tell me which is better unless they both suck: newegg.com
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The 450 you linked is out of stock right now. The 1GB 460 is preferred over the 768mb version. The 460 is somewhat dated now and likely there is a better-performing card for appx the same $$$ by now, but I don't know the cards well enough to advise further.
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:47 PM   #9
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The 450 you linked is out of stock right now. The 1GB 460 is preferred over the 768mb version. The 460 is somewhat dated now and likely there is a better-performing card for appx the same $$$ by now, but I don't know the cards well enough to advise further.
I'm aware the 450 is out of stock. I'm waiting for it to be resupplied though, depending on other members of this site's thoughts

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Newegg has 26 different 1gb GTX 460's listed on their website.

For example:

Newegg.com - ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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Newegg.com - EVGA 01G-P3-1370-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

For the an nVidia video card, stick with EVGA or Asus. Both manufacturers offer excellent support for all their products. If you are debating between the 450 and 460, the 460 would be the way to go.

Current nVidia series is the 500's.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130604
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:25 PM   #11
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Compared to the GTX 460 I linked, (in the comparison) how much would the 1GB improve its performance/graphics/fps? I want to be sure I need it before spending the extra $70. Also, I can go a bit higher than my budget.

Also, once I get this GFX Card Stuff sorted out, are the rest of my components good enough for Crysis on med-high? Or should I just forget about Crysis? Also, say I go with the GTX 460 768MB should I be able to run games like Fallout: New Vegas or Far Cry 2 on med-high? Or should I go for the 1GB for those games.

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Old 04-15-2011, 08:04 PM   #12
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2 articles you should read:

Best Graphics Cards For the Money: March 2011 : March Updates

Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: March 2011 : March Updates
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:38 PM   #13
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Compared to the GTX 460 I linked, (in the comparison) how much would the 1GB improve its performance/graphics/fps? I want to be sure I need it before spending the extra $70. Also, I can go a bit higher than my budget.

Also, once I get this GFX Card Stuff sorted out, are the rest of my components good enough for Crysis on med-high? Or should I just forget about Crysis? Also, say I go with the GTX 460 768MB should I be able to run games like Fallout: New Vegas or Far Cry 2 on med-high? Or should I go for the 1GB for those games.
The only way to answer your question is maybe, it depends on what resolution you will be gaming at. What resolution is your monitor? A GTX 460 will not run crysis maxed out at 1080 resolution, it will play it almost maxed out but not quiet. Stay away from the 768mb card it is not worth the money, get the 1gb card and enjoy your graphics but don't expect to max out every game.

GeForce.com - Get the Most Out of Your GPU
Pick the card you are interested in and then go look at the games you will be playing, find the resolution closest to the one you will be using and it will give you a rough estimate on the FPS to expect. If its below 30 FPS then its not really playable.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:24 PM   #14
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For a couple months I'll be stuck on a 1024x768 for a couple months but will probably upgrade to a 1366x768 (I know it isn't amazing but I'm on a limited budget as you may remember)
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Old 04-16-2011, 02:35 AM   #15
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So here's what I think will be my final build:

Case: GIGABYTE gz-ph2a3 Black SGCC ATX Mid Tower: $35
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE gz-ph2a3 Black SGCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Power Supply: CORSAIR 650W ATX12V: $90
Newegg.com - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
Motherboard: ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G: $80
Newegg.com - ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz: $140
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM: $60
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800): $50
Newegg.com - CORSAIR Vengeance 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9B
Optical Drive: LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive – OEM: $19
Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive - CD / DVD Burners
Graphics Card: ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB: $210 ($180 rebate)
Newegg.com - ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

On a 1024x768 and later, a 1366x768 monitor
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That motherboard is a DDR2 motherboard, not DDR3. I'd recommend you get a DDR3 board because DDR3 is half the price of DDR2. 2 things you shouldn't cheap out on - the motherboard and the power supply. You have the power supply covered.

Also, with an AMD you don't need the 1600 Vengeance - standard 1333 XMS3 is all you need.

If you get a board with SATA 6.0 capability, get the SATA 6.0 version of the hard drive.
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So which of these RAM Drives should I get? Newegg.com - RAM Drive Comparison
And this new Motherboard: Newegg.com - ASUS M4A78LT-M AM3 AMD 760G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
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Neither. Get a 2gb x2 dual channel kit.
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What about the motherboard?
And this RAM Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145252
But why go down to the 4GB RAM?

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Newegg.com - A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH

That is a 2gb x2 dual channel kit which is 4gb total.
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Final Build

Case: GIGABYTE gz-ph2a3 Black SGCC ATX Mid Tower: $35 (with shipping)
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE gz-ph2a3 Black SGCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Power Supply: CORSAIR 650W ATX12V: $90
Newegg.com - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
Motherboard: ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G: $70
Newegg.com - ASUS M4A78LT-M AM3 AMD 760G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz: $140
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM: $60
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
RAM: A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666): $44
Newegg.com - A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH
Optical Drive: LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive – OEM: $25
Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive - CD / DVD Burners
Graphics Card: ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB: $210 ($180 rebate)
Newegg.com - ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders: $100

$774
$744 if I get rebate on gfx card

Want to run games like Crysis or Fallout New Vegas (preferably maxed out) at 30 fps.

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Old 04-23-2011, 05:13 AM   #22
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Just learned my budget may be higher so I guess, I'm gonna be working on making a better build sometime in the future.
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