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Old 05-01-2011, 04:46 AM   #1
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I won a Gaming PC help???

Hey, so I actually, just received my gaming PC I won (despite previous posts here about buying one myself). So, I just saved around $1000+ by just making a video . It's brand new, and all the parts were configured by experts, but I have a couple questions about upgrades which I have no clue if they're necessary or not.

PC as it stands (well sits really :3)
CPU: i7 2600k
Mobo: AsRock Fatal1ty P67 Pro
Ram: 4GB of corsair dominator
GPU: MSI GTX560Ti Twin Frozr Two
HD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Green
SSD: Sanforce 60GB
PSU: Mushkin 700Watt 80+ Bronze
Fan: Corsair A70
Case: CM Storm Sniper

So heres what I'd like to do w/ it, as I have money to spend, but would like to save some for other stuff.
I would like to upgrade to two GPU's almost certainly.
Upgrade the ram to atleast 8 if not 12 GB.
I would assume that PSU is pretty ****, so I'm thinking I'll get a Corsair TX 850, or something better. I don't know how much power this is going to take, but I'm thinking probably a considerable amount.
Get a different motherboard if this one isn't actually good.
Another hard drive.
Another SSD for my windows.
I WILL be overclocking the CPU.
Possibly watercooling or GPU cooling
*Suggest anything and everything you think I should do for upgrades outside of these as well w/ why I should*

So this leads to some questions I have:
Can I SLI two different GPU's by Nvidia at the same time (a 560 ti and a 570 or something different)
Can I do the question above but with an ATI card?
Can I run two different ram GB types on the same mobo? (like I'll have 2x2 and then a 4x2)
Can I run two different models of ram at the same time? (2x2 dominator 4x2 or 2x2 of vengeance)
How much power should I be getting for dual 6970's/6970 and 560/560's in the future and more RAM/better mobo possibly/12 GB of ram? (Everyone says always go w/ corsair so that's going to be my choice)
Does this motherboard support 16x crossfire or the equivalent of that for 560's (6970/560 crossfire/sli)? If so is this motherboard actually good and does it support all of the things I want in it?
Since I'll be overclocking is this motherboard/everything else I plan to and already have good for that?
What should I do for GPU cooling/watercooling (for cpu) (What unit should I use for either of these)

Please answer this out of any questions: What mouse and keyboard should I get if I'm looking to play FPS (games like CoD and battlefield) and some others a bit (starcraft 2)? I'm thinking razer deathadder black edition and the Logitech G110 but I'm not sure whats better than that (I don't want a mouse w/ a ton of buttons on it like the naga). Also for the keyboard, I'm assuming if I don't run a server I don't have much use for an lcd screen on top of it?

Computers confuse me

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Old 05-01-2011, 07:06 AM   #2
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As configured you have a good comp, though you may want to increase the ram later.
Don't over clock either until you have some idea of it's basic performance.

In short , find out what you've got.
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Old 05-01-2011, 07:38 AM   #3
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SLI FAQ

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Can I mix and match graphics cards that have different GPUs?
No. For example, an XXXGT cannot be paired with a XXXGTX in an SLI configuration.

Can I mix and match graphics cards from different manufacturers?
Using 180 or later graphics drivers, NVIDIA graphics cards from different manufacturers can be used together in an SLI configuration. For example, a GeForce XXXGT from manufacturer ABC can be matched with a GeForce XXXGT from manufacturer XYZ.

Can I mix and match graphics cards is one of them is overclocked by the manufacturer?
Yes. A GeForce XXXX GTX that is overclocked can be mixed with a standard clocked GeForce XXXX GTX.

Can I mix and match graphics cards with different sizes of memory?
No. For example, an XXXGT 512MB cannot be paired with a XXXGT 1GB in an SLI configuration.
You can Crossfire 2 different cards, as long as the first 2 digits are the same (i.e. a 6970 with a 6950) but it will only run like a pair of the lowest rated card.

You can mix ram speeds and sizes as long as you maintain matched pairs. However, this is not always stable.

Mushkin has not submitted that PSU to Nvidia or AMD for certification, so I can't really tell you how it would handle multiple GPU's.

Your motherboard does not support x16/x16 - but it does support x8/x8. The only P67's that support x16/x16 have the NF200 bridge chip.

I don't trust Asrock boards, but that board, other than for a high DOA rate, is getting good reviews.
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Old 05-01-2011, 04:57 PM   #4
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Quick version (questions):
Do both the Sabertooth and the P8P67 Pro support x16/x16?
Any suggestions besides the HAF for a fulltower gaming-esque case that will fit water cooling? I just can't stand the HAF's looks.
Is the H70 a good water cooler? Is there much increase from building my own water cooler?
How much of a performance boost will I get from a 6970 versus a 560frozr two? What about when Crossfired vs SLI?
What are your suggestions for Ram and GPU cooling?

Long Version:
Ok, well. The only two games I have currently are CoD4 and CSS, thus I don't REALLY have a test for graphics however, I'm thinking I'll upgrade to either 8 or 12 GB of Corsair Vengeance, and sell the dominator.

There isn't a worry about DOA on the motherboard, as they have tested the computer before sending it off to me. But I think I'm going to upgrade to a P8P67 Pro or an Asus Sabertooth, although I can't decide based off of the websites (I have very little clue as to what much of this stuff means). That's because I want x16/x16 capabilities.

I'm undecided on whether to sell the 560 and buy a 6970 (6950 flashed)/which will eventually or now be crossfired, or just to SLI the 560's.

Also, I'm looking to keep this system for a while, so I'm thinking that I might sell this case and look for a full tower. Then, with the full tower, I'm thinking I'll get the Corsair H70 water cooler for when I want to overclock.

I'm undecided about what to do for a water cooling system, because I'm not looking for insane-best possible performance but very very good performance so I don't really want to spend the money buying the parts. Although I'm sure its satisfying to put together one's own system.

Also, I'm looking to cool the ram and the GPU's, and don't know what I should do for that.
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Old 05-01-2011, 05:33 PM   #5
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1. No, you have to get the WS Revolution or other board with a NF200 bridge to support x16/x16.

2. Best Graphics Cards For The Money: April 2011 : April Updates

3. Best results are with exactly matched ram - which you can't do with 12gb.
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Congrats on winning a computer. I guess you can't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who are the experts that decided on the brands?

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Congrats on winning a computer. I guess you can't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who are the experts that decided on the brands?

Enjoy!
They didn't pick the brands (they know better than that mobo :P) it's a youtube channel that makes tech tips. They build computers for people in their office and since they hit 50k they did a contest, and used parts that they use in their build to build a medium range gaming PC.
The experts are the ones who build the PC's :P
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1. No, you have to get the WS Revolution or other board with a NF200 bridge to support x16/x16.

3. Best results are with exactly matched ram - which you can't do with 12gb.
So does x16 yield the best results for dual 6970's? or can I have a different kind of x?

Ok, well I'm thinking I'll go w/ 8Gb of Corsair Dominator or Vengeance (I'll try to sell dominator).
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X8/X8 will work, but it looks like you want to get every last bit of performance out of this thing. I honestly don't know how much difference it would make. You could always try it in the Asrock first.

You could always get another identical 2x2 kit and add it.
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